celeb news Pollstar: Taylor Swift is biggest dominating artist in culture since prime MJ/Madonna

[Badgalbriel]

1 minute ago, Alexz said:

Wow. There are no words.

You do know that TIME Person of the Year defines the most impactful person of said year. Bad people too, unfortunately. Bad peole can be impactful too. So yeah, he was the person of that year. 

[vale9001]

Italian biggest tv news TG1 tonight talking about the today recognition, one for the history books :"Only the Beatles at her level"

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by vale9001

[WildHeart]

3 hours ago, KKW said:

She lacks cultural currency that matters and nothing the Swift brigade says will change that

 

Beautiful stats though

 

 

3 hours ago, Mr.X said:

sales and chart records are not culture, they are commerce and yes it is through PR and marketing that you get those

 

 

3 hours ago, Davidoff said:

Overrated. 
all the basics love her cause they relate to her basicness. 

 

2 hours ago, Hector said:

Yes, the endless and ridiculous circlejerk of praise and idol worship can go there. 

POTY made you fume extra hard today huh

 

Lemme repost that historic moment one more time

Edited December 6, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[WildHeart]

29 minutes ago, khalyan said:

Gladly take suggestions for the thread title 

"Does Taylor have the biggest peak" or something like that would be more accurate considering most merged threads was about that and made users complain me thinks. 

This would also prevent such threads in the future 

[KKW]

5 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

 

 

 

POTY made you extra hard today huh

 

Lemme repost that historic moment one more time

You got me. I’m about to jump off the platform and into the tracks as we speak

[ImpressMeMuch]

Lmao what a topic to have to get a mega thread 

 

glad this is cleaned up though, the threads were giving me tiktok stealth fetish content vibes lmao

[ImpressMeMuch]

28 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

 

 

 

POTY made you fume extra hard today huh

 

Lemme repost that historic moment one more time

im very happy for her but lets not forget that donald trump and elon musk are two of the most recent TIME Person of the Year winners lmao 

[Badgalbriel]

2 minutes ago, ImpressMeMuch said:

im very happy for her but lets not forget that donald trump and elon musk are two of the most recent TIME Person of the Year winners lmao 

And so are Barack Obama, the spirit of Ukraine, The Computer, You, The Women of America.... 

[Rep2000]

59 minutes ago, Alexz said:

Hitler was TIME's person of the year too.

...And?!
 

[ImpressMeMuch]

Just now, Badgalbriel said:

And so are Barack Obama, the spirit of Ukraine, The Computer, You, The Women of America.... 

this is true, and it's very cool that she's the first artist of this nature 

 

those two stains on america being in the list just cheapens it all a bit

[Tropez]

1 hour ago, Alexz said:

Hitler was TIME's person of the year too.

You were also Times Person of the Year in 2006. 

[Lemon]

1 hour ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

They were not great singers. They were ok, but clearly not on the level of the Arethas, the Elvis', and Motown in general that ruled before

But obviously, having good songs is actually what is primary thing if you want songs to have a reach. What is a good voice without music that sticks? They have great songs and that also reflects talent in music. 
Fixating on singing alone in music is just one drop in the sea actually. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Lemon

[AvadaKedavra]

I have a question. How she was able to build her first audience. Im talkin about the Debut and Fearless era.
Cause i remember how she also had a very loyal fanbase in that time. It just grew up with time
Was taylor really well-connected to the fans in that time? cause thats where everything started
how was her relationship with the fans at the beggining of her career

Edited December 6, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[Badgalbriel]

30 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

I have a question. How she was able to build her first audience. Im talkin about the Debut and Fearless era.
Cause i remember how she also had a very loyal fanbase in that time. It just grew up with time
Was taylor really well-connected to the fans in that time? cause thats where everything started
how was her relationship with the fans at the beggining of her career

Good music

[StonedSoulPicnic]

36 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

I have a question. How she was able to build her first audience. Im talkin about the Debut and Fearless era.
Cause i remember how she also had a very loyal fanbase in that time. It just grew up with time
Was taylor really well-connected to the fans in that time? cause thats where everything started
how was her relationship with the fans at the beggining of her career

She built a following via Myspace. She talks about social media in this interview.

This article explains her marketing plan.

https://ew.com/article/2008/02/05/taylor-swifts-road-fame/

[HEAVYONIT]

The only impact Taylor has made on music was showing the power of re-recording her albums and making country music “cool” again when her debut album was released. Musically, she hasn’t done anything innovative that has shifted the course of music. 

[Digitalism]

It's funny how once this and houdini threads were created the conversation died down.

It seems like users just want to spam to troll but don't really care about the discussion.

Also the users that make the same threads everyday complaining about this 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Digitalism

[alexrex]

4 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

Why would she be the peak of what an artist can achieve? Art is subjective, so that question will never be answered. 

That's what the thread was asking. 

 

Look, I respect Taylor for what she's achieved as a woman in this industry. She's doing all these stadium shows and breaking records left and right, that's great. That should be applauded. 

 

But I just wanna say I'm pissed when people (including many of her fans) start diminishing other artists' achievements while praising Taylor. That's why I was asking what's the ultimate peak for an artist. And I think you are right, it's subjective. Not everything has to be about money and charts exclusively. 

 

So good for Taylor, but she's not on top of anyone as an artist. She's on so many other artists shoulders that paved the way for her. 

[americanshameless]

3 hours ago, Alexz said:

Hitler was TIME's person of the year too.

[GagaChina]

lol

[Badgalbriel]

2 hours ago, HEAVYONIT said:

The only impact Taylor has made on music was showing the power of re-recording her albums and making country music “cool” again when her debut album was released. Musically, she hasn’t done anything innovative that has shifted the course of music. 

You literally just named two very impressive feats.... 

What has any other female artist from the last decade done to shift the course of music? 

The only one I can think of is Beyoncé with the Friday release. Other than that, nothing. 

[Raspberries]

3 hours ago, HEAVYONIT said:

The only impact Taylor has made on music was showing the power of re-recording her albums and making country music “cool” again when her debut album was released. Musically, she hasn’t done anything innovative that has shifted the course of music. 

Saying this as a Nicki fan  

[Achilles.]

3 hours ago, AvadaKedavra said:

I have a question. How she was able to build her first audience. Im talkin about the Debut and Fearless era.
Cause i remember how she also had a very loyal fanbase in that time. It just grew up with time
Was taylor really well-connected to the fans in that time? cause thats where everything started
how was her relationship with the fans at the beggining of her career

In terms of building her appeal to the general audience, it was a lot of hustle in the early years—necessary for any artist, but especially when you’re the first and only artist on a start-up label. She drove all around the country to do radio interviews to build those relationships and get airplay, personally helped mail her single CDs to the radio stations, did all the interviews and appearances she could get. 
 

In terms of building a lasting fan base, she’s always been extremely clever with social media—from Myspace to twitter to instagram to tumblr to tiktok. But it’s never been just an internet thing. She’s always randomly selected fans to meet her at concerts (as opposed to selling meet and greets)—only stopping with the Eras Tour due to lingering concerns about covid and because of how demanding the show is on her. But one of the defining events of her earlier career was a free meet and greet in the summer of 2010 (pre-Speak Now announcement) that was scheduled to last 13 hours and ended up running quite a bit overtime. That sort of dedication defines her relationship with fans, and won her countless lifelong devotees. 
 

I’d say she was more open and accessible back then, even through the rep era on tumblr. She was very much a frequent casual poster on whatever social media platform she favored at the time. Nowadays it’s mostly only ever career-related content, though still full of her typical personality. 

[Strawberry Bubble]

16 hours ago, Wolf Alice said:

This itself right here is delusion if you think social media has less reach than 600 million TVs  I'm gonna assume the rest of your big essay is equally useless for present day scenario.

I can't believe that I have to explain this: I'm talking about how much visibility an individual social media user can actually get. Take Taylor, for example; she has 278 million followers on Instagram. But the vast majority of those people either don't interact with her content, are bots, or simply aren't aware of what she posts, or even if they are, they don't engage. This is just to illustrate how appearing on TV or on the radio in the past gave artists a much wider audience compared to what they can achieve now. And that's just MTV, imagine TV statistics overall, along with the radio. 

 

But, most importantly, you'd encounter content about artists like Britney or Adele whether you were interested in them or not. The media and radio would essentially break into your bubble, playing their songs almost everywhere, not just in the U.S. Today, people tend to stick to their own music on platforms like Spotify, and everyone seems confined within their own social media bubble. This is why many people feel that artists like Britney or Adele were much bigger in the past - they had a larger platform to reach audiences, regardless of whether individuals were interested in them or not. You couldn't avoid them. 

 

As for the other points I mentioned: it's okay, it is not like you could effectively answer all the information I gave you. I had to explain basic concepts to you like two or three times. 

 

 

 

[byzantium]

4 hours ago, AvadaKedavra said:

I have a question. How she was able to build her first audience. Im talkin about the Debut and Fearless era.
Cause i remember how she also had a very loyal fanbase in that time. It just grew up with time
Was taylor really well-connected to the fans in that time? cause thats where everything started
how was her relationship with the fans at the beggining of her career

Taylor promoted the heII out of debut.  That album sold 6 million copies in the US out of blood and sweat.  And during this time she put effort into connecting and encouraging engagement that just grew into her career today.  I would say it is similar to Lady gaga in 2009 who also built a very strong fanbase.