discussion Unpopular gay opinions/Talks gays aren’t ready to have?

[Tropez]

3 hours ago, superben said:

Advocating that sexuality is fluid, yet insisting on the clear distinct between tops and bottoms. Especially for Asian gays.

Which reminds me. Asian guys are almost always stereotyped as submissive bottoms. Which is pretty racist. 

[Tayloroutsold]

On 12/16/2023 at 5:12 PM, BLΔCKP!NK said:

they are

No, they're not and you're aware of this... To ever try to paint it like on a general level gay men are more misogynistic than straight men is crazy. If anything, we are the victims of women's violence towards us, especially when it comes to our own families and cultural communities.  

[family.guy123]

A blood ban on MSM is an efficient way to filter out contaminated blood. It is discriminatory and is a good thing. Anybody who feels victimized by it is too sensitive. 

[Bussea]

4 hours ago, Tayloroutsold said:

No, they're not and you're aware of this... To ever try to paint it like on a general level gay men are more misogynistic than straight men is crazy. If anything, we are the victims of women's violence towards us, especially when it comes to our own families and cultural communities.  

4 months later  girl shut up 

[Tayloroutsold]

3 hours ago, BLΔCKP!NK said:

4 months later  girl shut up 

Or how about you just not make a stupid ***post like that... you millennial gays are really something else.

[Tayloroutsold]

On 5/20/2024 at 1:30 AM, family.guy123 said:

Tell that to the Queer Boys in Palestine who get beheaded for existing, as a matter of fact why don't you tell that to their mothers.

Edited May 28 by Tayloroutsold

[Totami Legend]

Sending your hole dick and ass to complete strangers is WEIRD and It should't be normalized.

Edited May 24 by Totami Legend

[Bussea]

1 hour ago, Tayloroutsold said:

Or how about you just not make a stupid ***post like that... you millennial gays are really something else.

or i can post want i want on my page through my internet, misogynist! Since you want to be a hit dog SO bad <3 be mad somewhere else bookie! have a nice day!

Edited May 20 by BLΔCKP!NK

[Tayloroutsold]

18 minutes ago, BLΔCKP!NK said:

or i can post want i want on my page through my internet, misogynist! Since you want to be a hit dog SO bad <3 be mad somewhere else bookie! have a nice day!

Is it really your internet if you're still living in your mom's basement, trying to justify homophobia from females because the only solace you've ever found in people is woman because you don't know how to find healthy relationships with men in your life? Tell me now coz then maybe we could schedule some trauma therapy for you. And trust me I get it You've been stanning female pop icons for all of your life or whateva but that does not mean that you have to justify women's violence towards people like you and I. And if you think that turning a blind eye towards woman's homophobia and violence towards queer people will make you less of a fahg then the rest of us, it wont. ❤️❤️❤️(❁´◡`❁)

[KFC]

Sending naked pictures of yourself to someone without having a conversation with them first should be illegal and it's ******* weird I'm sorry

 

You wouldn't go up to someone in a bar and just flash your cock or ******* so why is it ok over the internet

Edited May 20 by KFC

[glitch]

8 hours ago, family.guy123 said:

A blood ban on MSM is an efficient way to filter out contaminated blood. It is discriminatory and is a good thing. Anybody who feels victimized by it is too sensitive. 

This is so...  Contaminated blood is not really an issue anymore in countries where gay men are allowed to donate. They test the blood before giving it to patients. Not enough people give blood as is, reducing the donor pool causes more harm than good.

 

Not to mention the risk of HIV/syphilis and other blood bourne infections is only significantly increased when people are having anal sex, which about 25% of gay men don't even engage in. Also the prevalence of HIV is higher amongst heterosexual people than gay people in some countries now (e.g. the UK).

[Bussea]

2 hours ago, Tayloroutsold said:

Is it really your internet if you're still living in your mom's basement, trying to justify homophobia from females because the only solace you've ever found in people is woman because you don't know how to find healthy relationships with men in your life? Tell me now coz then maybe we could schedule some trauma therapy for you. And trust me I get it You've been stanning female pop icons for all of your life or whateva but that does not mean that you have to justify women's violence towards people like you and I. And if you think that turning a blind eye towards woman's homophobia and violence towards queer people will make you less of a fahg then the rest of us, it wont. ❤️❤️❤️(❁´◡`❁)

don't care, didn't read <3 thank you for giving this thread a resurgence!

[Bussea]

3 hours ago, KFC said:

Sending naked pictures of yourself to someone without having a conversation with them first should be illegal and it's ******* weird I'm sorry

 

You wouldn't go up to someone in a bar and just flash your cock or ******* so why is it ok over the internet

THIS  It's so tacky and annoying.

 

 And another thing: I hate bi men who try to approach you so aggressively and differently then they do with women . This isn't the case for all, but the majority of men that tried to talk to me would almost always think they could do the absolute bare minimum. If you're not going to try and court me the same way you would them, don't waste my time lmao

[Batsy Armada]

Everyone is deserving of respect and to be heard, not just people "you" deem attractive and want to sleep with. The arrogance and holier than thou mood is just out of control; I want to believe people grow out of that as they mature and get older.

[velocity]

6 hours ago, Tayloroutsold said:

Tell that to the Queer Boys in Palestine who get beheaded for existing, as a matter of fact why don't you tell that to their mothers.

of course women have never experienced violence at the hands of extremists

 

you are stupid af

[nostalgic]

14 hours ago, family.guy123 said:

A blood ban on MSM is an efficient way to filter out contaminated blood. It is discriminatory and is a good thing. Anybody who feels victimized by it is too sensitive. 

ATRL or Breitbart comment section? It's getting harder and harder to tell.

[Tayloroutsold]

1 hour ago, velocity said:

of course women have never experienced violence at the hands of extremists

 

you are stupid af

My work is never done chile! you old millennial gay hags really seemed to be having a hard time grasping simple concepts, but you know what I honestly don't expect you guys to be smart as you guys spend most of your time on a forums website sucking your fav pop girlies invisible cock! your stupid and pathetic af!

[family.guy123]

10 hours ago, glitch said:

This is so...  Contaminated blood is not really an issue anymore in countries where gay men are allowed to donate. They test the blood before giving it to patients. Not enough people give blood as is, reducing the donor pool causes more harm than good.

 

Not to mention the risk of HIV/syphilis and other blood bourne infections is only significantly increased when people are having anal sex, which about 25% of gay men don't even engage in. Also the prevalence of HIV is higher amongst heterosexual people than gay people in some countries now (e.g. the UK).

Banning MSM eliminates like 50% of cases and reduces donations by like a percent. I said it was efficient. There's still a non-zero chance that contaminated blood can bypass tests. 

[Ecstasy]

On 12/17/2023 at 12:00 AM, katara said:

What's point of this thread? To post all the dumb generalisations and stereotypes about "all gay people" you can think of?

 

This thread is turning into borderline homophobia just like all these kind of threads that attempt to brush a huge group of people with the same brush do.

Literally this. They say stop acting like Regina George while literally making a burn book on ATRL

[Démodé]

On 12/16/2023 at 11:55 PM, Fleahive said:

1. Masculinity isn't toxic and fems that try to paint it as toxic but don't ever go after other fems are hypocrites. When have you seen someone like James Charles go after another makeup girlie? lol they complain about no one liking them but it's clear they don't like themselves. 
 

2. Prep is the cause for the rise is antibiotic resistant diseases. Y'all have gone so far left trying destigmatize sti's that you get on prep and bareback with someone new every week. Get an sti and make it no big deal because "at least it's not hiv!" And go on a round of antibiotics multiple times a year and now you're ******. 
 

3. Heteronormativity is a buzzword used way too often by miserable chronically online gays that try hard to be different. 

 

4. Depression is at an all time high because yall have tied your soul with so many random depressed drug addicts/alcoholics with your one night stands. Having sex with strangers literally bonds you together spiritually. Thats why so many of yall only like depressing music. 
 

5. Gay men do not know how to take selfies. Dead panning your selfie camera makes you look scary and depressed not attractive. It's okay to smile. 
 

 

 

The way that no-one bothered to debunk this s**t is bothersome.

 

1) Masculinity CAN be toxic. I won't comment on the other stuff cause you clearly have no idea on issues revolving gender expression, stereotypes and gender hegemony. 

 

2) Doing prep is ok, stigmatising anyone who doesn't or won't or can't is stupid. And what's far left  about?

 

3) Heteronormativity is a reality that we all experience, the very fact that you try to appeal to "I'm not like other gays" narrative is BECAUSE of heteronormativity.

 

4) So insulting, so generalising, I can't even. 

 

5) Finally, some words you said that actually make sense.

 

On 12/16/2023 at 11:59 PM, Fleahive said:

6. The rise in everyone becoming porn stars isn't liberating and has turned so many into sex addicts. I've had to unfollow people on twitter because everything they like and share is *****graphic. How can someone interact with  that on their timeline EVERY DAY and think it's normal?

6) It can be liberating, it can be not. It depends on the platform, the ways we use them etc. You know, capitalism. 

 

On 12/17/2023 at 12:02 AM, Fleahive said:

7. Children don't belong at pride. Too many adults have turned it into a sex parade. I cringe every time I see a kid in the audience. 
 

8. Cruising is outdated and trashy. 
 

9. Kink shaming is ok. 
 

7) Families should be encouraged to be at prides. That's the way to beat homophobia at its roots. Especially in bigger prides, the "sex parade" (which is mostly conservative blabber) is not occupying the whole parade. In smaller prides, there is no "sex parade" at all.

 

8 & 9) The response belongs together cause you clearly kinkshamed. Crusing is fine, it can be exciting, it can be dangerous. Above all else, it is part of our queer genealogy whether you like it or not. Don't be illiterate. And ofc kink shaming is NOT ok. Who are you to judge?

[Bussea]

55 minutes ago, Démodé said:

 

The way that no-one bothered to debunk this s**t is bothersome.

 

1) Masculinity CAN be toxic. I won't comment on the other stuff cause you clearly have no idea on issues revolving gender expression, stereotypes and gender hegemony. 

 

2) Doing prep is ok, stigmatising anyone who doesn't or won't or can't is stupid. And what's far left  about?

 

3) Heteronormativity is a reality that we all experience, the very fact that you try to appeal to "I'm not like other gays" narrative is BECAUSE of heteronormativity.

 

4) So insulting, so generalising, I can't even. 

 

5) Finally, some words you said that actually make sense.

 

6) It can be liberating, it can be not. It depends on the platform, the ways we use them etc. You know, capitalism. 

 

7) Families should be encouraged to be at prides. That's the way to beat homophobia at its roots. Especially in bigger prides, the "sex parade" (which is mostly conservative blabber) is not occupying the whole parade. In smaller prides, there is no "sex parade" at all.

 

8 & 9) The response belongs together cause you clearly kinkshamed. Crusing is fine, it can be exciting, it can be dangerous. Above all else, it is part of our queer genealogy whether you like it or not. Don't be illiterate. And ofc kink shaming is NOT ok. Who are you to judge?

people just ignore them lol they want people to engage with them so bad but the trolling is low tier lmfao

[Démodé]

1 hour ago, BLΔCKP!NK said:

people just ignore them lol they want people to engage with them so bad but the trolling is low tier lmfao

you may be actually right, but nonsense like that should not be left unanswered. a lot of gay teens or young adults or closeted adults may be browsing and accidentally fall on such hateful comments. 

[Relampago.]

On 5/20/2024 at 6:16 PM, family.guy123 said:

Banning MSM eliminates like 50% of cases and reduces donations by like a percent. I said it was efficient. There's still a non-zero chance that contaminated blood can bypass tests. 

Are you just in here peddling 4Chan-sourced talking points?  

 

Current testing for HIV positive blood reduces the risk to 1 in 8-12 million. On top of that, MSM made up about 27% of new HIV infections, while 39% were attributed to other groups. A gay monogamous man is objectively a lower risk than a sexually active heterosexual person who is not. It is not effective OR efficient to try and weed out contaminated blood with a blanket ban. This needs to be assessed on a case by case basis. Year after year, MSM make up less and less of the percentage of people making up new HIV cases, it is dangerous to assume that discriminating against MSM is an effective method of preventing contaminations when other demographics are becoming more and more at risk of infection. 

 

Medicine needs to adapt to the times rather than relying on half-a-century old policies, and people like you who push these policies as effective and common sense are not only ignorant, but are actually putting people's lives at risk who you claim to be trying to protect. Do your research and educate yourself before you speak on topics that involve people's lives.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5554671/

 

 

[Relampago.]

One thing I think is unpopular but is actually pretty factual is that bisexual people experience substantially more negative effects from discrimination than homosexual people. 

 

Not that it's the oppression olympics, but homosexual communities often refute bisexual identities or continuously refer to them as a joke or fake, while they receive similar discrimination that homosexual people do from heterosexual communities. It's actually very gross how homosexual people can treat bisexual people, denying their identity and excluding them when we've experienced similar discrimination ourselves. 

 

And the gag is, there are significantly more bisexual people in the world than homosexual, yet we put so much more emphasis on homosexual issues. Perhaps that's because of the bottom-up mentality (if homosexuality can get more rights, then bisexual people will benefit too), but if we're being discriminatory in social ways towards bisexual people, are we really bringing them up with us?

[family.guy123]

6 hours ago, Relampago. said:

Are you just in here peddling 4Chan-sourced talking points?  

 

Current testing for HIV positive blood reduces the risk to 1 in 8-12 million. On top of that, MSM made up about 27% of new HIV infections, while 39% were attributed to other groups. A gay monogamous man is objectively a lower risk than a sexually active heterosexual person who is not. It is not effective OR efficient to try and weed out contaminated blood with a blanket ban. This needs to be assessed on a case by case basis. Year after year, MSM make up less and less of the percentage of people making up new HIV cases, it is dangerous to assume that discriminating against MSM is an effective method of preventing contaminations when other demographics are becoming more and more at risk of infection. 

 

Medicine needs to adapt to the times rather than relying on half-a-century old policies, and people like you who push these policies as effective and common sense are not only ignorant, but are actually putting people's lives at risk who you claim to be trying to protect. Do your research and educate yourself before you speak on topics that involve people's lives.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5554671/

 

 

Ok so a few things: 

 

No, I've never been on 4chan. 
 

I've read through the article and have a few questions:

 

- the 39% of new infections coming from "the rest of the population" as quoted in that article. How many infections does this represent? And how big is "the rest of the population"? I have looked at the article he cited (https://www.unaids.org/sites/default/files/media_asset/Get-on-the-Fast-Track_en.pdf) and I can't find this information. More on that point, 27% + 39 % = 66%. Where's other 24 % infections coming from? Are those groups banned? What's their population size?

 

Obviously a monogamous gay man has less risk than sexually active straight person. But the amount of monogamous gay men is absolutely minuscule compared to the amount of sexually active straight people. It's about balancing risk while maintaining a sufficient blood supply. 
 

How is it dangerous? 
 

and my original comment was directed at North American blood donors. Don't think I mentioned that, if it makes a difference