poll Bigger hit: Baby One More or Blank Space

[dirrtydiana]

On 12/17/2023 at 11:18 AM, Tropez said:

Not true. 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/...Baby_One_More_Time_(song)

 

It didn’t go #1 in a lot of places. 

Is Puerto Rico a country?

and just a quick look to the link you posted, the song hit #1 in the main charts of each county. The lower positions are from sub charts in countries it hit #1

 

The record is “hit #1 in every country it charted in” not “was #1 in every single chart ever”

Edited December 18, 2023 by dirrtydiana

[Feanor]

"Blank Space" 

[Popboi.]

3 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

?

 

They’re both max martin POP songs.

it goes without saying.

 

you know today everyone aims for the #1 debut with streaming tactics, stop acting obtuse  

Blank Space had no tactics, it was even OFF streaming while we were entering the streaming era, hindering it everywhere.  Of course both songs were crafted to become huge hits, don't act like only one was (although only one was shopped around to different artists and the other was made by the artist herself).

[Tropez]

3 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Is Puerto Rico a country?

and just a quick look to the link you posted, the song hit #1 in the main charts of each county. The lower positions are from sub charts in countries it hit #1

 

The record is “hit #1 in every country it charted in” not “was #1 in every single chart ever”

Could you explain that? For instance it didn’t go #1 in Iceland. Did it not chart in Iceland? 

[Eternium]

12 hours ago, Popboi. said:

There's not a single metric BOMT is bigger than BS, not sales, streaming or radio, it's objective, not trolling or anything you're trying to deflect on. Not even on longevity, as Blank Space even managed to re-chart this year based on... her being on tour, months before the Taylor's Version dropped, a decade after the song came out

 

Take the nostalgia and stan goggles off.

The biggest metric of all-time, album sales:

 

Baby One More Time - 24,195,000

Greatest Hits: My Prerogative - 6,145,000

The Singles Collection - 1,045,000

Others - 4,000,000+

Total - 35,385,000

 

1989 - 10,655,000

1989 (TV) - 2M?

Total - Under 14M

Physical Singles:

 

…Baby One More Time - 5,330,000

 

Blank Space - 10,000

 

What was that about BOMT not outdoing Blank Space in a single metric?  

[Popboi.]

1 minute ago, Eternium said:

The biggest metric of all-time, album sales:

 

Baby One More Time - 24,195,000

Greatest Hits: My Prerogative - 6,145,000

The Singles Collection - 1,045,000

Others - 4,000,000+

Total - 35,385,000

 

1989 - 10,655,000

1989 (TV) - 2M?

Total - Under 14M

Physical Singles:

 

…Baby One More Time - 5,330,000

 

Blank Space - 10,000

 

What was that about BOMT not outdoing Blank Space in a single metric?  

The acting like BOMT is the sole reason BOMT and My Prerogative sold  if you want to compare BOMT the album to 1989 make a thread about that. Although if you want to go pure album sales, 1989 is the 5th biggest of it's decade, BOMT was not even in the top 10.

 

Adding a * to only physical singles, to completely deviate from Blank Space beating it in pure sales despite being released at the start of the streaming era.

[BrandNewBrandon]

15 hours ago, Steve Johnson said:

Nice essay.

I think the amount of downvotes you got on your post tells you everything 

[Psyduck]

Baby easily.

 

Both albums have about the same units WW.

 

But 1989 is spread between several big hits, whereas Baby was the overwhelming dominant hit from its album. Responsible for far more $$$ on its own than Blank Space was.

 

[BrandNewBrandon]

14 hours ago, Popboi. said:

There's not a single metric BOMT is bigger than BS, not sales, streaming or radio, it's objective, not trolling or anything you're trying to deflect on. Not even on longevity, as Blank Space even managed to re-chart this year based on... her being on tour, months before the Taylor's Version dropped, a decade after the song came out

 

Take the nostalgia and stan goggles off.

BOMT's sales don't incorporate how many times people listened to the song, especially when it was peaking in 1999-2000. And the next 14 years too. So those are all lost units. 

 

As to streaming, you want it to what? Out-stream a 2014 song which was still selling in 2015 (since it came out in the second half of 2014) and was still considered a new song and it was on YouTube - from which it generated units as well - all of this time and you compare it to a physical single which reached the same sales regardless? 

 

BOMT didn't have how many times fans of hers listened to it at home in her units while Taylor has with a much newer song. 

[VioletsandRoses]

4 hours ago, Popboi. said:

Blank Space had no tactics, it was even OFF streaming while we were entering the streaming era, hindering it everywhere.  Of course both songs were crafted to become huge hits, don't act like only one was (although only one was shopped around to different artists and the other was made by the artist herself).

2014 was not the streaming era. Unless you mean just YouTube. That was be 2016-forward. Blank Space did 7m digital sales WW with more than 6m of those from the Anglosphere. Just from the same year Problem, All About that Bass, Dark Horse, SIO, Uptown Funk, and on all sold 9 million and above. Physical sales sold well in Europe but low everywhere else. BOMT selling 7m is way more impressive and its WW chart peaks and year ends prove that. Taylor doesn’t have a global smash that was #1 everywhere like Bad Romanca, I Kissed A Girl, Umbrella, or Bleeding Love type smash. Those songs sold 12 million and came out in 2007/2008 when digital sales were much lower. 
 

BOMT bigger globally for sure. US is debatable. 
better- Blank Space. Much better and one of the best pop songs.

[Eternium]

11 hours ago, Popboi. said:

The acting like BOMT is the sole reason BOMT and My Prerogative sold  if you want to compare BOMT the album to 1989 make a thread about that. Although if you want to go pure album sales, 1989 is the 5th biggest of it's decade, BOMT was not even in the top 10.

 

Adding a * to only physical singles, to completely deviate from Blank Space beating it in pure sales despite being released at the start of the streaming era.

So you want to exclude album sales because other tracks help them out, but include streaming? Despite the majority of streams coming from playlisting and autoplay? Why don’t you have a problem with streams resulting from other tracks? It’s very clear you want to just dismiss album sales because you have a narrative.

 

1989 barely sold a third of what the best-selling album of its decade sold. BOMT did more than half of the best-selling album of its decade despite BOMT having much bigger competition. If you want to go by comparisons like that, BOMT tied for the #1 best-selling digital single of the 90s and #1 most streamed single of the 90s. Blank Space was nowhere near that for the 10s. Do you want to say BOMT is a bigger digital sales and streaming smash, or do you recognize how stupid comparing sales relative to their time period is?  

 

You’re the one who lied and said that Blank Space outdid Baby One More Time in every metric. You have no problem including digital sales (which started tracking 6 years after BOMT’s release) and streams (current YouTube numbers reset in 2009 and Spotify released globally in 2012). But when I point out BOMT sold 5.32M more physical copies (1.7M+ album equivalents), you want to have an asterisk?

[ReachOut]

BOMT easily, BS is a good song and one of her WW hits but BOMT is iconic

[Alexz]

On 12/17/2023 at 1:18 PM, Tropez said:

Not true. 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/...Baby_One_More_Time_(song)

 

It didn’t go #1 in a lot of places. 

BOMT was #1 in every official chart that existed back in 98/99 that was the record. 

[dirrtydiana]

14 hours ago, Tropez said:

Could you explain that? For instance it didn’t go #1 in Iceland. Did it not chart in Iceland? 

Dont know 🤷‍♀️ did you look at the source for that chart? It’s from November 1998 and the song had barely charted for 4 weeks.

 

 

14 hours ago, Popboi. said:

Blank Space had no tactics, it was even OFF streaming while we were entering the streaming era, hindering it everywhere.  Of course both songs were crafted to become huge hits, don't act like only one was (although only one was shopped around to different artists and the other was made by the artist herself).

Refraining from putting it on streaming to push physical sales was a tactic in itself. And in 2014 streaming wasn’t as dominant in the chart formula as it is today.

 

An artist having more credits on a song doesn’t make it less chart baity especially when it comes to how calculative taylor is. 

 

like I said, stop acting obtuse