geniecantstophypeboy Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 20 minutes ago, sunny said: The MHJ Payola Girl relax u ere not the second coming of jesus. Sure she had asuccesfull career but u could erase her from KPOP and KPOP would have still be great, thriving and successfull... i mean girl plz! Even NEW JEANS which is her most sucessfull work they came at a time where kpop groups and especially GG'S are thriving.... Her NJ concept arent sth groundbreaking either concept wise she just had an eye for great timing. Its like when GF debuted with their nostalgia act when kpop was all about sexy and swifted the genre for a while. At least if she loses the case she can work as yaoi creator... u know for the Noonas Kpop fans' mental gymnastics to devalue and degrade the work of creative people is something else. You don't see that attitude in cinema or literature. Film directors and authors are respected and looked up to. Is it because Kpop is full of kids? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illia Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 29 minutes ago, sunny said: At least if she loses the case she can work as yaoi creator... u know for the Noonas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playboi Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 hour ago, Save-Me-Oprah said: is that user still acting like Min Heehee Jin is the second coming of Christ when she's a lot more than that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geniecantstophypeboy Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Red Hair or Blonde Hair Yuqi? VS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunny Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 40 minutes ago, geniecantstophypeboy said: Kpop fans' mental gymnastics to devalue and degrade the work of creative people is something else. You don't see that attitude in cinema or literature. Film directors and authors are respected and looked up to. Is it because Kpop is full of kids? what this has to do with the argument here? This happens everwhere! in every industry. Why do we generalise and not talk about the specific case we have here? Creative people are still workers. she wasnt an independent artirst. she works for a company. She wants her own company and because it would be hard to do it from scratch she used HYBE.... Hybe copying NJ is D move as well but at the end of the day NJ and illit are products of teh same company. U cant do anything for this. Its like how YG keeps making 2NE1 over and over again. Edited May 6 by sunny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunny Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 23 minutes ago, playboi said: when she's a lot more than that yeah she is a groomer as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geniecantstophypeboy Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, sunny said: what this has to do with the argument here? This happens everwhere! in every industry. Why do we generalise and not talk about the specific case we have here? Creative people are still workers. she wasnt an independent artirst. she works for a company. She wants her own company and because it would be hard to do it from scratch she used HYBE.... You just said Gfriend and Newjeans creative directors were irrelevant to the group success and might as well be Mcdonalds employees who got "lucky". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackAura Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 55 minutes ago, sunny said: MHJ used HYBE resources with the end goal to build her own company Hybe used MHJ creativity and name with the end goal to launch their GG lines Its simple as that. There are no sides to take here tbh at least with the info we have so far. Both parties had their own agendas and used each other to achieve their goals. Except not....... Hybe got what they wanted while MHJ is still stuck and dependant on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunny Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 7 minutes ago, geniecantstophypeboy said: You just said Gfriend and Newjeans creative directors were irrelevant to the group success and might as well be Mcdonalds employees who got "lucky". I didnt said that she got lucky i said that what she did isnt so unheard of or innovative. she was important but the article makes it seems like she is such innovator and everything on kpop is so blund without her.. well its not kpop will still make money and still have amazing groups and concepts without her as harry pointed the irony of saying kpop reharses old formulas when this is exactly what NJ DID! 7 minutes ago, BlackAura said: Except not....... Hybe got what they wanted while MHJ is still stuck and dependant on them. She got the money now, doesnt she? if she is that good she can start her own company and make another hit GG. NJ were never totally hers thats what she needs to understand. When u are funded and work for someone unfortunately u dont own the rights Edited May 6 by sunny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethereal Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 So has Sweat managed to make it to Melon Daily Chart yet? Wakeone really ruined two groups. ————————— Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playboi Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 12 minutes ago, sunny said: yeah she is a groomer as well you shouldn't be throwing around big words like that without knowing what they mean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newaespa Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 6 hours ago, Odette Violet said: their social media presence and dominance in china is unfazed despite the ongoing boycott first?! insane! I was pretty sure it will be GIDLE 4hours to aespa teaser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethereal Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Why is there this perception that MHJ is a creative visionary with original ideas? She's been called out for plagiarising from numerous Western artists and concepts. Her ideas lack originality. The people going all out for her in here 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geniecantstophypeboy Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 5 minutes ago, sunny said: I didnt said that she got lucky i said that what she did isnt so unheard of or innovative. she was important but the article makes it seems like she is such innovator and everything on kpop is so blund without her.. well its not kpop will still make money and still have amazing groups and concepts without her Without her, we would still be in fishnet hell. And that's only her most recent contribution. She was also behind Girls Generation, Shinee, F(x), Exo, Red Velvet. How is she not influential when she worked with many of the biggest idols and groups in Kpop across 3 decades? She and many other successful creative directors and producers built Kpop from the ground-up, whether you like it or not. Put some respect on their names. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geniecantstophypeboy Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 4 minutes ago, Ethereal said: Why is there this perception that MHJ is a creative visionary with original ideas? She's been called out for plagiarising from numerous Western artists and concepts. Her ideas lack originality. The people going all out for her in here She is good at her job and deliver results that people, fans and the press like. Are you implying it's a coincidence she is behind SNSD and NJ, 2 of the biggest, most decorated and most influential girl groups, and f(x) Pink Tape and Newjeans Get Up, 2 of the most critically acclaimed albums? She is that good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethereal Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Who in k-pop? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackAura Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 50 minutes ago, Ethereal said: Why is there this perception that MHJ is a creative visionary with original ideas? She's been called out for plagiarising from numerous Western artists and concepts. Her ideas lack originality. The people going all out for her in here Because there are plenty of other groups (like almost everyone) that keep copying westerm artists/styles and still fail to deliver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethereal Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 4 minutes ago, BlackAura said: Because there are plenty of other groups (like almost everyone) that keep copying westerm artists/styles and still fail to deliver. There are plenty of nugus that deliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterNavy Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 50 minutes ago, Ethereal said: Who in k-pop? sounds like a normal day in ncity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illia Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 3 hours ago, Save-Me-Oprah said: is that user still acting like Min Heehee Jin is the second coming of Christ Now I understand what people must have felt when we were circlejerking RIIZE last fall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hétérosexuelle Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 When is NewJennies official comeback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternium Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 3 minutes ago, hétérosexuelle said: When is NewJennies official comeback? May 24th. Then their Japanese debut/second comeback is June 21st. But the B-side for the Japanese debut will come out in May. After that, they'll release their album in the second half of 2024 and tour in 2025. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternium Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 19 minutes ago, Chemist said: The way they make the payola so obvious yet users here will pretend like it doesn't exist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geniecantstophypeboy Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, Eternium said: After that, they'll release their album in the second half of 2024 and tour in 2025. That was the plan before HYBE decided to destroy them. ADOR have confirmed they will go ahead with the current schedule for the next comeback, everything after June 21 is very hypothetical at the present, imo. The next 2 single albums How Sweet May 24, and Supernatural June 21 could very well be their last great projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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