celeb news Pollstar: Taylor Swift is biggest dominating artist in culture since prime MJ/Madonna

[tomo]

Or you can just stay in the Britney base? 

[Bears01]

21 and Thriller>>>she’s up there though 

[Kristie Kuwa]

Swiftologist? Really? Thats what u guys call yourselves? Jeeezz... 

 

Anyway, points were made. He's right.

[Monster Queen]

53 minutes ago, alexrex said:

What is the long lasting real life impact of an artist like Taylor Swift in culture? 

 

Let's get real for a second. What we can see is that she's achieved a level of success because she is a skillful master of business. She has succeeded to sell her narrative in a way not many have done before. Monetary speaking, yes, she is on top of her game. 

 

But as an artist, when it comes to her craft, how is she the peak of what an artist can achieve? 

Who knows? If you mean the impact on the music, she is still only 33, and just like that there are already several new-generation artists that admit to being influenced by her. Even Ed Sheeran, the biggest male artist (used to be) copied her path (but failed miserably), and Beyonce is copying her way of releasing movies as well. She has broken lots of industry rules, becoming the "first female" of lots of records. She has proved that a woman can actually gather a bunch of people to see her live, and easily sell out 150 stadiums all over the world, not a band, not a male, but as a single woman. From this perspective, she is representing the woman's power

 

For the "cultural" impact, she does influence a bunch of white girls. And most importantly, she represents them. She is going to be the most successful singer-songwriter, or she already is. Her songs are focused on her personal life, which is different from any other mainstream artist. But literally, who cares? The whole "culture impact" thing is overestimated and overrated in ATRL. Cause in real life, outside of the stan world, GP won't pay attention to such ****. 99% of artists claimed to have a cultural impact here are just lies. I mean what is Gaga's cultural impact in 2023? Rihanna? Katy? Adele? Mariah? Celine? Does GP still follow Briteny's look? Is BLM won't happen if Beyonce didn't speak on it? On the other hand, Taylor is moving REAL people. People are calling their grandmothers to help them get a ticket, and even big company like TicketMaster is crumbling and getting investigated because of her power. The presidents of different countries are begging her to visting. 100 year later, when all her peers are all forgotten, people will surprisedly find that there is a female artist who became Times Person of the Year, along with names like Putin, Trump, Elon Mask and Obama. Her career trajectory, the way she successfully changed genres multiple times, the ways she managed to repeak and repeak and repeak, and her songwriting style, will be studied by the whole industry in the future. That's real ******* legacy, not wigs or "iconic look" that will be forgotten after two years, darling 
 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Monster Queen

[byzantium]

If you don’t want to see Taylor threads, then maybe don’t log onto a pop-culture music forum.  This seems like an OTH problem, not an ATRL problem.   

Edited December 6, 2023 by byzantium

[Hector]

Yes, the endless and ridiculous circlejerk of praise and idol worship can go there. 

[Velvet Night]

I completely agree with him. I love Taylor, but imo no one should accumulate this amount of wealth. There’s just no need for someone to have this much money. She could make such a difference in the world with money that she would never miss.

[Richie.Valdez]

What does OTH means?  off the hook? 

 

[TaylorNation]

maybe OTH should not stan semi-retired pop stars 

 

[~Start The Music]

water is wet

[LastGreatBloodline]

how many threads like this are people gonna make? it's always the same fans praising and the same haters with their lame ass drags.  

taylor the second biggest female after madonna? taylor bigger than madonna? 

taylor vs (insert artists): bigger peak?

ENOUGH

[GlamSlam]

No.  MJ's peak was 1987/88.

 

Madonna 1986/87

[cat1867]

It's the responsibility of the government to tax rich people to prevent people from becoming billionaires. I don't think it would have been more ethical for Taylor to stop touring and releasing music to avoid the magical billionaire label.

 

Taylor's money largely comes from touring and streaming. For her tours, she gives ridiculous amounts of bonuses (50K-100K bonuses to workers)  in addition to regular pay .  I would love to get exploited like that.

 

Also, no one has a good idea how much Taylor actually donates anymore since she stopped publicizing after people accused every donation of being a pr stunt. She might have donated enough to no longer be a billionaire, forbes wouldn't know. 

 

But more likely, she plans to donate her money over several years. For truly rich people, donating money  becomes a fulltime job as they want their donations to actually make a difference to the world and that takes care and precesion.

 

 

[Dear Reader]

Weren’t you the one complaining to ATRL Administration you were tired of seeing Taylor related threads and you go and open one yourself? 

[naval23]

I think the Swifties would get bored praising Taylor to each other so ironically it would improve traffic and flooding ATRL

[Into The Void]

Why do u care if others agree or not?  People r mostly just annoyed how obnoxious Swifties have become. Be humble.

[C-Amber]

Everyone saying being a billionaire is bad, but non of you will reject being a billionaire, and if you had that money you'll never let it go.

[Goaty]

52 minutes ago, swissman said:

It's possible, and certainly in THIS era it is the biggest peak insofar as numbers go, but I think what stops it from outright being "the biggest peak ever" is that her numbers are impressive due to the time she is at her peak.

 

If this were the 1950s, for example, she'd be nowhere near as numerically big (if comparing her to herself today, not necessarily other artists from the 1950s). The same can basically be said for any time before streaming, where album sales are now inflated by being compromised of both physicals (released in many multiples to get fans buying as many as they can) and daily streams as that is the main way people listen to music nowadays. In her case, being a very commercial, relatable and well managed artist, this has her seeing big success.

 

Of course, fans willing to buy albums in this time is no small feat, but we can't say that Beatles or Michael Jackson fans would not have acted the same way if they had the same avenues of consumption and commodities offered to them, and a key difference in their times is that once you buy an album, your statistical contributions to the artist stops until you buy another. You can go back and listen to their discography a thousand times, and still those individual album sales are all that is counted. Now, Taylor's fans and the GP can go listen to her entire discography at a whim, and any interaction contributes to another fraction of a sale, which in totality, adds up to more millions that someone like The Beatles or Michael Jackson never could achieve without consumption rules as we have today.

 

 

I agree. No doubt this will be cataloged among the biggest peaks in music, but to definitively conclude it is *the* biggest implies we can fairly compare peaks across wildly different eras of music consumption, which is just not true. 
 

 

[Jay07]

Just make one Taylor is the biggest artist in the history of recorded music megathread so they can circle jerk in there, it's tiring seeing the same thread 3 times a day. I'm counting 3 threads containing the words "Taylor" and "biggest" on the front page right now, I've never seen a fanbase more in need of validation in my life.

[vale9001]

She always has been desperate to be part of Beyoncè club of celebrities relevant in the circle of high profile journalists, politicians and intellectuals. She used her wedding to Kanye to try to get there but Beyoncè didn't even invite her at her wedding. She invited Taylor at her premiere and went to Taylors one with public posts about that. 

 

 

She has been desperate to became someone with a respected profile and impact on politics and something more than just someone pays a team to put her name on underwears (again she used Kanye relationship with Trump to going at the White House for something about the  prison reforms whatever...that wasn't  going anywhere mediatically cause really and she left it). 

 

She got GQ man of the year cover (okaaaaay) while Taylor become Time Person of the year. Basically the cultural-historical and social high profile recognition the selfie queen for some very inexplicable reason at some point thought (and dramatically maybe she still thinks) she deserved.

 

Do you think she is mad about it while reading these scripts for some cable tv shows no one talks about anymore?. Do you think her delusional era is over? 

 

Discuss. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by vale9001

[ImpressMeMuch]

congratulations on making yet another taylor thread

[Jay07]

24 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

So you agree, she's the biggest? 

If that's your takeaway and main concern, you have my validation. she's the biggest artist commercially out there right now, obviously. Thanks for proving my point, I guess.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Jay07

[GoatGly]

1 hour ago, Monster Queen said:

You forget #1 Billboard Year-end artist, BBMA AOTY, VMA VOTY, #1 IFPI artist of 2023 (for sure), AOTY of Spotify/Amazon/Apple Music, and two 1.5 million + debut albums in a single year, 15M+ SPS in the USA, and the first entertained to enter Forbes Top 5 most powerful woman 

Biggest and best artist of all time that’s mother fr

[Feanor]

No. An entertainer covering TIME's POTY issue is a historic achievement, probably the biggest thing one can achieve in the magazine world, so it's rightfully taking over ATRL. 

[Richie.Valdez]

5 minutes ago, Dear Reader said:

Weren’t you the one complaining to ATRL Administration you were tired of seeing Taylor related threads and you go and open one yourself? 

Just like when someone complains about being dumped multiple times and then goes and make a career out of it. Keep the ball rolling