celeb news Pollstar: Taylor Swift is biggest dominating artist in culture since prime MJ/Madonna

[LOTF]

4 hours ago, heckinglovato said:

I wholeheartedly believe Taylor currently at her peak is the biggest artist of all time, regardless of gender.

 

Also I don't understand why Gaga is listed there. Taylor has been miles bigger than her years ago.

Taylor is having the biggest peak ever that's true but artists are not defined by one peak. I'd say Madonna overall is still bigger. You could say everything Taylor is experiencing right now, Madonna experienced too but throughout different points of her career and proportionate to the market's size of that time

[dumbsparce]

I'm inclined to say yes. Ofc Madonna is the mother of pop but from a commercial standpoint, I don't think she ever managed to have multiple albums charting regularly as if they're brand new.

[stevyy]

50 minutes ago, Shimenawa said:

Yeah but commercially it was seen as a flop. Taylor plays it safe so I don't see her having a major bomb in the next future

it was seen as a flop in the context of Madonna's own catalogue and what she usually sold. 

 

It sold 5-6 million copies in real time - which was a decent success. (akin to Evermore which didn't exactly set the charts on fire either). 

 

Erotica was more a cultural and societal statement and truly pop music transformed to art. 

 

I have a hard time thinking of any Taylor era having had the same impact. 

 

AL wasn't a flop either. Like Erotica it was regarded as a flop in the context of Madonna's own sales history. The album sold 4-5 million copies - a decent amount still, especially for someone who used her art against the bigoted political class of its year. They retaliated by blacklisting her on radio. 

[Kasix]

1 hour ago, Sergi91 said:

LOL 

 

She first needs to surpass Shania with 3 Diamond albums… 

Taylor has 2 diamond albums already and 4 diamond singles, 2 more diamond albums coming in 2-3 years and at least another diamond single 

 

all without the double-album nonsense 

[Alexz]

13 minutes ago, dumbsparce said:

I'm inclined to say yes. Ofc Madonna is the mother of pop but from a commercial standpoint, I don't think she ever managed to have multiple albums charting regularly as if they're brand new.

Because people went out to buy LPs and tapes and they already had them. Now you can stay at home and play the record over and over and over. That makes Taylor the biggest act of the streaming era but not the biggest of all times.

[dumbsparce]

10 minutes ago, Alexz said:

Because people went out to buy LPs and tapes and they already had them. Now you can stay at home and play the record over and over and over. That makes Taylor the biggest act of the streaming era but not the biggest of all times.

But that's the case for every active artist. It's like saying no one will ever be able to reach the status of the pre-digital artists just bc times have changed, which I don't think is realistic. Nowadays, people have more access to music than ever yet Taylor decimates everyone in ways that have never been done before, which I think speaks volumes.

Edited December 6, 2023 by dumbsparce

[Sergi91]

27 minutes ago, Kasix said:

 

all without the double-album nonsense 

And Shania got her first 2 Diamond albums with pure sales without the streaming nonsense 

[Kasix]

1 hour ago, Chartman said:

What is Taylor lacking behind in 2023 to reach a peak like Adele or Britney?

lol not you guys actually bought I so some delusional flopga Stan’s fantasy that Taylor 2023 isn’t bigger than flopga or flopney 
 

 

The EU leg of the eras tour will outgrossing all of them’s entire career total combined. 
 

Taylor sold 35-40 million albums worldwide this year, that’d probably half of their entire career total as well. 
 

26.1 billion Spotify streams in 1 year is probably their entire career totals combined as well. 

 

 

 

[Kasix]

5 minutes ago, Sergi91 said:

And Shania got her first 2 Diamond albums with pure sales without the streaming nonsense 

Oh I didn’t know the way music is consumed nowadays Is considered nonsense lmao 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Kasix

[Jorq]

Yes to both.

[Wolf Alice]

1 hour ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

Monoculture. 

 

Sadly, even if she has higher sales, higher tours, etc, she is not as omnipresent as them. I know that she's bigger than everyone else in the U.S. and some asian countries, but it is not the same case in other countries. I'm from Latin America, and I know a bunch of people that don't know her. It is not the same case at all with Adele or Britney. 

Well in that case neither Adele nor Britney were that dominant in majority of Asia. They sold well in a couple of markets but they were nobodies in the most populous parts - specially Adele. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Wolf Alice

[Popboi.]

33 minutes ago, Sergi91 said:

And Shania got her first 2 Diamond albums with pure sales without the streaming nonsense 

It's 2023.

[WildHeart]

1 hour ago, 4th Time Around said:

 irrelevant stats to remind us what a commercial juggernaught she is as if that matters. Dance Monkey was a commercial smash too, perhaps Swifties should focus on what makes her a good artist to them instead.

Her 3 AOTY winning music is the reason we stan her. Don't worry we care 

[Chris]

Uh no?

 

Madonna is according to the Guinness Book of Records.

[KKCuteCat]

I'd say she's the second biggest after Madonna

[Strawberry Bubble]

26 minutes ago, Wolf Alice said:

Well in that case neither Adele nor Britney were that dominant in majority of Asia. They sold well in a couple of markets but they were nobodies in the most populous parts - specially Adele. 

I'm talking about the centralization of information and entertainment that was predominant during Britney's and Adele's peaks. TV, MTV, and communication media were places that everyone watched, and it was almost impossible to escape them. Right now, with the fragmentation of social media and the algorithm, it is impossible to be as omnipresent as they were in the past.

 

Maybe Asia was not a big consumer of North American culture, but Latin America was. Some songs like Rolling in the deep or toxic were impossible to avoid. And I know that this is a subjective perspective, but it is objective to say that right now attention is more fragmented than ever and artists are not able to be as omnipresent as they were in the past. There are too many influencers and famous people. That was not the case in Britney's and Adele's peaks. 

 

Taylor is really popular among younger generations here, and specially people who speak English. But that is the minority. 

[kyoshi]

5 minutes ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

I'm talking about the centralization of information and entertainment that was predominant during Britney's and Adele's peaks. TV, MTV, and communication media were places that everyone watched, and it was almost impossible to escape them. Right now, with the fragmentation of social media and the algorithm, it is impossible to be as omnipresent as they were in the past.

 

Maybe Asia was not a big consumer of North American culture, but Latin America was. Some songs like Rolling in the deep or toxic were impossible to avoid. And I know that this is a subjective perspective, but it is objective to say that right now attention is more fragmented than ever and artists are not able to be as omnipresent as they were in the past. There are too many influencers and famous people. That was not the case in Britney's and Adele's peaks. 

 

Taylor is really popular among younger generations here, and specially people who speak English. But that is the minority. 

Shake it off and blank space were impossible to avoid just like toxic rolling in the deep  idk why you're lying

 

 

 

[Strawberry Bubble]

9 minutes ago, kyoshi said:

Shake it off and blank space were impossible to avoid just like toxic rolling in the deep  idk why you're lying

 

 

 

Because you are from Mexico, one of her biggest markets. That's why The Eras Tour was in Mexico, but not in other Latin American countries. 

 

I really don't have any motives to lie about Taylor's popularity. I'd love her to be more popular here, so there's a chance she'll visit more often. But the truth is she only visited Argentina, Mexico and Brazil because those are her biggest markets here.

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Sebastián Muñoz

[Wolf Alice]

24 minutes ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

I'm talking about the centralization of information and entertainment that was predominant during Britney's and Adele's peaks. TV, MTV, and communication media were places that everyone watched, and it was almost impossible to escape them. Right now, with the fragmentation of social media and the algorithm, it is impossible to be as omnipresent as they were in the past.

 

Maybe Asia was not a big consumer of North American culture, but Latin America was. Some songs like Rolling in the deep or toxic were impossible to avoid. And I know that this is a subjective perspective, but it is objective to say that right now attention is more fragmented than ever and artists are not able to be as omnipresent as they were in the past. There are too many influencers and famous people. That was not the case in Britney's and Adele's peaks. 

 

Taylor is really popular among younger generations here, and specially people who speak English. But that is the minority. 

I'm just using your "but Latin America" strawman to show how ridiculous that is. Your definition of monoculture is definitely limited to your perception of it when the most populous countries in the world don't even care about those artists you think had the monoculture grip because as you rightly pointed out - west hadn't permeated into our culture that much yet. I'd argue the only monoculture icon to ever exist is MJ. 

[kyoshi]

14 minutes ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

Because you are from Mexico, one of her biggest markets. That's why The Eras Tour was in Mexico, but not in other Latin American countries. 

 

I really don't have any motives to lie about Taylor's popularity. I'd love her to be more popular here, so there's a chance she'll visit more often. But the truth is she only visited Argentina, Mexico and Brazil because those are her biggest markets here.

 

 

 

Please all the argentinian dates were packed with chileans, colombians, peruvians, uruguayans, etc. Don't say LATAM and just name your country  because you know damn well she didn't perform in Chile as a result of their national stadium already being booked around those dates and they couldn't make it work but even their president was begging for eras tour dates...

 

Just like she won't perform in the Philippines even when it's her strongest market not because she can't sell tickets there but bc they don't have a stadium where they can fit stage ffs

[Strawberry Bubble]

1 minute ago, Wolf Alice said:

I'm just using your "but Latin America" strawman to show how ridiculous that is. Your definition of monoculture is definitely limited to your perception of it when the most populous countries in the world don't even care about those artists you think had the monoculture grip because as you rightly pointed out - west hadn't permeated into our culture that much yet. I'd argue the only monoculture icon to ever exist is MJ. 

I'm not talking about Asia, I'm talking about the way the world consumed entertainment back in the day, including the U.S., Latin America, Asia, etc. Social media has fragmented the attention everywhere in the world, Latin America is just one example of it. 

 

I'm not saying "T.S. is not the biggest pop girl ever because she is not big in Latin America", I'm saying that she is not able to command attention as singers could back in the day, thanks to the centralization of media and entertainment, and I used examples from my daily life to illustrate the idea more easily, but I see that you are just misunderstanding it, I don't know if it is on purpose or if I should explain it step by step. 

 

Oh, and It is not a "ridiculous" definition. It is something even mentioned by legends of the entertainment industry, like Quentin Tarantino, who said that streaming films don't exist in the zeitgeist. Furthermore, it is the same case with the decline of the radio and the rise of streaming music.

 

[stevyy]

2 hours ago, Kasix said:

Oh I didn’t know the way music is consumed nowadays Is considered nonsense lmao 

U damn well know what that user meant by that statement. Don't be daft.

 

Steaming is not nonsense... but it is not sales. 

 

People who build houses today with machines and what not, would never say... that how the people built houses 1000 years ago wasn't completely earth shattering. 

 

We look at the Pyramids in awe... and look at a glass window highrise sceptically bc it's not that special (anymore). This analogy applies to streaming versus sales as well... 

 

Taylor isn't the only high streaming act. I know she is #1. But there are other acts out there getting more streams per year than older acts entire historical streaming run so far. 

 

These comparisons are often extremely scewed in favor of streaming. And the young generation doesn't even want to have the discussion, they only want to confirm their bias because they have never experience how it once was and what it meant. 

 

It means nothing for me to stream XY today, but it was a hassle to go out there picking up a physical product at a shop. It is easier today, access is much better... music can be streamed for free, but it couldn't have been bought for free. 

 

 

[spree]

Units: yes

pure sales: no

impact: no

performance skills: no

beauty: no

videos: no

voice: no

same old thread, week after week. Is Drake bigger than Paul McCartney?

[Vixen Eyes]

immediately, no. maybe shes a close second to Madonna but not above her, ever.

[flashfox]

Yes she is especially in the USA