celeb news Pollstar: Taylor Swift is biggest dominating artist in culture since prime MJ/Madonna

[Wolf Alice]

45 minutes ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

First, if you do some research you'll find estimates suggesting that back in the 2000s, MTV reached more than 500 million TV households worldwide annually  (https://www.statista.com/statistics/350511/mtv-reach-tv-households-worldwide/). Its peak was in 2008, reaching a total of 660 million TV households.  I don't think I have to explain why even the biggest social media users can't reach this many people even today. 

This itself right here is delusion if you think social media has less reach than 600 million TVs  I'm gonna assume the rest of your big essay is equally useless for present day scenario.

[Titanbaddie]

no.

[favorite crime]

4 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

What countries? In Europe she doesn't have one album as big as Madonna's Confessions/True Blue/Like a Virgin and she literally has ZERO #1 singles outside of English-speaking countries. And then there's Latin America as well. 

 

3 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

I never said she wasn't but she's not on Adele's level (or Madonna's). 

Ijbol you're just making up ****. Adele bigger than Taylor?

 

OT: The only two acts comparable to Taylor have p*nises 

[HappierJealousy]

3 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

I never said she wasn't but she's not on Adele's level (or Madonna's). 

Who is Adele？

Is the person whose latest album is outsold by evermore?

Edited December 6, 2023 by HappierJealousy

[MatiRod]

4 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

She also doesn't have that massive of a peak compared to her peers

??????

 

She's moved like 50 million units since Midnights came out last year including opening with over 1.5 million sales twice in that 13-month span, smash after smash, is currently on literally the biggest global tour ever selling out multiple stadiums in random countries, and her movie opened to $100 million. She is omnipresent globally. In every country she goes to it's a frenzy in the media, social media, etc. In terms of actual $$ revenue it definitely is the most successful period for any artist. Yes inflation, but still.

 

Aka this 13-month stretch of her career from October 2022 to now is arguably the biggest peak of all-time for any artist ever since recorded music started.

Edited December 6, 2023 by MatiRod

[HappierJealousy]

3 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Either way, a diamond certification is a diamond certification. The fact that Madonna and Adele have multiple of them and Taylor only has one is telling. 

So according to you, the diamond certification (not any other multiple platinums for a certain reason) is the only factor to decide who is bigger and the tour box office is not  we got it

Edited December 6, 2023 by HappierJealousy

[HappierJealousy]

4 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

She also doesn't have that massive of a peak compared to her peers 

Nurse!

[Anti-Hero]

5 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Taylor has ZERO #1 hits in most countries outside of Anglosphere and her sales in those countries aren't spectacular. She's massive but I feel like to be in Madonna's league you need to have SALES, HITS, ICONIC MOMENTS, IMPACT and Taylor checks of mostly the first box. 

 

She also doesn't have that massive of a peak compared to her peers (Adele, Lady Gaga), doesn't have the amount of smash hits (Rihanna) and acclaim/impact (Beyoncé) and that's only her own generation. 

 

And comparing her current sales to those of past MPGs is also utterly unfair considering Madonna had, for example, 100 million listeners all in all but only 20 million of them bought an album that gave her revenue and counted towards her all time sales whereas nowadays Taylor can have 100 million all in all and 99 percent of them will count as revenue and towards her overall sales. 

 

I think Taylor might be the new Mariah. For those who lived through the 2000s know that Mariah stans were claiming she was the Queen of Pop only to have people outside of Anglosphere say that Whitney, Celine and Madonna were much bigger (which they were) and Mariah fans were mocked for her being a bit "local" compared to the others. And then all those discounted singles she did to go #1 because she was (and is) very into charts. Taylor is not as big as her peers outside of Anglosphere AND she's been dragged for her discounts and remixes. Add to that, both are known to be the most skilled songwriters of their generation and known for writing their own material. Taylor could be the new Mariah. 

 

Anyone living outside of Anglosphere could tell you that Taylor is not as massive. Sure she has the biggest tour of all time but so did U2 for YEARS but that doesn't mean they were bigger than Michael Jackson and Madonna either. 

 

I don't get the constant fixation on Taylor being this or that. Especially from her fans that don't like it if you say she isn't THE biggest pop star of all time, which she is obviously not. It's incredibly arrogant. 

 

 

The Essay 

[Mr.X]

Nowadays the world rewards mediocrity over quality, commerce over art, so yeah unfortunately she probably will.

[Rev8]

7 hours ago, Wolf Alice said:

Well in that case neither Adele nor Britney were that dominant in majority of Asia. They sold well in a couple of markets but they were nobodies in the most populous parts - specially Adele. 

Nobodies?
U can argue about China, since they opened their market in ~2015 (why Taylor is the biggest western artists Ever there)

but Gaga and Britney were definitely known in Asia

 

You hear how popular Mariah is there, but Avril and Britney are the other 2 girls from our time that are pretty big there (after Whitney,Madonna and Enya ofc)

at least for Avril and Britney, they were deffo known in the more populous parts, because they've also had a lot of influence there - so culturally, it definitely is a Tick

 

 

5 hours ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

But, I mean, if you want to believe that Taylor is the biggest female artist ever, go on. I don't think that your perception will change the fact that today's music industry is declining, and women like Adele or Britney were dominating a much healthier music industry back in the day.

Honestly, it's not

Music consumption is at its peak these days, it has even surpassed the 2000 peak

 

but this does prove that Adele's peak was most impressive (even tho what music she did)

for Britney's case, she was fighting with male artists - which were beating everybody up at the time - and the piracy was at its peak

 

I do think that back then, u could make money easier

but now, it's much easier to control your narrative, bring up your hype and even control chart placements and falsifying info (at least if u know the right people)

 

 

Taylor is definitely huge

and its deserved because of her huge drive and genius tactics/strategies (which others girls' lack both)

((i honestly think that if other girls were as prompt as her, the difference in success would maybe not equal but at least not as noticeable))

but I agree with you that she doesn't have the cultural impact.. that comes with the success that she has - while the others mostly did

 

Tbh it is logical for Taylor to have more success instead of cultural impact

not saying this to be shady, but she is everything that Pop may represent..she is likeable and easily digestible (which isnt always a bad thing)

she doesnt scare people, but that's exactly why she wouldn't shock anyone and in turn create changes - that is why I have always said that her impact is mostly in the musical business sphere. She may create changes for artists, how they are treated and payed..but there wont be artists that copy her style exactly like it is.

 

For Adele and Britney...people stayed for their music and to see what do next. They were interesting to a wide demographic (ofc they had their own demographies, but everyone tuned in to see what they did)

[Chartman]

In 2008 people questioned if she is bigger than Carrie Underwood. Some argued in favor of Carrie because she still had more accomplishments. Now it‘s of course undeniably Taylor.

 

In 2015 Taylor was compared with the career of Katy Perry.  Now pretty much every person would say that yes, Taylor is bigger than Katy overall.

 

In 2018 Taylor‘s career reached the spheres of Britney Spears. People argued in favor for Britney because she sold more back than. Now with the eras tour and 4 more albums out most people pick Taylor.

 

So time will add more to Taylor‘s career and we will see how she ends in 10-20 years from now.

 

 

[OnlyManInTheWorld]

Yes, she has everyone on board, even kindergarten kids.

[Jjang]

She’s already #2 tied with Celine. She will be #1 by 2025. 

[HappierJealousy]

11 hours ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

I'm a swiftie, but she's not even bigger than Gaga or Adele at their respective peaks.

 

Madonna, Whitney, Celine, Britney, Adele and Gaga were all bigger acts during their peaks.

 

As for the legacy point, I'd say that she's not near Madonna or Whitney. 

Taylor’s 2023 is definitely the biggest year for any female artist in history let’s not. And least much bigger than Adele and Gaga’s peak, cause they’re her peers and comparable.

She has the biggest selling year ever (estimated 40m+ IFPI units in a single year), biggest streaming years ever , biggest tour ever, biggest movie concert, as well as #1 radio artist and #1 physical selling artist. She scored two big hits (AH and CS) in one single year and most importantly, her whole discography is played from grocery to airport, not just one or two hits. In the US, she gets 8% support for president poll and she is not even in the competition. Just a single show up to support her boyfriend made that match broke the audience rating record. She is the first entertainer to enter the top 5 of the Forbes most powerful woman yearly list and she is competing with people like Putin and King Charles for the Times POTY title. She made more money in the past two years than her entire career before that and made her the very first billionaire who earn all the money from music industry. I lived in Australia , and literally every people I know called their mom and dad and grandparents, waiting in the queue for 8 hours, but still can’t get a single ticket to see her. And all these happened in a span of a year. She is charting 4-5 albums in the top 10 of the album chart like this is something common and only Whitney in these people you’ve mentioned had done this for two weeks after her passed away. This is historic level of peak and it’s almost horrified to witness. Let’s make statements based on the real receipts not your personal feelings or vibes, thanks

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by HappierJealousy

[Bosque]

4 hours ago, spree said:

that's a very good point. 

Anyone who isn’t on a gay pop music forum knows that U2 are on a similar level as Madonna 

[BILLIONAIRE✘BOY]

No. It's all about your legacy. She's a good in-the-moment artist but I don't see her changing pop music/making a statement on anything etc. She has a few bops tho.

[Feanor]

She's coming for first place eventually.

[alexrex]

16 hours ago, HappierJealousy said:

First of all, Gaga is not in the same league with Madonna

I just know Gaga will never break Madonna's record for the most RAZZIE awards ever 

 

Biggest pop star of all time / worst actress of all time did that 

 

OT: No, Madonna will always be the biggest pop star, even if Taylor buys her way to the top. She could never have the same impact culturally speaking. 

[stevyy]

6 hours ago, Kasix said:

I’m sorry, did you just call me daft while failing to comprehend  streams is  sales? 
 

Are you aware that the royalties 15,000 streams generated is roughly ~$10, which is the price for a CD?
 

That streams generate money and propel the industry forward, that SEAs not random numbers handed out for the fun of it?

that Taylor made $260M from streaming royalties this year alone? 

 

 

to use your “house building analogy”, you would be crying that new houses built from stones and bricks aren’t REAL houses, because they aren’t built with straws and woods.
 

Even when wood and trees have become a scarce resources, just like pure sales has completely been replaced by streams nowadays, you’re still pointing to a 50 story skyscraper that: “nope, that’s not a house”. 

you’re the daft one here.  RIAA won’t stop certifying new diamond albums,  billboard won’t stop crowning blinding lights as the biggest #1 hit,  IFPI won’t stop crowning world’s #1 artists each year because of streaming. you’re need to keep up With the times. 

spoken like a little child. 

 

You want to confirm your bias, you are not interested in having a discussion at all. 

 

There is so much going on with streaming, from programmed streams, curated playlists to free streams. 

 

Radio airplay and streaming have more in common than sales and streaming, imo. 

[stevyy]

1 hour ago, HappierJealousy said:

Taylor’s 2023 is definitely the biggest year for any female artist in history let’s not. And least much bigger than Adele and Gaga’s peak, cause they’re her peers and comparable.

sure. It's like Adele's 21 sold like 17-20 million traditional sales copies within its first 12 months. 

[Badgalbriel]

8 hours ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

I can't believe that I have to use Google for you, but here it goes: 

 

Here, you can check Taylor's Spotify stats and see the big difference between the consumption of her music in Argentina, Brazil and Mexico and the rest of Latin America: https://kworb.net/itunes/artist/taylorswift.html. 

 

And you can see here that her biggest cities are located in Mexico and Brazil, too: https://www.instagram.com/p/CjYnS2QOOlZ/?hl=es

 

But, nevertheless, stats and Spotify numbers are irrelevant for my point: even if Bad Bunny is bigger than Michael Jackson in Spotify, that doesn't mean that he is the biggest musician ever. 

 

But, I mean, if you want to believe that Taylor is the biggest female artist ever, go on. I don't think that your perception will change the fact that today's music industry is declining, and women like Adele or Britney were dominating a much healthier music industry back in the day. 

 

You do know that Taylor was literally just below Adele during her dominance and that she's still the biggest pure seller on the market right? 

[Badgalbriel]

3 minutes ago, stevyy said:

sure. It's like Adele's 21 sold like 17-20 million traditional sales copies within its first 12 months. 

And Taylor has already crossed 30 million sales just this year. 

[LOTF]

7 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Anyone living outside of Anglosphere could tell you that Taylor is not as massive. Sure she has the biggest tour of all time but so did U2 for YEARS but that doesn't mean they were bigger than Michael Jackson and Madonna either.  

 

 

You made several points but this one takes the cake. Whew, some fandoms lack critical skills so they won't understand but you actually spilled 

[stevyy]

14 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

And Taylor has already crossed 30 million sales just this year. 

And... Adele has had another album performing well that year as well. 

 

30 million traditional sales? I doubt that. MJ is the only artist - dead or alive - who has sold 40 million albums in a single calender year. 

[Jay07]

8 hours ago, WildOne said:

That’s not a given. Madonna’s legacy is incredible and she’s still able to do huge touring numbers, but she’s also been at this 25 years longer than Taylor. Taylor’s entire career is not quite 20 years yet. In 25 years, Taylor’s legacy and impact on pop music may well overshadow Madonna’s. 

Can you explain what Taylor's legacy and impact on pop music has been this far? Just in the first ten years of her career, Madonna had countless iconic moments, songs, videos, performances, outfits etc. and that's why she's able to do a 40 year retrospective tour to celebrate that legacy. Can you explain what Taylor's iconic moments are? Other than Kanye snatching the mic away.