celeb news Pollstar: Taylor Swift is biggest dominating artist in culture since prime MJ/Madonna

[spree]

1 minute ago, HappierJealousy said:

Her monstrous is not about the music, so what is people streaming? What is reason why people is going to her concert? To see her dance? 

are you negating the fact she's been nonstop releasing for years now, and that hasn't made any impact on her current status?

[Steve Johnson]

3 minutes ago, spree said:

are you negating the fact she's been nonstop releasing for years now, and that hasn't made any impact on her current status?

So her music. 

[Strawberry Bubble]

1 hour ago, LOTF said:

Lmao why are swifties fighting against a swiftie?

I'm starting to understand why people say Taylor is the Musical Equivalent of McDonald's: some swifties here brag about Taylor's money like it was theirs, and like overconsumption was a good thing. It's quite embarrassing, and I don't know how I would defend Taylor with this type of fans. Imagine people were saying that Avatar is the best movie of all time because it is proclaimed to be the highest-grossing film. 

 

But I'll answer to them later, their "arguments" are quite weak. 

 

[HappierJealousy]

2 minutes ago, spree said:

are you negating the fact she's been nonstop releasing for years now, and that hasn't made any impact on her current status?

Yes, she is nonstop releasing. And isn’t the thing she keeps releasing called “music”?  Drake and Bad Bunny released more albums than her in the past 6-7 years and I don’t see they became as big as Taylor? 

[HappierJealousy]

21 minutes ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

I'm starting to understand why people say Taylor is the Musical Equivalent of McDonald's: some swifties here brag about Taylor's money like it was theirs, and like overconsumption was a good thing. It's quite embarrassing, and I don't know how I would defend Taylor with this type of fans. Imagine people were saying that Avatar is the best movie of all time because it is proclaimed to be the highest-grossing film. 

 

But I'll answer to them later, their "arguments" are quite weak. 

 

So you brag about Adele’s album sales (for one album) and I can’t brag about Taylor’s streams and box office?  Oh

 

none of your opinion is logical. The box office of a movie had nothing to do with its quality. But artist’s commercial stats is the biggest factors when deciding who is bigger. This is so embarrassing

Edited December 7, 2023 by HappierJealousy

[spree]

1 minute ago, HappierJealousy said:

Yes, she is nonstop releasing. And isn’t the thing she keeps releasing called “music”?  Drake and Bad Bunny released more albums than her in the past 6-7 years and I don’t see they became as big as Taylor? 

aren't they like #2 and #3 tho?   And Bad Bunny speaks Spanish.   You act as tho they are nobodies. 

[Wolf Alice]

5 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

Yes, she is nonstop releasing. And isn’t the thing she keeps releasing called “music”?  Drake and Bad Bunny released more albums than her in the past 6-7 years and I don’t see they became as big as Taylor? 

Oh wait till they find out how frequently Beatles released  I'm sure that's not an issue at all when it's men 

[HappierJealousy]

2 minutes ago, spree said:

aren't they like #2 and #3 tho?   And Bad Bunny speaks Spanish.   You act as tho they are nobodies. 

So basically Taylor reached a new career because she has released lots of music that people like Not everybody can’t relate cause most artist don’t have the demand to release as frequent as her or need a whole writing camp for at least a whole year to produce an album. Her power and talent is unmatched 

[Klein]

33 minutes ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

I'm starting to understand why people say Taylor is the Musical Equivalent of McDonald's: some swifties here brag about Taylor's money like it was theirs, and like overconsumption was a good thing. It's quite embarrassing, and I don't know how I would defend Taylor with this type of fans. Imagine people were saying that Avatar is the best movie of all time because it is proclaimed to be the highest-grossing film. 

 

But I'll answer to them later, their "arguments" are quite weak. 

 

So are you arguing that Adele had a bigger peak because of her sales or that we shouldn't use sales to determine which one is better? Like keep a narrative. You're embarrassing. 

 

You said Adele has a bigger peak because she moved more units. Reality is, Taylor moved more units, had the biggest tour ever, and record-breaking box office numbers. Impact-wise, she was just named POTY ffs. She also dominated the culture this year to the point where companies were even capitalising on fanbase twitter pages' jokes to sell products. She definitely has a bigger peak. 

 

If you want to debate whether her music is the best, it's a completely different conversation, and that's honestly a matter of opinion. 

Edited December 7, 2023 by Klein

[Klein]

27 minutes ago, spree said:

aren't they like #2 and #3 tho?   And Bad Bunny speaks Spanish.   You act as tho they are nobodies. 

And they are #2 and #3 with a very big gap. It's not like she's moving just 1M more units than them. 

[FolkLover1989]

41 minutes ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

I'm starting to understand why people say Taylor is the Musical Equivalent of McDonald's: some swifties here brag about Taylor's money like it was theirs, and like overconsumption was a good thing. It's quite embarrassing, and I don't know how I would defend Taylor with this type of fans. Imagine people were saying that Avatar is the best movie of all time because it is proclaimed to be the highest-grossing film. 

 

But I'll answer to them later, their "arguments" are quite weak. 

 

Oh we have OTH hiding behind Taylor I see 

Just another day 

 

No Swiftie will call Taylor McDonalds of Pop lol just because you are pissed by some fan argument 

[FolkLover1989]

5 hours ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

I can't believe that I have to explain this: I'm talking about how much visibility an individual social media user can actually get. Take Taylor, for example; she has 278 million followers on Instagram. But the vast majority of those people either don't interact with her content, are bots, or simply aren't aware of what she posts, or even if they are, they don't engage. This is just to illustrate how appearing on TV or on the radio in the past gave artists a much wider audience compared to what they can achieve now. And that's just MTV, imagine TV statistics overall, along with the radio. 

 

But, most importantly, you'd encounter content about artists like Britney or Adele whether you were interested in them or not. The media and radio would essentially break into your bubble, playing their songs almost everywhere, not just in the U.S. Today, people tend to stick to their own music on platforms like Spotify, and everyone seems confined within their own social media bubble. This is why many people feel that artists like Britney or Adele were much bigger in the past - they had a larger platform to reach audiences, regardless of whether individuals were interested in them or not. You couldn't avoid them. 

 

As for the other points I mentioned: it's okay, it is not like you could effectively answer all the information I gave you. I had to explain basic concepts to you like two or three times. 

 

 

 

No one talks about Britney and Adele here in India but Taylor is everywhere 

She has been everywhere here since 2010

 

So tell me Swiftie , how does your argument has any base??

[FolkLover1989]

OTH hiding as Taylor stan and then making baseless post 

 

 

[Klein]

7 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Oh we have OTH hiding behind Taylor I see 

Just another day 

 

No Swiftie will call Taylor McDonalds of Pop lol just because you are pissed by some fan argument 

And it's also ALWAYS the same thing.

 

Talk **** on Taylor, gets a response, "Oh I'm starting to understand why she's seen like this by her haters" or "Swifties are starting to really make me dislike Taylor"... Like grow balls, be a dedicated hater instead of an "undercover fan realizing Taylor and the Swifties are evil". 

 

Like the premice of this is quite exactly the same as with reveuse. It's tired and I hope they are embarrassed of themselves when they grow up. 

[CaptainMusic]

1 hour ago, HappierJealousy said:

That user’s illogical essay is destroying nobody This is streaming eras and Taylor’s album did 186m streams on the first day only on Spotify. The music industry in this day just works in complete different way than even ten years ago and apparently you’re the people who stuck at the past. Streaming change everything. Taylor’s whole discography is got consumption and her total units will be 2x bigger than Adele next year. Suddenly the debut week number or the single album’s success is the only metrics to describe which artist is bigger. The 3.4m debut of 25 is definitely impressive, but will never be as massive as Taylor’s 1B box office tour in a single year. When the tour finished it will gather around 10 million people (and the real number is definitely much more than that cause there are tons of people failed to snatch a ticket) willing to spend $200 to see her in the concert. Just don’t compare this astonishing achievement with the sales of a $10 CD, that’s just not comparable let’s not. You seem to completely tend to ignore every Taylor’s achievements and called yourself a “swiftie”. BTW, according to that users’ logic, Madonna is not even the top 5 female artists cause she doesn’t have a top 5 biggest female album, I can’t believe you use his opinion as a reference 

Has the Eras tour really grossed $1B in 1 year? I thought that was over 2 years.

 

I don’t see any box office scores for it. 

[HEAVYONIT]

7 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

You literally just named two very impressive feats.... 

What has any other female artist from the last decade done to shift the course of music? 

The only one I can think of is Beyoncé with the Friday release. Other than that, nothing. 

Yes, they are impressive feats...but they're feats. They haven't shifted the course of the trajectory of music, which is what I was merely pointing out. The album re-recording thing is definitely going to be her most impactful moment on the industry, without a doubt. I'm sure other artists will be doing the same shortly (#thankskelly).

[HEAVYONIT]

6 hours ago, Raspberries said:

Saying this as a Nicki fan  

Saying this as probably a white girl that has no idea about anything related to female rap and Nicki's impact on the genre, which would be insanely ignorant to deny. Sorry my opinion triggered you. 

[WildHeart]

11 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said:

Has the Eras tour really grossed $1B in 1 year? I thought that was over 2 years.

 

I don’t see any box office scores for it. 

It's 2023 shows predicted to do 900M. 

 

And 2024 shows will probably do another 700-800M. 

[HappierJealousy]

19 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said:

Has the Eras tour really grossed $1B in 1 year? I thought that was over 2 years.

 

I don’t see any box office scores for it. 

BB and Forbes estimated over $900M for the first year 60 shows

[Arrows]

If the only way to listen to the next Taylor album was to buy it, I fully believe she’d smash Adele’s record.

[Lille]

She is truly the most impactful and successful female artist of all time. An undeniable fact.

[MatiRod]

2 hours ago, spree said:

Taylor's current monstrous peak isn't because of the music, it's because she's kept herself at the forefront of pop culture by releasing nonstop for years.  Gaga's peak was huge cuz her music was just a little bit different than everybody else's. Plus the videos catapulted her success.   Adele was huge cuz her music was also different, and she was not your typical pop star.  Midnights is not different than any other Taylor album, so it can't be about the music. 

I don't think that's fair to say about Gaga. She combined a lot of elements into a unique package that yes included the music but it was also about her image, what she stood for, her personality...she was a breath of fresh air in the pop world and she unapologetically rallied queer people around her. That's what really made her stand out IMO. A lot of people were getting electro-pop hits back then. Not many of them were turning those hits into a massive global fanbase and intense media attention for every performance, look etc.

[CaptainMusic]

55 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

It's 2023 shows predicted to do 900M. 

 

And 2024 shows will probably do another 700-800M. 

 

48 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

BB and Forbes estimated over $900M for the first year 60 shows

Yeah I know about that but you said it was doing $1B in 1 year so I thought the box office scores were released and it did that in 2023 and was gonna add another $1B in 2024 for a total $2B gross  I think if it was doing that this year alone Billboard would’ve said. 

 

Stellar numbers regardless.

 

Personally I still think Adele and Whitney had the bigger peak globally female wise but I do see the argument for Taylor. It will probably be easier to see in the future. 

Edited December 7, 2023 by CaptainMusic

[Rep2000]

2 hours ago, Klein said:

And it's also ALWAYS the same thing.

 

Talk **** on Taylor, gets a response, "Oh I'm starting to understand why she's seen like this by her haters" or "Swifties are starting to really make me dislike Taylor"... Like grow balls, be a dedicated hater instead of an "undercover fan realizing Taylor and the Swifties are evil". 

 

Like the premice of this is quite exactly the same as with reveuse. It's tired and I hope they are embarrassed of themselves when they grow up. 

Who says it's not just reveuse dupe? The writing is familiar. And the obsession is still the same.

[Solaria]

2 hours ago, Klein said:

And it's also ALWAYS the same thing.

 

Talk **** on Taylor, gets a response, "Oh I'm starting to understand why she's seen like this by her haters" or "Swifties are starting to really make me dislike Taylor"... Like grow balls, be a dedicated hater instead of an "undercover fan realizing Taylor and the Swifties are evil". 

 

Like the premice of this is quite exactly the same as with reveuse. It's tired and I hope they are embarrassed of themselves when they grow up. 

Exactly. Be like me. Remember my ''Taylor has a panned discography, surprised?'' thread. That's ART. You ******* could NEVER