fan base K-Pop Thread: Taeyeon Sick of SM, Blasts Their Mismanagement

[Save-Me-Oprah]

 

 

[Windy Day]

35 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

?? performing on domes has  standards now?  

 

 

people are paying to see their artists for different reasons, hope that helps 

some artists are not fit for stadium shows due to the lack of experience / stage presence. i've seen both aespa and red velvet in similar settings and aespa's stage presence was 1000 times bigger than when i saw red velvet who basically just stood there most of the time and missed the cue when the songs started  i still love red velvet which is why i saw them more than once, but i don't think they're capable of commanding the stage of such a huge venue on their own. and it's okay! not every artist have to perform in mega venues

 

7 minutes ago, Xalric said:

It's because they lack experience at actual concert. 

i agree and i think you're right. it's crazy because they have amazing vocals and amazing songs... but they just don't know what to do on stage most of the time

 

[Odette Violet]

8 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

some artists are not fit for stadium shows due to the lack of experience / stage presence. i've seen both aespa and red velvet in similar settings and aespa's stage presence was 1000 times bigger than when i saw red velvet who basically just stood there most of the time and missed the cue when the songs started  i still love red velvet which is why i saw them more than once, but i don't think they're capable of commanding the stage of such a huge venue on their own. and it's okay! not every artist have to perform in mega venues

 

i agree and i think you're right. it's crazy because they have amazing vocals and amazing songs... but they just don't know what to do on stage most of the time

 

again since when doing domes have specific standards on performing? 

 

like we literally just have the biggest tour of the century by an artist who have none of this things you mentioned   

 

at the end of the day it's going to be about music and Red Velvet won't certainly embarrass in that aspect + immaculate vocals  

Edited November 9 by Odette Violet

[Red Velvet]

1 hour ago, Xalric said:

It's not that they didn't care but more to the fact they f*cked up Red Velvet from day 1... Cause what do you mean they had a Japanese Boycott at day 1 of their debut, because of SM Entertainment's incompetence.

 

 

SM gave up on them in Japan after this 

 

It was 4 years after they decided to release a Japanese original song and named it "HASHTAG" cookiejar

[Windy Day]

47 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

again since when doing domes have specific standards on performing? 

 

like we literally just have the biggest tour of the century by an artist who have none of this things you mentioned   

 

at the end of the day it's going to be about music and Red Velvet won't certainly embarrass in that aspect + immaculate vocals  

well to answer your question, red velvet doesn't have the fanbase of the artist you hinted at so there's that  

 

and if i'm guessing that artist right, she's also getting dragged for her stage presence so 

[Windy Day]

39 minutes ago, Red Velvet said:

SM gave up on them in Japan after this 

 

It was 4 years after they decided to release a Japanese original song and named it "HASHTAG" cookiejar

 

this bop 

 

[rhaenyra]

1 hour ago, Save-Me-Oprah said:

Is it, though? An album's sales generally has nothing to do with its quality.

 

Born Stink could be certified quadruple diamond and it'd still be full of stale Teddy tracks from 2016. Sales don't change that.

 

Personal preferences are a thing, doesn't matter if 99 people in a room hate it, but even if 1 did that's all that counts

 

It still doesn't erase the impact the group/their music left behind, while others only wish to surpass at least even a month's worth of their legacy

 

True, sales aren't indicative of that but it's a great cherry on top of an already outstanding achievement 

 

Edited November 9 by rhaenyra

[Sheep]

aespa 💅✨ and Red Velvet 👑🌟 are the ONLY 🗣️🔥 active groups 🏆 that matter right now 🔥💖. The rest? LMAO, stay mad 😭💀💅. Blackpink 💥? Overhyped 🙄🤚💯 and disbanded 💀👋. IVE 💥? Bland 🤐💤 and trying too hard 🥱🍓. The others? Just copying 🖤📸 what these QUEENS 🤖🍭🖥️👠already did better 🔥💫✨💥💥💥💥. Get in line 🚶‍♀️🚶‍♂️, nugus 🥱💀💥. aespa 💅🎤 and Red Velvet 👑🎶 are the REAL game-changers 🏆🌍 while you're out here looking like a clown 🤡🎪👀. Stay mad babes 😘💋👑💥💥💥💥💥.

 

Edited November 9 by Sheep

[Odette Violet]

18 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

well to answer your question, red velvet doesn't have the fanbase of the artist you hinted at so there's that  

 

  if you could've just simply said that instead of going off with their stage presence that has absolutely nothing to do with it. 

 

 

That said Tokyo Dome have lost it's prestige and meaning over the years whilst Red Velvet has built their legacy and have earned their rightful place in Korean music with or without Tokyo Dome so there's that    

 

Edited November 9 by Odette Violet

[Xalric]

 

Not but Ailee version of Fearless kinda HITS 

[Britney Jean]

 

The best she ever looked tbh, so pretty and gorgeous 

[K$Ellie]

aespa is kind of the best girl group of all time when you think about it

[harrythevifan]

3 minutes ago, Britney Jean said:

The best she ever looked tbh, so pretty and gorgeous 

It's gotta be the hair.

 

Yesterday was more classy.  Compared to those tactical diaper shorts.

 

[Windy Day]

1 hour ago, Odette Violet said:

  if you could've just simply said that instead of going off with their stage presence that has absolutely nothing to do with it. 

 

 

That said Tokyo Dome have lost it's prestige and meaning over the years whilst Red Velvet has built their legacy and have earned their rightful place in Korean music with or without Tokyo Dome so there's that    

 

i can talk about their stage presence and i didn't say anything wrong. of course they can go and headline the tokyo dome if they have enough fans, just like i can say that their level of stage presence is not fit for such a big stage. i don't understand why you're so bothered every time someone make a slightly negative comment on the idols you like lol especially since i've seen red velvet in concert multiple times and felt like they couldn't command the stage the same way as their peers or even juniors and i can make constructive criticism about that and about one of my favorite kpop group ever without being biased. it still doesn't take away the fact that they're one of the most talented group in kpop and have a better discography than the majority of the groups lol

[Windy Day]

30 minutes ago, K$Ellie said:

aespa is kind of the best girl group of all time when you think about it

the way they literally have everything for themselves except good albums 

[Windy Day]

 

f(mothers) have been trending all day yesterday in korea. hopping to see this serve at SM's concert 

 

[Odette Violet]

15 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

i can talk about their stage presence and i didn't say anything wrong. of course they can go and headline the tokyo dome if they have enough fans, just like i can say that their level of stage presence is not fit for such a big stage. i don't understand why you're so bothered every time someone make a slightly negative comment on the idols you like lol especially since i've seen red velvet in concert multiple times and felt like they couldn't command the stage the same way as their peers or even juniors and i can make constructive criticism about that and about one of my favorite kpop group ever without being biased. it still doesn't take away the fact that they're one of the most talented group in kpop and have a better discography than the majority of the groups lol

I need you to quote the times where I was bothered by anyone attacking my faves 

 

Idc if you've seen Red Velvet a couple of times, neither I was asking nor interested  I was simply pointing out the fact they are mismanaged which kinda don't warrants your response about their stage presence like those wasn't even a question  

 

 

If you want to talk about their stage presence or your concert experience go ahead but don't quote me  for it bc that wasn't my point at all hope that helps 

 

Edited November 9 by Odette Violet

[K$Ellie]

12 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

the way they literally have everything for themselves except good albums 

Savage, My World, Whiplash and 70% of Armageddon tho 

[Windy Day]

26 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

I need you to quote the times where I was bothered by anyone attacking my faves 

 

Idc if you've seen Red Velvet a couple of times, neither I was asking nor interested  I was simply pointing out the fact they are mismanaged which kinda don't warrants your response about their stage presence like those wasn't even a question  

 

 

If you want to talk about their stage presence or your concert experience go ahead but don't quote me  for it bc that wasn't my point at all hope that helps 

 

you're genuinely corny and weird 

[Windy Day]

23 minutes ago, K$Ellie said:

Savage, My World, Whiplash and 70% of Armageddon tho 

whiplash (the album) sucks 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[Odette Violet]

1 minute ago, Windy Day said:

you're genuinely corny and weird 

Right back at you  

 

next time don't @ me 

 

Imma need to update my ignore list 

[Windy Day]

Just now, Odette Violet said:

Right back at you  

 

next time don't @ me 

 

Imma need to update my ignore list 

being corny and defensive because i expressed my thought by quoting you lmfao

 

never mind, next time i'll just quote someone who isn't a parasocial freak

[Odette Violet]

Just now, Windy Day said:

being corny and defensive because i expressed my thought by quoting you lmfao

 

never mind, next time i'll just quote someone who isn't a parasocial freak

dn't throw stones when you live in glass houses yourself, bye 

[Windy Day]

can we discuss how this thread became **** because you literally cannot have a discussion with half of the members on here because they're terminally parasocial? 😭

[oceans]

31 minutes ago, K$Ellie said:

70% of Armageddon tho