celeb news Pollstar: Taylor Swift is biggest dominating artist in culture since prime MJ/Madonna

[Kristie Kuwa]

Yes.

 

Can we leave her in the past now?

[Badgalbriel]

2 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Can you explain what Taylor's legacy and impact on pop music has been this far? Just in the first ten years of her career, Madonna had countless iconic moments, songs, videos, performances, outfits etc. and that's why she's able to do a 40 year retrospective tour to celebrate that legacy. Can you explain what Taylor's iconic moments are? Other than Kanye snatching the mic away.

Her entire musical output is iconic. That's all she needs. People consume her because of her lyrics and storytelling, not because of her wigs or lack of clothing. 

[FolkLover1989]

I see argument has shifted to pure albums cause they can't find anything else

 

Taylor is making more money with streaming + insane amount of pure sales than your favorite did at peak in pure sales.

 

It's easy to dismiss cause you all can't accept the fact Taylor is bigger than everyone but Madonna 

[Badgalbriel]

11 minutes ago, stevyy said:

And... Adele has had another album performing well that year as well. 

 

30 million traditional sales? I doubt that. MJ is the only artist - dead or alive - who has sold 40 million albums in a single calender year. 

Ohhhh, you're one of those users who don't consider SPS a sale. Yeah, I'm not arguing with you lol

[Kristie Kuwa]

1 minute ago, Badgalbriel said:

Her entire musical output is iconic. That's all she needs. People consume her because of her lyrics and storytelling, not because of her wigs or lack of clothing. 

Reducing THEE Madonna to wigs and clothing is a very cheap shot and doesnt give u credibility in your argumentation

[Badgalbriel]

2 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Reducing THEE Madonna to wigs and clothing is a very cheap shot and doesnt give u credibility in your argumentation

I'm not reducing THEE Madonna. I'm saying she doesn't need iconic moments when the iconic moments of her career are her music. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Badgalbriel

[Jay07]

1 minute ago, Badgalbriel said:

Her entire musical output is iconic. That's all she needs. People consume her because of her lyrics and storytelling, not because of her wigs or lack of clothing. 

If that's true, can you name her iconic songs on the level of Material Girl, Like a Prayer, Vogue, Hung Up that are known the world over and will survive the tesr of time for decades and not just streamed on a loop by her rabid base?

 

Also, it's kind of sexist to discount the most impactful female popstar ever to lack of clothing, it just showcases your insecurity because you know your fave just doesn't have the range

[Bey'Knight]

Let’s just pin this to the top of every atrl thread with Taylor’s face superimposed 

 

 

 

[Badgalbriel]

1 minute ago, Jay07 said:

and not just streamed on a loop by her rabid base?

This is the lamest attempt of a drag ever. It's not her fan base consuming her. It's the entire world. The stats on this have been posted multiple times here. She's the most consumed artist on the planet on the amount of people that listen to her. Not on total streams only, but on individuals listening to her music. 

[Jay07]

11 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

This is the lamest attempt of a drag ever. It's not her fan base consuming her. It's the entire world. The stats on this have been posted multiple times here. She's the most consumed artist on the planet on the amount of people that listen to her. Not on total streams only, but on individuals listening to her music. 

Okay so what are her iconic hits? I'm waiting. It's all deflections about consumptions and "units". What are they. What are her Material Girl, her Vogue, songs that any random person off the street would associate with her instantly if she's not a fanbase artist.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Jay07

[burninredhot]

8 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Taylor has ZERO #1 hits in most countries outside of Anglosphere and her sales in those countries aren't spectacular. She's massive but I feel like to be in Madonna's league you need to have SALES, HITS, ICONIC MOMENTS, IMPACT and Taylor checks of mostly the first box. 

 

She also doesn't have that massive of a peak compared to her peers (Adele, Lady Gaga), doesn't have the amount of smash hits (Rihanna) and acclaim/impact (Beyoncé) and that's only her own generation. 

 

And comparing her current sales to those of past MPGs is also utterly unfair considering Madonna had, for example, 100 million listeners all in all but only 20 million of them bought an album that gave her revenue and counted towards her all time sales whereas nowadays Taylor can have 100 million all in all and 99 percent of them will count as revenue and towards her overall sales. 

 

I think Taylor might be the new Mariah. For those who lived through the 2000s know that Mariah stans were claiming she was the Queen of Pop only to have people outside of Anglosphere say that Whitney, Celine and Madonna were much bigger (which they were) and Mariah fans were mocked for her being a bit "local" compared to the others. And then all those discounted singles she did to go #1 because she was (and is) very into charts. Taylor is not as big as her peers outside of Anglosphere AND she's been dragged for her discounts and remixes. Add to that, both are known to be the most skilled songwriters of their generation and known for writing their own material. Taylor could be the new Mariah. 

 

Anyone living outside of Anglosphere could tell you that Taylor is not as massive. Sure she has the biggest tour of all time but so did U2 for YEARS but that doesn't mean they were bigger than Michael Jackson and Madonna either. 

 

I don't get the constant fixation on Taylor being this or that. Especially from her fans that don't like it if you say she isn't THE biggest pop star of all time, which she is obviously not. It's incredibly arrogant. 

 

 

NURSE!! 

[Badgalbriel]

6 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Okay so what are her iconic hits? I'm waiting. It's all deflections about consumptions and "units". What are they. What are her Material Girl, her Vogue, songs that any random person off the street would associate with her instantly if she's not a fanbase artist.

Shake it Off, Blank Space, Love Story, You Belong With Me, Anti Hero, All Too Well, hell, even Cardigan...

[dman4life]

I honestly think she will be the biggest once it's all said and done

[Jay07]

37 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Shake it Off, Blank Space, Love Story, You Belong With Me, Anti Hero, All Too Well, hell, even Cardigan...

Lmao, sure ok. Look if we are going to discuss we need to have a basis of common sense. People refer to Madonna as the Material Girl to this day, 40 years later. Does anyone outside the Taylor bubble even know how Anti Hero or *chortle* All Too Well even go? Be ******* serious. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Jay07

[GreenEnvy]

11 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Lmao, sure ok. 

The 2023 Time's Person Of The Year doesn't need your validation.

[Heldenzeit]

Second to who? 

[rihxnicki]

18 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Lmao, sure ok. 

Cardigan being compared to Like A Virgin, Like A Prayer and Hung Up 

[Badgalbriel]

23 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Lmao, sure ok. Look if we are going to discuss we need to have a basis of common sense. People refer to Madonna as the Material Girl to this day, 40 years later. Does anyone outside the Taylor bubble even know how Anti Hero or *chortle* All Too Well even go? Be ******* serious. 

Yes? Of course they do. Those are huge hits. I won't bother posting stats here, otherwise you'll say "BUT STATS ARE NOT EVERYTHING!!!!". You can continue living with your feels and vibes and let's stop this discussion. 

[ugo]

I guess she is the biggest ever 

[GreenEnvy]

26 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Lmao, sure ok. Look if we are going to discuss we need to have a basis of common sense. People refer to Madonna as the Material Girl to this day, 40 years later. Does anyone outside the Taylor bubble even know how Anti Hero or *chortle* All Too Well even go? Be ******* serious. 

These Madonna hits are no Bohemian Rhapsody, stop being delusional about them.

[vale9001]

"Swift’s accomplishments as an artist—culturally, critically, and commercially—are so legion that to recount them seems almost beside the point. As a pop star, she sits in rarefied company, alongside Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, and Madonna"

 

 

 

Can we finally gets it like official or the atrelers fans of the these seasonal popstars with "beautiful beautiful wigs" have still something to say about it?

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by vale9001

[superben]

She's the only one with a chance to surpass Madonna.

[Jay07]

29 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Yes? Of course they do. Those are huge hits. I won't bother posting stats here, otherwise you'll say "BUT STATS ARE NOT EVERYTHING!!!!". You can continue living with your feels and vibes and let's stop this discussion. 

It's not feels and vibes, it's common sense. If you "feel" All too Well *chuckle* is an iconic pop hit because of "units" then you are clearly operating in bad faith or are not in touch with pop culture. I guess Butter or whatever that BTS song was is really bigger than Billie Jean.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Jay07

[Cruel Summer]

The sooner people accept it, the better! 

[Blue.]

And she will be THE biggest when it is all said and done