Iyanla, Fix Me Posted January 2 Posted January 2 Sad, Ivy League institutions will try to use this as an excuse to have less black/female leadership in the future 3
AmericanIdol Posted January 2 Posted January 2 Very very good, she should have been FIRED weeks ago. 9 5
Archetype Posted January 2 Posted January 2 7 minutes ago, Iyanla, Fix Me said: Sad, Ivy League institutions will try to use this as an excuse to have less black/female leadership in the future What does fumbling your response multiple times to genocide and antisemitism, being incapable of giving coherent responses at a congressional hearing (she was publicly mocked for this across the world), and being caught on several counts of plagiarism (a serious violation that Harvard students are suspended for) have to do with the color of her skin? Less than a year into her presidency and she already has a worse reputation than most tenured professors. 7 1 3
Dr. Alexander Posted January 2 Posted January 2 Oh no. The first Black president of the school gone in a flash. It’s even worse with her having the shortest tenure in the history of the school. How did she f- this up?
ATRL Moderator Tsareena Posted January 2 ATRL Moderator Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, Archetype said: What does fumbling your response multiple times to genocide and antisemitism, being incapable of giving coherent responses at a congressional hearing (she was publicly mocked for this across the world), and being caught on several counts of plagiarism (a serious violation that Harvard students are suspended for) have to do with the color of her skin? Less than a year into her presidency and she already has a worse reputation than most tenured professors. you can see the comments in the article for yourself calling her a diversity hire and stuff 3
Communion Posted January 2 Posted January 2 Anyone happy about this is either a far-right nazi who saw this as a culture war issue and inherently viewed her as unqualified because she wad black or is a far-right Zionist who supports the genocide of the Palestinians by Israel. 2 10 4 14
Popular Post Gelato Posted January 2 Popular Post Posted January 2 I think you can hold the view that this is sad and a setback while also acknowledging that her position was untenable and she might not have been the right person for the job. I'm certainly no defender of Israel but words matter when you're a leader. When you're communicating on a subject like anti-Semitism, you need to be unequivocal in your condemnation. I'm sure there are plenty of other women, African Americans, and African American women who could do this job better than she did, and I hope they get the chance. 14 7 1
Archetype Posted January 2 Posted January 2 26 minutes ago, Communion said: Anyone happy about this is either a far-right nazi who saw this as a culture war issue and inherently viewed her as unqualified because she wad black or is a far-right Zionist who supports the genocide of the Palestinians by Israel. What about the third group that doesn’t want school presidents to get away with violations that their own students regularly get suspended for? Most schools won’t even consider a candidate for presidency if they have marks like that on their permanent record. Why do you think she should be allowed to get away with it while her students can’t? It seems ridiculous to us outside of academia, but it’s sort of like an academic death sentence if you are caught doing it multiple times. 8 1
Mezik Posted January 2 Posted January 2 I hope Harvard and all these other 'elite' schools do the same with firing all the Pro-Israel professors who are happily calling out for the active genocide being committed against Palestine. It's terrifying free speech is only allowed if it's talking about Israel in a positive remark. 1 1
Communion Posted January 2 Posted January 2 21 minutes ago, Archetype said: What about the third group that doesn’t want school presidents to get away with violations that their own students regularly get suspended for? This has nothing to do with fuzzy citations given that Gay submitted her work in question for review and correction to Harvard's board. It would - at best - be a social faux pas and passing embarrassment if there was no political intent happening. But this isn't an issue because of nuance over how to properly cite in academic texts (which to make clear this was and not about clear-cut plagiarism given that the vast majority of examples read like 'yes, the author was cited by name in the passage and their work is listed in the footnote but sentence 12 on page 34 need an additional set.of quotations'). This has become a large media circus because of far-right news outlets viewing her as a symbol of DEI policies and initiatives (you can guess why) while Zionists demand she be fired not dissavowing anti-genocide protestors who support Palestine. 1 4 1
ClashAndBurn Posted January 2 Posted January 2 Zionist liberals complaining about plagiarism when their own current genocide-supporting president literally had to bow out of the 1988 Democrat Primary for… plagiarism? This has to be badly-written television, because the script couldn’t possibly be any worse than this 2 1
If U Seek Amy Posted January 2 Posted January 2 What a shame. Hopefully she learns and grows from this 1
galomika Posted January 2 Posted January 2 It's giving Principal Ava energy, but with none the fun. 1 1
Archetype Posted January 2 Posted January 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, Communion said: Gay submitted her work in question for review and correction to Harvard's board. It would - at best - be a social faux pas and passing embarrassment Except Harvard suspends students for forgetting quotations and “accidental” missed citations, they do it every year, even suspending seniors with prior good academic standing and are forced to wait another year to graduate with that permanently on their academic record. So once again, why should the president of a school be treated any differently? If you want to talk about the social aspect of this, Gay’s remarks about Palestine and Palestinians were embarrassingly short of what she should have said, as was her inability to condemn antisemitism. As an educator, it is her job to protect all students, and she embarrassed Harvard during the most opportune time to set the record straight. Once again, not presidential behavior. Edited January 2 by Archetype 4 1
TiaTamera Posted January 2 Posted January 2 3 hours ago, Archetype said: What does fumbling your response multiple times to genocide and antisemitism, being incapable of giving coherent responses at a congressional hearing (she was publicly mocked for this across the world), and being caught on several counts of plagiarism (a serious violation that Harvard students are suspended for) have to do with the color of her skin? Less than a year into her presidency and she already has a worse reputation than most tenured professors. Because us Black people do not have the privilege of individuality. What looks bad for one looks bad on all of us whether we like it or not, whether you as an individual hold negative actions of one Black person against other Black people or not. White men who are literal mass murders get called “troubled souls” and “lone wolf”. There’s no such this as the saying “angry white woman” just “angry Black woman”. They get called “Karen” which OMITS the connection of white womanhood to anger and now we’re at a point where “Karen” is used on nonwhite women. I’ve even seen men get called Karens. Only Black women have a negative connotation that affects solely Black women. Even murderous white women get to retain their individuality. You think white men have a hard time getting a job because of Adam Lanza? You think white women have a hard time getting a job because of Casey Anthony? 2
TiaTamera Posted January 2 Posted January 2 3 hours ago, Gelato said: I think you can hold the view that this is sad and a setback while also acknowledging that her position was untenable and she might not have been the right person for the job. I'm certainly no defender of Israel but words matter when you're a leader. When you're communicating on a subject like anti-Semitism, you need to be unequivocal in your condemnation. I'm sure there are plenty of other women, African Americans, and African American women who could do this job better than she did, and I hope they get the chance. They won’t, but anyways I don’t know what happened. What did she say that was antisemitic? Is she just pro-Palestine and people want to label it antisemitism?
Zefierce Posted January 2 Posted January 2 30 minutes ago, TiaTamera said: They won’t, but anyways I don’t know what happened. What did she say that was antisemitic? Is she just pro-Palestine and people want to label it antisemitism? She got asked if calling for the genocide of Jews was against Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment she said "it depends on the context". She was probably trying to be careful with how she responded, but it came out looking... not good.
Communion Posted January 2 Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, Zefierce said: She got asked if calling for the genocide of Jews was against Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment she said "it depends on the context". She was probably trying to be careful with how she responded, but it came out looking... not good. 1 hour ago, Archetype said: If you want to talk about the social aspect of this, Gay’s remarks about Palestine and Palestinians were embarrassingly short of what she should have said I mean, yes, it literally depends on the context. If you erroneously believe supporting Palestine and chants like "Free Palestine" denote a desire for genocide against Jews, you're not only antisemitic by conflating Israel with Jewish people but actively dabbling in far-right culture wars, and any concern you have that frames such chants as a form of antisemitic harassment towards Jewish students should be dismissed. You in the general sense, of course, not either of you specifically. Her answer was bad because she *fell* for a right-wing trap and didn't go further in calling out the bad faith character of the question. Not because the right-wing trap and bad faith questioning had any merit to it. There is no evidence or data showing some phenomena of Jewish American students feeling in danger on college campuses, let alone *because* of left-wing or pro-Palestine groups. In fact, the majority of actual Jewish American students and young people do not view antisemitism in America as pressing as an issue as anti-black racism or Islamophobia 3 2 4
playboi Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 4 hours ago, Caesar said: The people in here celebrating this Edited January 3 by playboi 2 1 3
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