celeb news Pollstar: Taylor Swift is biggest dominating artist in culture since prime MJ/Madonna

[Strawberry Bubble]

15 hours ago, Rev8 said:

Nobodies?
U can argue about China, since they opened their market in ~2015 (why Taylor is the biggest western artists Ever there)

but Gaga and Britney were definitely known in Asia

 

You hear how popular Mariah is there, but Avril and Britney are the other 2 girls from our time that are pretty big there (after Whitney,Madonna and Enya ofc)

at least for Avril and Britney, they were deffo known in the more populous parts, because they've also had a lot of influence there - so culturally, it definitely is a Tick

 

 

Honestly, it's not

Music consumption is at its peak these days, it has even surpassed the 2000 peak

 

but this does prove that Adele's peak was most impressive (even tho what music she did)

for Britney's case, she was fighting with male artists - which were beating everybody up at the time - and the piracy was at its peak

 

I do think that back then, u could make money easier

but now, it's much easier to control your narrative, bring up your hype and even control chart placements and falsifying info (at least if u know the right people)

 

 

Taylor is definitely huge

and its deserved because of her huge drive and genius tactics/strategies (which others girls' lack both)

((i honestly think that if other girls were as prompt as her, the difference in success would maybe not equal but at least not as noticeable))

but I agree with you that she doesn't have the cultural impact.. that comes with the success that she has - while the others mostly did

 

Tbh it is logical for Taylor to have more success instead of cultural impact

not saying this to be shady, but she is everything that Pop may represent..she is likeable and easily digestible (which isnt always a bad thing)

she doesnt scare people, but that's exactly why she wouldn't shock anyone and in turn create changes - that is why I have always said that her impact is mostly in the musical business sphere. She may create changes for artists, how they are treated and payed..but there wont be artists that copy her style exactly like it is.

 

For Adele and Britney...people stayed for their music and to see what do next. They were interesting to a wide demographic (ofc they had their own demographies, but everyone tuned in to see what they did)

I agree with most of what you've mentioned, except for the idea that today's music industry is at its peak. The comparison in the chart is between streaming numbers and total physical units sold, which aren't equivalent in economic terms. This is why numerous artists might struggle to maintain a successful career solely through music, especially due to the low payouts from streaming and the focus on immediate chart success rather than long-term artist growth.

 

Taylor might be winning easily today, but back in the day, artists faced significant competition from others who were genuinely passionate about music, because they earned most of their income from that source. It is not a coincidence that other pop artists aren't producing music as constantly as they once did. 

 

[Strawberry Bubble]

14 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

You do know that Taylor was literally just below Adele during her dominance and that she's still the biggest pure seller on the market right? 

Of course, I do! I love her, but my whole point of Adele being bigger is not about money or income, but about cultural predominance: nowadays, with the fragmentation of entertainment, not just music, it's highly unlikely for a musical act to attain the same level of widespread popularity that allowed artists to transcend into various other forms of media, as they once could. You can check this Reddit post to understand what I'm talking about: 

 

 

 

 

[Strawberry Bubble]

16 hours ago, HappierJealousy said:

Taylor’s 2023 is definitely the biggest year for any female artist in history let’s not. And least much bigger than Adele and Gaga’s peak, cause they’re her peers and comparable.

She has the biggest selling year ever (estimated 40m+ IFPI units in a single year), biggest streaming years ever , biggest tour ever, biggest movie concert, as well as #1 radio artist and #1 physical selling artist. She scored two big hits (AH and CS) in one single year and most importantly, her whole discography is played from grocery to airport, not just one or two hits. In the US, she gets 8% support for president poll and she is not even in the competition. Just a single show up to support her boyfriend made that match broke the audience rating record. She is the first entertainer to enter the top 5 of the Forbes most powerful woman yearly list and she is competing with people like Putin and King Charles for the Times POTY title. She made more money in the past two years than her entire career before that and made her the very first billionaire who earn all the money from music industry. I lived in Australia , and literally every people I know called their mom and dad and grandparents, waiting in the queue for 8 hours, but still can’t get a single ticket to see her. And all these happened in a span of a year. She is charting 4-5 albums in the top 10 of the album chart like this is something common and only Whitney in these people you’ve mentioned had done this for two weeks after her passed away. This is historic level of peak and it’s almost horrified to witness. Let’s make statements based on the real receipts not your personal feelings or vibes, thanks

 

I've said this before in other messages, and honestly, it's starting to get boring to explain to people why money and economic units are important only when you have superficial and shallow metrics. This is the reason why even if Scarlett Johansson is the highest-grossing actress of all time, she is not on the same level as Meryl Streep or Elizabeth Taylor as the best actress of all time; she's not even as popular as them. 

 

Similarly, even though Marilyn Monroe earned just under $3 million from film salaries and had a net worth of $800,000 at the time of her death, you have people like Kim Kardashian (who has a net worth of $1.7 billion) wearing her dresses during the MET Gala. Yes, impact and cultural significance are important; art is so much more than just being a money machine. 

 

And even if Cristiano Ronaldo or Neymar are the highest-paid football players in the world, that doesn't mean they are above legends like Diego Maradona or Pele.

 

I know there's a prevailing notion in ATRL that more money equals a "bigger musician", but the level of popularity artists reached back in the day can't be attained today with the fragmented attention span people have nowadays. Cultural predominance is indeed a crucial factor in determining the biggest female musicians of all time. Only ATRL users believe that monetary numbers determine whether an artist is bigger than the rest. 

 

 

[Raphy23]

10 hours ago, Love Again said:

Taylor was because none of the girls had smash albums around this time. This was the era of Drake and XXXTentacion 

Ew. Horrible time. Rest in peace XXXTentacion.

[Rep2000]

Why is ATRL still denying Taylor's status of POTY when it has overwhelming evidences about it?

 

You literally just need to have "XYZ drags Taylor Swift!" in the title and suddenly ATRL would pretend to care in 10+ pages about an opinion of a nobody in a language they don't speak or understand, just because it's about Taylor Swift.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Rep2000

[HappierJealousy]

26 minutes ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

I've said this before in other messages, and honestly, it's starting to get boring to explain to people why money and economic units are important only when you have superficial and shallow metrics. This is the reason why even if Scarlett Johansson is the highest-grossing actress of all time, she is not on the same level as Meryl Streep or Elizabeth Taylor as the best actress of all time; she's not even as popular as them. 

 

Similarly, even though Marilyn Monroe earned just under $3 million from film salaries and had a net worth of $800,000 at the time of her death, you have people like Kim Kardashian (who has a net worth of $1.7 billion) wearing her dresses during the MET Gala. Yes, impact and cultural significance are important; art is so much more than just being a money machine. 

 

And even if Cristiano Ronaldo or Neymar are the highest-paid football players in the world, that doesn't mean they are above legends like Diego Maradona or Pele.

 

I know there's a prevailing notion in ATRL that more money equals a "bigger musician", but the level of popularity artists reached back in the day can't be attained today with the fragmented attention span people have nowadays. Cultural predominance is indeed a crucial factor in determining the biggest female musicians of all time. Only ATRL users believe that monetary numbers determine whether an artist is bigger than the rest. 

 

 

In conclusion, we have number and receipts to support why Taylor is bigger than all these artists, but you can’t give us a single evidence except your personal feeling. And now Taylor won Time’s POTY. Time started select their POTY since 1927 and I didn’t see them win 

Thank you for keep discrediting her cause apparently in the real world her power is right there along with some real big figures after she demolished all of these people your mentioned in all metrics of success, inflated number or not

[LOTF]

Lmao why are swifties fighting against a swiftie?

[byzantium]

33 minutes ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

I've said this before in other messages, and honestly, it's starting to get boring to explain to people why money and economic units are important only when you have superficial and shallow metrics. This is the reason why even if Scarlett Johansson is the highest-grossing actress of all time, she is not on the same level as Meryl Streep or Elizabeth Taylor as the best actress of all time; she's not even as popular as them. 

Use any objective metric you want and you will still get the same conclusion.  But I guess that does not matter to you because every objective point is somehow invalid because it does not align with your personal feelings.

[BrandNewBrandon]

18 hours ago, HappierJealousy said:

Taylor’s 2023 is definitely the biggest year for any female artist in history let’s not. And least much bigger than Adele and Gaga’s peak, cause they’re her peers and comparable.

 

Adele 21: 51 million equivalent album sales to date (along with THREE #1 singles on the Hot 100 + 50 #1s on official international charts)

Lady Gaga The Fame: 35,603,000 (TWO #1 singles + over 100 official #1s on international charts)

Taylor Swift 1989: 26,672,000 (three #1 singles + over 50 official #1s on international charts)

Taylor Swift Midnights: 11,251,000 (ONE #1 single + 23 official #1s on international charts)

 

Then there's Google which has been determining who and what the GP is interested in since 2004, covering the entire careers of those three ladies: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0dl567,%2Fm%2F0478__m,%2Fm%2F02z4b_8&hl=da

 

1. Lady Gaga

2. Adele

3. Taylor Swift

 

The Ticketmaster fiasco, her dating life, the release of LWYMMD, the snake incident, the Kanye VMAs incident, NOTHING in her career has caused more interest and traction than Lady Gaga's Meat Dress and the premiere of her Born This Way video and NOTHING of Taylor's beats the release of Adele's Hello video. 

 

At this point it's the Taylor fans that have a problem. She sold 30M units but she also released THREE albums in the span of 12 months along. If Gaga and Adele added one or two more albums during their reign their sales would've been bigger as well. FACT is that no Taylor era/album has generated more sales, chart hits and clicks than Lady Gaga's or Adele's peaks. So what does that leave you Taylor stans with? 30M based on the fact that all you purchased and streamed all three projects? 30 million people bought Adele's album, we know Taylor's 30M units are the same fans buying those three albums each and then streaming them at home. 

 

Taylor was factually never on par with Lady Gaga's and Adele's peaks. Never. 

 

But other than that, I'd like to add that this thread and some of you Taylor stans also imply that Taylor's peak is somehow bigger than Whitney ******* Houston's The Bodyguard album which is the biggest female album of all time and includes SMASH hits I Will Always Love You and I Have Nothing  Like, you guys imply Anti-Hero and Is It Over Now? are bigger than those two songs by saying what I embedded above. 

 

Her peak is not bigger than Lady Gaga, Adele, Whitney or Madonna's. And that's also why you make these threads: because deep down you're insecure about her peak and success and that's why you need to flaunt all of it. 

 

Keep fuming about facts. 

[Cruel Summer]

Um. So anyway I think it’s really interesting how Taylor has moved more units this year across her whole discography combined than any artist in any year of the Soundscan era in the US, probably since MJ in ‘83 both US and worldwide!

[Steve Johnson]

4 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Taylor was factually never on par with Lady Gaga's and Adele's peaks. Never. 

Keep saying that, you'll never convince anyone. 

This is the biggest peak any artist has ever had (after MJ).  

[Cleanromantic]

7 hours ago, AvadaKedavra said:

I have a question. How she was able to build her first audience. Im talkin about the Debut and Fearless era.
Cause i remember how she also had a very loyal fanbase in that time. It just grew up with time
Was taylor really well-connected to the fans in that time? cause thats where everything started
how was her relationship with the fans at the beggining of her career

She started building her fanbase before she officially debuted on MySpace, she used to message back fans and post songs on there before 2006. 

This was her schedule as an opening act in 2007/2008 

and she stayed after each and every show for a free meet and greet at the parking lots to take pics, sign autographs and thank people for coming to see her.

Her meet and greets have always been free since her days as an opening act, and she actually genuinely enjoys meeting fans so it never came off as her doing it reluctantly (There's a video of her doing a 13 hours meet and greet and she still looked enthusiastic at the end)

And of course, the cherry on top has always been her relatable, emotionally vulnerable music.

 

[HappierJealousy]

31 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Adele 21: 51 million equivalent album sales to date (along with THREE #1 singles on the Hot 100 + 50 #1s on official international charts)

Lady Gaga The Fame: 35,603,000 (TWO #1 singles + over 100 official #1s on international charts)

Taylor Swift 1989: 26,672,000 (three #1 singles + over 50 official #1s on international charts)

Taylor Swift Midnights: 11,251,000 (ONE #1 single + 23 official #1s on international charts)

 

Then there's Google which has been determining who and what the GP is interested in since 2004, covering the entire careers of those three ladies: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0dl567,%2Fm%2F0478__m,%2Fm%2F02z4b_8&hl=da

 

1. Lady Gaga

2. Adele

3. Taylor Swift

 

The Ticketmaster fiasco, her dating life, the release of LWYMMD, the snake incident, the Kanye VMAs incident, NOTHING in her career has caused more interest and traction than Lady Gaga's Meat Dress and the premiere of her Born This Way video and NOTHING of Taylor's beats the release of Adele's Hello video. 

 

At this point it's the Taylor fans that have a problem. She sold 30M units but she also released THREE albums in the span of 12 months along. If Gaga and Adele added one or two more albums during their reign their sales would've been bigger as well. FACT is that no Taylor era/album has generated more sales, chart hits and clicks than Lady Gaga's or Adele's peaks. So what does that leave you Taylor stans with? 30M based on the fact that all you purchased and streamed all three projects? 30 million people bought Adele's album, we know Taylor's 30M units are the same fans buying those three albums each and then streaming them at home. 

 

Taylor was factually never on par with Lady Gaga's and Adele's peaks. Never. 

 

But other than that, I'd like to add that this thread and some of you Taylor stans also imply that Taylor's peak is somehow bigger than Whitney ******* Houston's The Bodyguard album which is the biggest female album of all time and includes SMASH hits I Will Always Love You and I Have Nothing  Like, you guys imply Anti-Hero and Is It Over Now? are bigger than those two songs by saying what I embedded above. 

 

Her peak is not bigger than Lady Gaga, Adele, Whitney or Madonna's. And that's also why you make these threads: because deep down you're insecure about her peak and success and that's why you need to flaunt all of it. 

 

Keep fuming about facts. 

We’re taking about the biggest artist, not biggest album. Is Shania bigger than Madonna cause COO is bigger than Madonna’s any studio album?
 

And what is your points of comparing the total units? Was 21 selling 51 million in one single years?  And sorry the data your use is outdated, 1989 is now at 33 million.
Where is their 1B box office tour in a single year? 250 million box office moive in one month?

And what the hell is Google trending? First of all, you need to check your eyes first cause Taylor has a bigger peak (2015&2023) than Adele (2012) based on the link you provided, needless to say she has a double peak. That 2023 line is just keeping going up and no one knows where will be it’s final position. And do you really consider people’s searching Gaga’s naked body and strange clothes during her peak is something valuable? Kim K is the bigger than all these three artists on Google Trend, literally nobody cares this thing

Taylor is moving 40 million units + this year, and no one is close to her in the past 30 years. I don’t want to argue with you anymore cause apparently you have some problems in understanding . People is here to discuss who is bigger between Taylor and Madonna, no one mention Gaga and Adele here. You can keep fuming through

Edited December 7, 2023 by HappierJealousy

[Klein]

16 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Keep fuming about facts. 

A very good lesson to learn I fear. 

 

 

Anyway, congrats to Taylor for being POTY. No artists in history ever had that honor, distinction and recognition. Truly highlighting her impact her and success in 2023 has no comparison. 

[Wolf Alice]

5 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

We’re taking about the biggest artist, not biggest album. And what is your points of comparing the total units? Was 21 selling 51 million in one single years? 
Where is their 1B box office tour in a single year? 250 million box office moive in one month?

Taylor is moving 40 million units + this year, and no one is close to her in the past 30 years. I don’t want to argue with you anymore cause apparently you have some problems in perception. You can keep fuming though

Oop end Jaxxxxon 

OT: Biggest year for any artist in the 21st century period 

[BrandNewBrandon]

2 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

We’re taking about the biggest artist, not biggest album. And what is your points of comparing the total units? Was 21 selling 51 million in one single years? 
Where is their 1B box office tour in a single year? 250 million box office moive in one month?

Had Adele released another album of course she'd be selling more. No individual Taylor album has moved more units than Adele's 21 (or 25). That's undebatable. 

 

30 million people bought a Adele album. 30 million people did NOT purchase one Taylor album, you damn well it's more like 10 million buying three albums. 

 

As for tour gross, Beyoncé just scored the highest grossing tour by a female ever and the entire all time top 5 is basically tours from this year and 2022. Doesn't make Harry Styles bigger than MJ and it doesn't make Beyoncé bigger than any female ever. 

 

Until Taylor can have a commercial peak where she sells 30 million units of ONE album then she's nowhere near Adele's commercial peak. If you take away her re-releases Midnights has only sold 11 million, which is NOT even half of Adele's album. 

[Klein]

35 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Had Adele released another album of course she'd be selling more. No individual Taylor album has moved more units than Adele's 21 (or 25). That's undebatable. 

 

30 million people bought a Adele album. 30 million people did NOT purchase one Taylor album, you damn well it's more like 10 million buying three albums. 

 

As for tour gross, Beyoncé just scored the highest grossing tour by a female ever and the entire all time top 5 is basically tours from this year and 2022. Doesn't make Harry Styles bigger than MJ and it doesn't make Beyoncé bigger than any female ever. 

 

Until Taylor can have a commercial peak where she sells 30 million units of ONE album then she's nowhere near Adele's commercial peak. If you take away her re-releases Midnights has only sold 11 million, which is NOT even half of Adele's album. 

And you think 21 would have sold as much if she released other albums instead of releasing new singles? Or that she sold 30M in a single year? 

 

Reality is, in the end: 

- Taylor in 2023 moved more album units than Adele and Lady Gaga in any given year

- Taylor in 2023 is having a bigger tour than Adele and Lady Gaga in any given year (or their entire career combined for that matter)

- Taylor in 2023 is POTY for the impact she's had, can't say the same for others

Edited December 7, 2023 by Klein

[HappierJealousy]

24 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Had Adele released another album of course she'd be selling more. No individual Taylor album has moved more units than Adele's 21 (or 25). That's undebatable. 

 

30 million people bought a Adele album. 30 million people did NOT purchase one Taylor album, you damn well it's more like 10 million buying three albums. 

 

As for tour gross, Beyoncé just scored the highest grossing tour by a female ever and the entire all time top 5 is basically tours from this year and 2022. Doesn't make Harry Styles bigger than MJ and it doesn't make Beyoncé bigger than any female ever. 

 

Until Taylor can have a commercial peak where she sells 30 million units of ONE album then she's nowhere near Adele's commercial peak. If you take away her re-releases Midnights has only sold 11 million, which is NOT even half of Adele's album. 

Yes so Shania/Whitney/Celine/Adele is all bigger than Madonna, cause they all have an album that outsold any Madonna’s album. Got it  

And 1989 has already sold more units than 25, but that’s not important

Edited December 7, 2023 by HappierJealousy

[Strawberry Bubble]

57 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

In conclusion, we have number and receipts to support why Taylor is bigger than all these artists, but you can’t give us a single evidence except your personal feeling. And now Taylor won Time’s POTY. Time started select their POTY since 1927 and I didn’t see them win 

Thank you for keep discrediting her cause apparently in the real world her power is right there along with some real big figures after she demolished all of these people your mentioned in all metrics of success, inflated number or not

 

25 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Adele 21: 51 million equivalent album sales to date (along with THREE #1 singles on the Hot 100 + 50 #1s on official international charts)

Lady Gaga The Fame: 35,603,000 (TWO #1 singles + over 100 official #1s on international charts)

Taylor Swift 1989: 26,672,000 (three #1 singles + over 50 official #1s on international charts)

Taylor Swift Midnights: 11,251,000 (ONE #1 single + 23 official #1s on international charts)

 

Then there's Google which has been determining who and what the GP is interested in since 2004, covering the entire careers of those three ladies: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0dl567,%2Fm%2F0478__m,%2Fm%2F02z4b_8&hl=da

 

1. Lady Gaga

2. Adele

3. Taylor Swift

 

The Ticketmaster fiasco, her dating life, the release of LWYMMD, the snake incident, the Kanye VMAs incident, NOTHING in her career has caused more interest and traction than Lady Gaga's Meat Dress and the premiere of her Born This Way video and NOTHING of Taylor's beats the release of Adele's Hello video. 

 

At this point it's the Taylor fans that have a problem. She sold 30M units but she also released THREE albums in the span of 12 months along. If Gaga and Adele added one or two more albums during their reign their sales would've been bigger as well. FACT is that no Taylor era/album has generated more sales, chart hits and clicks than Lady Gaga's or Adele's peaks. So what does that leave you Taylor stans with? 30M based on the fact that all you purchased and streamed all three projects? 30 million people bought Adele's album, we know Taylor's 30M units are the same fans buying those three albums each and then streaming them at home. 

 

Taylor was factually never on par with Lady Gaga's and Adele's peaks. Never. 

 

But other than that, I'd like to add that this thread and some of you Taylor stans also imply that Taylor's peak is somehow bigger than Whitney ******* Houston's The Bodyguard album which is the biggest female album of all time and includes SMASH hits I Will Always Love You and I Have Nothing  Like, you guys imply Anti-Hero and Is It Over Now? are bigger than those two songs by saying what I embedded above. 

 

Her peak is not bigger than Lady Gaga, Adele, Whitney or Madonna's. And that's also why you make these threads: because deep down you're insecure about her peak and success and that's why you need to flaunt all of it. 

 

Keep fuming about facts. 

I was getting into that whole money talk that swifties engage in here, but this user totally destroyed you. I could continue pointing out how Adele sold 3.48 million album-equivalent units with 25 in its first week, way more than any of Taylor's albums. And I could talk about how Taylor doesn't have an album as massive as 21 or 25, or a single as huge as Hello, Rolling in the deep, or someone like you. But the thing is, I'm not trying to put Taylor down. I'm saying that these days, the music industry can't make stars as big in the media as it used to. 

 

I don't really want to rehash everything I've already said. But when you said that "my feelings" were my receipts, it shows you didn't read all the data I shared. That's on you. 

 

[Strawberry Bubble]

1 hour ago, byzantium said:

Use any objective metric you want and you will still get the same conclusion.  But I guess that does not matter to you because every objective point is somehow invalid because it does not align with your personal feelings.

I wouldn't use voice range or singing capabilities; it would be unfair to compare Taylor with Adele or Gaga using those metrics. And no, do I really have to repeat everything that I've already mentioned? Users here seem to have a hard time thinking about something other than money, which is an "objective metric" for a businesswoman, but it's not the only factor to consider when talking about an artist. 

 

 

[bunnyeyes]

Taylor will serve longevity and be remembered as one of the greats for the simple fact that she writes her own material and serves artist.

[Steve Johnson]

14 minutes ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

 

I was getting into that whole money talk that swifties engage in here, but this user totally destroyed you. I could continue pointing out how Adele sold 3.48 million album-equivalent units with 25 in its first week, way more than any of Taylor's albums. And I could talk about how Taylor doesn't have an album as massive as 21 or 25, or a single as huge as Hello, Rolling in the deep, or someone like you. But the thing is, I'm not trying to put Taylor down. I'm saying that these days, the music industry can't make stars as big in the media as it used to. 

 

I don't really want to rehash everything I've already said. But when you said that "my feelings" were my receipts, it shows you didn't read all the data I shared. That's on you. 

 

As @Klein totally destroyed you

Reality is, in the end: 

- Taylor in 2023 moved more album units than Adele and Lady Gaga in any given year

- Taylor in 2023 is having a bigger tour than Adele and Lady Gaga in any given year (or their entire career combined for that matter)

- Taylor in 2023 is POTY for the impact she's had, can't say the same for others.

 

A bigger song or album doesn't mean sh*t. we are talking about a whole peak year. 

[HappierJealousy]

23 minutes ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

 

I was getting into that whole money talk that swifties engage in here, but this user totally destroyed you. I could continue pointing out how Adele sold 3.48 million album-equivalent units with 25 in its first week, way more than any of Taylor's albums. And I could talk about how Taylor doesn't have an album as massive as 21 or 25, or a single as huge as Hello, Rolling in the deep, or someone like you. But the thing is, I'm not trying to put Taylor down. I'm saying that these days, the music industry can't make stars as big in the media as it used to. 

 

I don't really want to rehash everything I've already said. But when you said that "my feelings" were my receipts, it shows you didn't read all the data I shared. That's on you. 

 

That user’s illogical essay is destroying nobody This is streaming eras and Taylor’s album did 186m streams on the first day only on Spotify. The music industry in this day just works in complete different way than even ten years ago and apparently you’re the people who stuck at the past. Streaming change everything. Taylor’s whole discography is got consumption and her total units will be 2x bigger than Adele next year. Suddenly the debut week number or the single album’s success is the only metrics to describe which artist is bigger. The 3.4m debut of 25 is definitely impressive, but will never be as massive as Taylor’s 1B box office tour in a single year. When the tour finished it will gather around 10 million people (and the real number is definitely much more than that cause there are tons of people failed to snatch a ticket) willing to spend $200 to see her in the concert. Just don’t compare this astonishing achievement with the sales of a $10 CD, that’s just not comparable let’s not. You seem to completely tend to ignore every Taylor’s achievements and called yourself a “swiftie”. BTW, according to that users’ logic, Madonna is not even the top 5 female artists cause she doesn’t have a top 5 biggest female album, I can’t believe you use his opinion as a reference 

Edited December 7, 2023 by HappierJealousy

[spree]

Taylor's current monstrous peak isn't because of the music, it's because she's kept herself at the forefront of pop culture by releasing nonstop for years.  Gaga's peak was huge cuz her music was just a little bit different than everybody else's. Plus the videos catapulted her success.   Adele was huge cuz her music was also different, and she was not your typical pop star.  Midnights is not different than any other Taylor album, so it can't be about the music. 

[HappierJealousy]

1 minute ago, spree said:

Taylor's current monstrous peak isn't because of the music, it's because she's kept herself at the forefront of pop culture by releasing nonstop for years.  Gaga's peak was huge cuz her music was just a little bit different than everybody else's. Plus the videos catapulted her success.   Adele was huge cuz her music was also different, and she was not your typical pop star.  Midnights is not different than any other Taylor album, so it can't be about the music. 

Her monstrous is not about the music, so what is people streaming? What is reason why people is going to her concert? To see her dance?