celeb news Pollstar: Taylor Swift is biggest dominating artist in culture since prime MJ/Madonna

[unclefloprry]

what culture? 

[MotherSuperior]

What cultural significance does this boring woman have besides being famous? None of her music or music videos or live performances are nearly as memorable as Michael Jackson or Madonna's. If I wanted to see something 34 years old and stiff standing around for a few hours I'd visit Madame Tussauds.

[readytowind]

1 hour ago, MotherSuperior said:

What cultural significance does this boring woman have besides being famous? None of her music or music videos or live performances are nearly as memorable as Michael Jackson or Madonna's. If I wanted to see something 34 years old and stiff standing around for a few hours I'd visit Madame Tussauds.

Preach it. Her performance is boring as hell. Nowhere near the king and queen of pop. 

I want to advise her to get some stage presence lesson, first of all.

 

[Strawberry Bubble]

On 12/7/2023 at 10:06 PM, BrandNewBrandon said:

I'm going to reply to you even though I think potentially all of them will read this.

 

Let's just say it how it is. Those 30M units that are being pushed around that Taylor sold this year consist of three albums and different editions of said albums in different physical forms. So it's like this:

 

An Adele fan: Buys 1 copy of 21 

 

A Taylor fan: Buys one copy of Midnights, one copy of Speak Now (TV), one copy of 1989 (TV), one copy of Midnights (Moonstone Blue Edition (the standard version), one copy of Midnights in vinyl, one copy of Speak Now (TV) Violet Marbled edition on Vinyl, one copy of 1989 (TV) Rose Garden Pink edition AND streams each of the albums at least once at home.

 

Adele winds up selling 20M units in one year with mostly one copy per person, while Taylor gets to 30M units with three albums and all of its variants along with streams from home which also counts towards her overall units this year.  

 

And then they gaslight us into thinking she had 30M individual costumers in one year whereas Adele had 20M.

 

Take away her two releases and she's done 11 million with only one studio album.

 

Adele did 20M with only one studio album. 

 

And they claim Taylor's year is bigger because she inflated her sales with additional variants that they proudly admit they bought because they are dedicated fans but will exclude that detail when talking about what those 30M units actually consist of. 

 

I read through your posts and you're totally right. It's also completely bonkers they're alluding to you not being a good Taylor fan because you don't praise her 100 percent of the time and say her farts smell like roses. 

 

At this point I wouldn't blame you for jumping ship. And you know what? The fact that you say stuff how they are is what makes you a better fan than them. Don't let their negative posts ruin your enjoyment of Taylor 

 

 

I didn't see this comment, thank you! I love Taylor's music, and I'd still love her even if her career was a flop. I think that's the main difference; some people really take her success personally, lol

 

Anyway, my whole argument was about cultural predominance and popularity on their respective peaks, which is easy to prove with a quick search on Google Trends.  Commercial success, of course, is a metric where Taylor excels, but it's too reductionist to debate using money as the only factor, considering all the points we've explained. It was a little exhausting to keep repeating everything, lol. 

 

I'd love Taylor to prove me wrong one day, though. Maybe TS11 will do just that. 

 

Edited January 11 by Strawberry Bubble

[MatiRod]

I'd say Britney and Eminem are up there too circa 1999-2004 but yes Taylor is a mega megastar

[readytowind]

2 hours ago, Strawberry Bubble said:

I didn't see this comment, thank you! I love Taylor's music, and I'd still love her even if her career was a flop. I think that's the main difference; some people really take her success personally, lol

 

Anyway, my whole argument was about cultural predominance and popularity on their respective peaks, which is easy to prove with a quick search on Google Trends.  Commercial success, of course, is a metric where Taylor excels, but it's too reductionist to debate using money as the only factor, considering all the points we've explained. It was a little exhausting to keep repeating everything, lol. 

 

I'd love Taylor to prove me wrong one day, though. Maybe TS11 will do just that. 

 

Her 11 do what?? releasing and recycling a thousand versions and million albums won't change that. 

She hasn't changed anything.

Their status has been already cemented. 

Swifties wishful thinking and anxiety just continue.

[PoisonedIvy]

1 hour ago, readytowind said:

Her 11 do what?? releasing and recycling a thousand versions and million albums won't change that. 

She hasn't changed anything.

Their status has been already cemented. 

Swifties wishful thinking and anxiety just continue.

You could literally not count the TVs at all and her career would still be leaps and bounds above her peers of this century. TS11 will just add to that legacy. But you’re welcome to live in delusion

[readytowind]

4 hours ago, PoisonedIvy said:

You could literally not count the TVs at all and her career would still be leaps and bounds above her peers of this century. TS11 will just add to that legacy. But you’re welcome to live in delusion

No one remembers her songs outside the us. Not even titles. So keep wishful thinking.

[folkhoax]

She is the MJ of her generation. Her fans are teens to early 20s...and I don't really see any attrition in her fan base so far. This means she will likely get a lot of streams for at least the foreseeable 30 to 40 yrs, which should be enough time to overtake everyone.

[readytowind]

36 minutes ago, folkhoax said:

She is the MJ of her generation. Her fans are teens to early 20s...and I don't really see any attrition in her fan base so far. This means she will likely get a lot of streams for at least the foreseeable 30 to 40 yrs, which should be enough time to overtake everyone.

Tons of recycling and re-released albums. The most overrated and inflated singer ever. 

She won't get any recognition and respect outside swiftie land.

Especially outside the us, most people don't know who she is, let alone her forgettable songs. 

The most pr marketed and inflated ine ever.

No thanks.

[Popboi.]

52 minutes ago, readytowind said:

Tons of recycling and re-released albums. The most overrated and inflated singer ever. 

She won't get any recognition and respect outside swiftie land.

Especially outside the us, most people don't know who she is, let alone her forgettable songs. 

The most pr marketed and inflated ine ever.

No thanks.

Sorry to burst your bubble, she's by far the biggest star in the world right now, and one of the most acclaimed.

"outside the us, most people don't know who she is" - yes, she instantly sold out tickets in South America, Europe, Oceania and Asia for her current stadium tour cause she's "unknown", or is the most streamed artist outside US by miles despite the same argument, and also the biggest seller in pure sales in the entire western market even when removing the US.

 

Give it up.

[readytowind]

22 minutes ago, Popboi. said:

Sorry to burst your bubble, she's by far the biggest star in the world right now, and one of the most acclaimed.

"outside the us, most people don't know who she is" - yes, she instantly sold out tickets in South America, Europe, Oceania and Asia for her current stadium tour cause she's "unknown", or is the most streamed artist outside US by miles despite the same argument, and also the biggest seller in pure sales in the entire western market even when removing the US.

 

Give it up.

Winning grammys isn't acclaimed anymore. Buying More seats to get votes wins the game now.

And again, no one over 50 outside the us knows her name nor her songs.

Not even a title.

That's reality.

Don't make pr team do another gimmicks to make her look bigger than actually she is.

Recycling and rereleases of so many versions to inflate have become her best friend. 

Sorry.

That's What i see and the reality.

You won't change my experience and view.

 

So keep wishful thinking and have a good day in swiftie land.

Edited January 11 by readytowind

[Axolotl]

4 minutes ago, readytowind said:

Winning grammys isn't acclaimed anymore. Buying More seats to get votes wins the game now.

And again, no one over 50 outside the us knows her name nor her songs.

Not even a title.

That's reality.

Don't make pr team do another gimmicks to make her look bigger than actually she is.

Recycling and rereleases of so many versions to inflate have become her best friend. 

Sorry.

That's What i see and the reality.

You won't change my experience and view.

 

So keep wishful thinking and have a good day in swiftie land.

English isn't my first language but damn, yours is a mess.

[Popboi.]

41 minutes ago, readytowind said:

Winning grammys isn't acclaimed anymore. Buying More seats to get votes wins the game now.

And again, no one over 50 outside the us knows her name nor her songs.

Not even a title.

That's reality.

Don't make pr team do another gimmicks to make her look bigger than actually she is.

Recycling and rereleases of so many versions to inflate have become her best friend. 

Sorry.

That's What i see and the reality.

You won't change my experience and view.

 

So keep wishful thinking and have a good day in swiftie land.

Touch grass.

[readytowind]

54 minutes ago, Axolotl said:

English isn't my first language but damn, yours is a mess.

I don't need advice for esl.  Thanks.

Edited January 11 by readytowind

[Badgalbriel]

6 minutes ago, readytowind said:

I don't need advice for esl.  Thanks.

The desperation you're displaying here though 

[readytowind]

13 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

The desperation you're displaying here though 

Are you introducing your fellow swifties and her desperate pr team??? 

 

Too desperate to bring down the king and queen of pop all together???

Jealous of their position, huh?

They are permenently cemented. Your favorite never

Find someone else 

Edited January 11 by readytowind

[Badgalbriel]

9 minutes ago, readytowind said:

Are you introducing your fellow swifties and her desperate pr team??? 

 

Too desperate to bring down the king and queen of pop all together???

Jealous of their position, huh?

They are permenently cemented. Your favorite never

Find someone else 

Find someone else for what, sis 

[KeshaSwift]

On 12/17/2023 at 9:23 PM, readytowind said:

This. Her forgettable and disposable, quickly produced, songs are unknown to most people in the world. They can't name a single song nor doesn't even know her name. 

Her songs stay in charts a few weeks and disappeared like the wind in the spring. And gone.

People don't remember her song titles after months. Disposed 

That’s why a 10 minute 2012 album track of hers went #1 huh

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OT: she’s not comparable to them as no one is. Since they literally invented pop culture. After that all of the ground base was intact. She’s on her own lane and position, but no one can top Madonna and Michael Jackson or reach their level since they literally invented what pop stars are doing ever since. Period.

Edited January 12 by KeshaSwift

[Dante Silva]

It's undeniable, she is the biggest megastar of our time and in all likelihood she will continue to be for a decade or so. However she is not terribly interesting as a person or unique as a performer. Her qualities (like a mirror) reflect something about our society and the times we are living through and whilst it's hard to extrapolate precisely what her popularity says about western culture in 2024, pop culture commentators of the future with the distance of time (once her imperial phase is inevitably over) will have the perspective to make that observation.

 

Like Madonna and Michael Jackson, Taylor is very ambitious and driven but unlike those artists who never had to maintain or pander to a conservative core audience in the southern states and bible belt, Taylor does and she remains ultimately too scared to cut that cord and use her artistry to question cornerstones of our culture such as religion, social class, sexuality or racism etc. Perhaps her legacy lies solely in taking on the patriarchy and winning but as a body of work her back catalogue has become relatively dull and the bops simply have not been in plentiful supply since the original "1989" era ended and that's much too long a period of time to not produce big expansive pop productions capable of producing goosebumps.

 

 

Edited January 12 by Dante Silva

[Bonicap]

9 minutes ago, Dante Silva said:

It's undeniable, she is the biggest megastar of our time and in all likelihood she will continue to be for a decade or so. However she is not terribly interesting as a person or unique as a performer. Her qualities (like a mirror) reflect something about our society and the times we are living through and whilst it's hard to extrapolate precisely what her popularity says about western culture in 2024, pop culture commentators of the future with the distance of time (once her imperial phase is inevitably over) will have the perspective to make that observation.

 

Like Madonna and Michael Jackson, Taylor is very ambitious and driven but unlike those artists who never had to maintain or pander to a conservative core audience in the southern states and bible belt, Taylor does and she remains ultimately too scared to cut that cord and use her artistry to question cornerstones of our culture such as religion, social class, sexuality or racism etc. Perhaps her legacy lies solely in taking on the patriarchy and winning but as a body of work her back catalogue has become relatively dull and the bops simply have not been in plentiful supply since the original "1989" era ended and that's much too long a period of time to not produce big expansive pop productions capable of producing goosebumps.

 

 

Her legacy lies in having songs that people want to listen to, it's not that deep. Just like The Beatles are still selling albums or people are streaming Thriller in 2024. I don't know why being provocative or engaging in social issues is relevant for the matter. She is a songwriter who writes songs about her life and experiences and a lot of young women all around the world relate to them. And that's tons of people, so there lies the cultural impact. Then your considerations about her back catalogue being dull or her current music being mediocre is just your opinion about a subjective art like music is.

[RobynYoBank]

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