fan base K-Pop Thread: Taeyeon Sick of SM, Blasts Their Mismanagement

[katyberry]

1 minute ago, Mattheo said:

it exploded like every sajaegi song did, shaun and nilo and many others had the same too after they manipulated the charts

their follow up songs had 0 hype and charted very low initially (just like tws rn) which translates to how the public actually cared about them

nope, it slowly went mega viral on social media and everywhere within 2 months. Even if you take away the four main kcharts, it also topped apple music korea, spotify korea and even youtube music (which is the biggest streaming platform in that country). There is not a single chart it didn't go top 2 or 3 on. In reality, the song was inescapable, meanwhile, the only place calling them frauds is korean forums like theqoo which are notoriously run by SM stans or random people like Emily from Idaho claiming they're making zero noise. As we've seen  multiple times, you don't need a huge fandom or being famous like Eunwoo to chart. The only thing needed is a viral song that the GP latches onto. 

 

As for the members, they were going on different platforms like youtube shorts and reels where those were getting 100-400k likes. One of the members (Shinyu) was also #3 on brand reputation and even has the most viewed fancams of 5th gen bg members this year.  Pledis for some reason refused to promote them anywhere outside of music shows.

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Regarding their latest songs, SN has been slowly going up on the charts as promotions have been happening and this time around, pledis is pushing them on many different shows. The song is not as viral as plot twist which is normal cause not everyone can re-create something like that but it def has the chance to go top 20, 15 or even 10...who knows. As for their pre-release, yeah it tanked but it also charted higher than many other boy groups could wish for. It's not unusual for a pre-release to do horribly as this has happened to many huge groups and soloists before (even in the big 4). 

 

 

[katyberry]

It's okay for multiple boy groups to be successful at once & one charting high isn't gonna take success away from the other ones 

[Mattheo]

12 minutes ago, katyberry said:

nope, it slowly went mega viral on social media and everywhere within 2 months. Even if you take away the four main kcharts, it also topped apple music korea, spotify korea and even youtube music (which is the biggest streaming platform in that country). There is not a single chart it didn't go top 2 or 3 on. In reality, the song was inescapable, meanwhile, the only place calling them frauds is korean forums like theqoo which are notoriously run by SM stans or random people like Emily from Idaho claiming they're making zero noise. As we've seen  multiple times, you don't need a huge fandom or being famous like Eunwoo to chart. The only thing needed is a viral song that the GP latches onto. 

 

As for the members, they were going on different platforms like youtube shorts and reels where those were getting 100-400k likes. One of the members (Shinyu) was also #3 on brand reputation and even has the most viewed fancams of 5th gen bg members this year.  Pledis for some reason refused to promote them anywhere outside of music shows.

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Regarding their latest songs, SN has been slowly going up on the charts as promotions have been happening and this time around, pledis is pushing them on many different shows. The song is not as viral as plot twist which is normal cause not everyone can re-create something like that but it def has the chance to go top 20, 15 or even 10...who knows. As for their pre-release, yeah it tanked but it also charted higher than many other boy groups could wish for. It's not unusual for a pre-release to do horribly as this has happened to many huge groups and soloists before (even in the big 4). 

 

 

what 2 months and slowly??

 

it took the song like 2 weeks to be in the top10 of the charts

 

and in the meantime it literally had lower videos on all platforms than riize's love119 which didnt have the same success

 

 i mean yes ofc it will be a mega hit if it has been sajaegi'ed like most sajaegi songs on kcharts in 2018

their recent songs bombing immediately on release date means that public did not check or care for them personally, even if they picked up their debut song later on

 

mind you this is their last song and their pre release was a complete nonevent, for a group having one of the biggest hits this year it truly is embarrassing

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, katyberry said:

It's okay for multiple boy groups to be successful at once & one charting high isn't gonna take success away from the other ones 

mind you you were dragging and shading riize in the last few days 

 

 

[katyberry]

24 minutes ago, Mattheo said:

what 2 months and slowly??

 

it took the song like 2 weeks to be in the top10 of the charts

It reached it's peak in late March/early April

24 minutes ago, Mattheo said:

and in the meantime it literally had lower videos on all platforms than riize's love119 which didnt have the same success

As always, the main problem here to you guys is that it charted higher and has more longevity than riize. The song currently has 155k videos under its sound on reels (riize highest is 60k), 133k on youtube shorts (riize highest is 17k ), and tiktok with 55k (riize highest 35k). As you can see, it obliterated riize on video platforms and you have to keep in mind that reels + shorts are much bigger in korea than tiktok, "coincidentally" where the 2 groups have the larger gap. 

24 minutes ago, Mattheo said:

i mean yes ofc it will be a mega hit if it has been sajaegi'ed like most sajaegi songs on kcharts in 2018

their recent songs bombing immediately on release date means that public did not check or care for them personally, even if they picked up their debut song later on

 

mind you this is their last song and their pre release was a complete nonevent, for a group having one of the biggest hits this year it truly is embarrassing

So you admit it's a mega-hit but are claiming it charting high is fraud? Like I said earlier, it was high not just on the 4 main kcharts but youtube music, spotify and apple music. It's one thing to sajaegi on one platform but when it's either #1, #2 or #3 on every single one, you just have to give up and admit it's a real hit. Not only on the charts or social media, but in real life too in their own country. Also a song "bombing" upon release but slowly going up as social media interest and promotions go up is much more organic than debuting high and then going down like others. 

 

24 minutes ago, Mattheo said:

mind you you were dragging and shading riize in the last few days 

 

So it's okay for briize to drag/shade them for the past 5 months calling them frauds, cheap, walmart, etc but god forbid I share a youtube video of riize's encore

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[Xalric]

 

StayC revealed that they recorded this song back in 2022, but it had never found an album to be in, until now.

[Mattheo]

10 minutes ago, katyberry said:

It reached it's peak in late March 

As always, the main problem here to you guys is that it charted higher and has more longevity than riize. The song currently has 155k videos under its sound on reels (riize highest is 60k), 133k on youtube shorts (riize highest is 17k ), and tiktok with 55k (riize highest 35k). As you can see, it obliterated riize on video platforms and you have to keep in mind that reels + shorts are much bigger in korea than tiktok, "coincidentally" where the 2 groups have the larger gap. 

So you admit it's a mega-hit but are claiming it charting high is fraud? Like I said earlier, it was high not just on the 4 main kcharts but youtube music, spotify and apple music. It's one thing to sajaegi on one platform but when it's either #1, #2 or #3 on every single one, you just have to give up and admit it's a real hit. Not only on the charts or social media, but in real life too in their own country. Also a song "bombing" upon release but slowly going up as social media interest and promotions go up is much more organic than debuting high and then going down like others. 

 

So it's okay for briize to drag/shade them for the past 5 months calling them frauds, cheap, walmart, etc but god forbid I share a youtube video of riize's encore

are you acting dense on purpose or?

 

in the screenshot i posted it literally shows it reached its peak on the top2 in mid february  and the song being big and having a lot of videos is a natural after rising massively on the charts, that's literally how viral marketing and hits work, i literally said the same thing happened witt shaun and nilo, yes both of heir songs were national hits too but they initially started as frauds  like literally every single one of the sajaegi soloists had the same pattern before, and guess what? all of them have a national hit under their name just to be forgotten the next release, and guess what same is happening with tws now

 

 

10 minutes ago, katyberry said:

 

So you admit it's a mega-hit but are claiming it charting high is fraud? Like I said earlier, it was high not just on the 4 main kcharts but youtube music, spotify and apple music. It's one thing to sajaegi on one platform but when it's either #1, #2 or #3 on every single one, you just have to give up and admit it's a real hit. Not only on the charts or social media, but in real life too in their own country. Also a song "bombing" upon release but slowly going up as social media interest and promotions go up is much more organic than debuting high and then going down like others. 

 

 

?? initially start from release means interest and that people are anticipating them, having a national hit always resulted for groups to come back with high initial stats because the people LIKE the group AND the song, im not saying slow rise is bad, but if the group is popular as you claim then why did no one stream in the first day... it literally didnt enter ...

 

it didnt initiate from briize calling them frauds btw knetz already shared sketchy charts trend from them when the song suddenly became top3 out of nowhere when it had very regular stats on tiktok and instagram

 

 

anyways im not gonna argue about tws anymore  good luck for them ....

Edited July 5 by Mattheo

[Save-Me-Oprah]

2 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

There is a higher chance of Ryan Reynolds being Australian than Seunghan returning to RIIZE, sweatcheaks. 
 

you are so rude, and for what?

 

[Mattheo]

1 hour ago, katyberry said:

finally 

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The song kinda remind me of that 1 kdrama from 2009

[katyberry]

16 minutes ago, Mattheo said:

are you acting dense on purpose or?

okay atp ur just saying anything and hoping it sticks. The evidence/stats are right there to speak for themselves but you choose to ignore and instead continue with whatever narrative you have going on. By your logic, riize are also frauds since they had a hit with GAG but their next release didn't even enter the top 100. Also, they had a top 5 hit with Love 199 but their next release didn't even enter the top 20 of melon and instead fell down the charts. Hit → flop → "hit"...is this SM's strategy? 

 

At the end of the day, even if the 0.01% of it being fraud was true, there is no reason to be this worked up about it and go after fans just being excited about their favs. Even if they become one hit wonders (as in only one song entered the top 10) than that is okay.

[katyberry]

7 minutes ago, Mattheo said:

The song kinda remind me of that 1 kdrama from 2009

At least we can agree on one thing regarding this group 

[Save-Me-Oprah]

I have nothing against TWS but they have no flavour whatsoever, seems to be marketed only towards children.

 

Not for me. Sending positive vibes.

 

[Save-Me-Oprah]

 

oh South Korea is so doomed if Kimmy Jong Un decides to roll in anytime soon

 

[Save-Me-Oprah]

 

he looks TOO good lately

 

[BlackAura]

That nose implant has finally settled on Anton, he looks like a male Krystal.

 

[Illyana Frost]

Sumin main vocalist. Sieun who? 

 

 

[Xalric]

What is going on in that blue box... YuQi & Shuhua are LASHING OUT.

[Cheers]

Even BABYMONSTER released a better title track than ENGODPEN

[MusicFan98]

2 hours ago, katyberry said:

those knetz are just SM stans and other rival fandoms camping on korean forums. If you check korean social media, variety shows, etc, then you will see how their debut song really exploded across all ages and genders. 

Some people obsession with SM stans or SM Sheep is kinda triggering. 

 

With the way there's someone always pointing out how it is SM fault or their stans, You'd think SM and SM sheep are to blame for world poverty, lack of human rights anda wars

[Mattheo]

33 minutes ago, Save-Me-Oprah said:

 

he looks TOO good lately

 

The legend he is...

[Mattheo]

15 minutes ago, Cheers said:

Even BABYMONSTER released a better title track than ENGODPEN

Respect enhypen...

[Pluto6]

3 hours ago, Mitsuki said:

 

They definitely re-signed 

 

3 hours ago, Mitsuki said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The way it can go either way 

The MV is either saying that they are all going to renew, while celebrating and looking back at their careers during their first 7 years, and that there's way more to come 

 

Or it can be like their "Shut Down" where they are saying goodbye 

 

[the good guy_duh]

29 minutes ago, Illyana Frost said:

Sumin main vocalist. Sieun who? 

 

 

She sounds beautiful, but why is she cosplaying J with that tryhard deep autotuned voice on the first verse tho 

[Pluto6]

34 minutes ago, MusicFan98 said:

Some people obsession with SM stans or SM Sheep is kinda triggering. 

 

With the way there's someone always pointing out how it is SM fault or their stans, You'd think SM and SM sheep are to blame for world poverty, lack of human rights anda wars

Miss Berry is/was literally one of you SM sheep though? 
 

I think they're starting to realize how toxic SM stans actually can be 

 

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Is Miss @katyberry who once was a SM Sheep, starting to leave the barn and joining the HYBE Hyena herd instead? 
 

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[katyberry]

9 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

Miss Berry is/was literally one of you SM sheep though? 
 

I think they're starting to realize how toxic SM stans actually can be 

 

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Is Miss @katyberry who once was a SM Sheep, starting to leave the herd and joining the HYBE Hyena herd instead? 

Yup, these past few months have shown me how toxic sheep are and I've decided to leave the barn and move into the city with normal kpop stans. 

[Lost In Paradise]

if EXO released this the girls in here would be gagging