Gov Hooka Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, Perth said: Yes it is, lol. Just because now there’s a progressive/socialist left side since Trump 2015 (arguably), doesn’t mean the Democratic side hasn’t historically been left leaning. The dem party platform is centrist. The presence of outlier “progressive”/“socialist” politicians in the caucus doesn’t change the party ideology. The dem party is to the right of several other left wing parties present in other Western “liberal democracies.”
GraceRandolph Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Anthinos said: Left wing parties are losing almost everywhere. The problem is deeper. If I was American I would definitely vote for Biden. It's scary that someone like Trump could win again. Imagine if the US had a left wing party 1 1
Perth Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said: The dem party platform is centrist. The presence of outlier “progressive”/“socialist” politicians in the caucus doesn’t change the party ideology. The dem party is to the right of several other left wing parties present in other Western “liberal democracies.” I’d still say it’s more left leaning. Maybe the US never had a true “left party” because those ideologies didn’t exist/weren’t popular enough until recent days?
Gov Hooka Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Perth said: I’d still say it’s more left leaning. Maybe the US never had a true “left party” because those ideologies didn’t exist/weren’t popular enough until recent days? The Dem party under FDR and even LBJ was certainly left leaning but post Reagan, that definitely isn’t the case.
Miracle Whip Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Perth said: Yes it is, lol. Just because now there’s a progressive/socialist left side since Trump 2015 (arguably), doesn’t mean the Democratic side hasn’t historically been left leaning. The democrats have never been left wing.
Perth Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, Miracle Whip said: The democrats have never been left wing. If they aren’t and Republicans are right wing while Independents are in the centre, what are they? Lol.
Kummercell Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Perth said: If they aren’t and Republicans are right wing while Independents are in the centre, what are they? Lol. They're also a right wing party. It's a stretch to even call them centrists. Dems are just slightly more to the left of any far-right party than the Republicans(though the Republicans are pretty much already a far-right party) Edited December 15, 2023 by Kummercell 1
Aaron Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 35 minutes ago, Perth said: If they aren’t and Republicans are right wing while Independents are in the centre, what are they? Lol. They’re gaslighting you so hard rn 1
Virgos Groove Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 4 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: Imagine if the US had a left wing party The CIA would have a field day, lbr 2
GraceRandolph Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 46 minutes ago, Perth said: If they aren’t and Republicans are right wing while Independents are in the centre, what are they? Lol. Republicans = Far-right, theocratic, fascistic. Independents = Varying political ideologies Democrats = Center-right political Party with some socially liberal virtue signalling
Communion Posted December 15, 2023 Author Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Perth said: If they aren’t and Republicans are right wing while Independents are in the centre, what are they? Lol. What exactly do you personally define the term "left-wing" as? Even if a country doesn't have a viable socialist party, a left-wing party would normally be at least anti-capitalist. And even if you move away from ideological labels, and focus on policy, what kind of left-wing policy do a majority of Democrats support? Socializing medicine and having the bare minimum of abolishing private insurance is easily agreed upon as a left-wing view of healthcare. Only 30% of Senate Dems are co-sponsors on Medicare For All. Only 51% of House Dems are co-sponsors on Medicare For All (with the real number lower as some co-sponsorships have been proven as false) The POTUS, the leading figure of the Democratic Party, said he would veto Medicare For All if passed by Congress. Under Biden, Democrats have actually been keeping alive a Trump-era policy that is helping to privatize and sell-off Medicare to private insurers! Democrats are quite literally famous for being proud supporters of neoliberal policy, which directly places them at direct-odds of left-wing policy. Edited December 15, 2023 by Communion 1
Aethereal Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 Yes Biden is done for good. His chances for winning are almost zero.
Vrx. Posted December 16, 2023 Posted December 16, 2023 Everyone seems to have growing disdain for him. Literally every policy decision made has been awful and it’s so fascinating to see the gov’t so actively vote against 300 million people’s interests
AMIT Posted December 16, 2023 Posted December 16, 2023 9 hours ago, Vrx. said: Everyone seems to have growing disdain for him. Literally every policy decision made has been awful and it’s so fascinating to see the gov’t so actively vote against 300 million people’s interests That is their job, republicans are just better at tricking people into voting against their own interests than democrats are. The state is there to secure the interests of the ruling class, not of the general population/working class people. 1
spree Posted December 16, 2023 Posted December 16, 2023 On 12/15/2023 at 12:05 AM, woohoo said: At this point I’m voting in hopes we get to see a 2028 election and it’s not Don Jr. in a pass the torch ceremony. I didn't think about this, but that is quite scary and real that it could happen. 1
Cesar Posted December 16, 2023 Posted December 16, 2023 this election is about to be interesting. either which way it goes to we're ****'d
barbiegrande Posted December 16, 2023 Posted December 16, 2023 It’s crazy how we’ve gotten so bad as a country that some people (myself included) are actually nostalgic for the Trump era. At least we were just embarrassing then, but now we’re embarrassing and poor 1
Vrx. Posted December 17, 2023 Posted December 17, 2023 9 hours ago, AMIT said: That is their job, republicans are just better at tricking people into voting against their own interests than democrats are. The state is there to secure the interests of the ruling class, not of the general population/working class people. Yes, but the lack of actual discernible ability to mask it has been lost across the years
AMIT Posted December 17, 2023 Posted December 17, 2023 11 hours ago, Caesar said: this election is about to be interesting. either which way it goes to we're ****'d just like every election ever then 3 hours ago, Vrx. said: Yes, but the lack of actual discernible ability to mask it has been lost across the years they still have all the power so they could not be bothered by it sadly
PoisonPill Posted December 17, 2023 Posted December 17, 2023 Even Trump being convicted won’t save the Dems. I think Desantis could also win the general.
GhostBox Posted December 17, 2023 Posted December 17, 2023 22 hours ago, barbiegrande said: It’s crazy how we’ve gotten so bad as a country that some people (myself included) are actually nostalgic for the Trump era. At least we were just embarrassing then, but now we’re embarrassing and poor Ahh yes I miss lockdowns and covid 😍
Tropez Posted December 17, 2023 Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/15/2023 at 3:49 PM, Bloodflowers. said: Madame president Marianne 2024 it is She’s pro Israel. She has no chance with the left.
heckinglovato Posted December 17, 2023 Posted December 17, 2023 46 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Ahh yes I miss lockdowns and covid 😍 Now it's genocide and covid 1
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