base talk Has Shakira surpassed Madonna longevity wise?

[shakeyourbombom]

On 12/16/2023 at 3:56 PM, Eternium said:

The desperation to be a victim. We all know you’re only pretending to support Shakira because the Lady Gaga stan in you hates Madonna  

 

PD sold 3.7M and Thieves sold 4.38M. But we’re arguing that Madonna has no longevity because her 11th album American Life did 3.375M, COADF did 9.325M, Hard Candy did 3.65M, MDNA did 1.85M, Rebel Heart did 900k and Madame X did ~200k. And that’s ignoring any TEAs/SEAs for Madonna.

I didn’t say she wasn’t successful. I said that if you consider a first studio album selling 3.7M to be a sign of longevity, then how can we exclude a 12th studio album selling 9.325M and say that’s not successful?

It sold more than 3.7M

1M in Colombia + 1M in US + 1.2M in Brazil that’s already 3.2M

I still haven’t counted Argentina, Mexico, Spain etc.

 

I didn’t say Madonna isn’t successful. I was pointing out your fault.

[readytowind]

11 hours ago, shakeyourbombom said:

It sold more than 3.7M

1M in Colombia + 1M in US + 1.2M in Brazil that’s already 3.2M

I still haven’t counted Argentina, Mexico, Spain etc.

 

I didn’t say Madonna isn’t successful. I was pointing out your fault.

Don't inflate the number. It didn't sell over 1.2 million in brazil.

[readytowind]

11 hours ago, shakeyourbombom said:

It sold more than 3.7M

1M in Colombia + 1M in US + 1.2M in Brazil that’s already 3.2M

I still haven’t counted Argentina, Mexico, Spain etc.

 

I didn’t say Madonna isn’t successful. I was pointing out your fault.

22 years into her career, the queen of pop sold her album over 9.5 million., which beats your favorite any album she released. 

So don't even try. In the 90s the sales market was a lot bigger than 2000s too.

By seeing that your favorites number is honestly mediocre. Of course she would do well in some countries in south america. In the us, a platinum in the 90s is just an easy certification game.

So don't even try.

Your favorite have never been to a successful level near the queen of pop. It's getting ridiculous to see comparisons.

Of course your favorite loves Madonna , her idol, so much and had to come to her concert in 2006 and 2015 with picke to bow down and kiss her ass.

So don't even try.

Edited December 18, 2023 by readytowind

[sickofwaitingtables]

Even though I know most of these posts are made for fun, I just want to point out what a trailblazer Madonna is. 

 

I remember so vividly the media and the GP attacking Madonna or/and debating whether she should retire, stop being a pop star or tone down the SeXiNnEss when she was 47(!). 

 

Now pop singers like J-Lo and Shakira are doing their thing and nobody bats an eye. 

 

Madonna knows this and that's the battle she's chosen for herself after the 2010s. 

 

As for the longevity, it's funny to me that people bend over backwards to call her irrelevant. Well, if she is, why waste your time stating that? 

[Red Hot Moon]

1 hour ago, sickofwaitingtables said:

 

1. Pies Descalzos and DELL are among the best selling Latin albums of all time.

2. To reach Platinum in pure sales in the US for a Latin album is a big accomplishment, especially for a new artist.

3. The market for pure sales in Latin America was dead in the 90's, bc the economy was down. People were buying pirated copies instead.

 

We all know Madonna was a trailblazer and her longevity is unmatched, the same could be said for Shakira as a Latin artist.

Edited December 19, 2023 by Red Hot Moon

[sickofwaitingtables]

11 hours ago, Red Hot Moon said:

1. Pies Descalzos and DELL are among the best selling Latin albums of all time.

2. To reach Platinum in pure sales in the US for a Latin album is a big accomplishment, especially for a new artist.

3. The market for pure sales in Latin America was dead in the 90's, bc the economy was down. People were buying pirated copies instead.

 

We all know Madonna was a trailblazer and her longevity is unmatched, the same could be said for Shakira as a Latin artist.

Yeah, I totally agree that Shakira's longevity is incredible, especially in Latin America but even in Europe. I didn't imply that, it was just some comments about Madonna's relevance ending in 2009, that got me thinking. 

[readytowind]

15 hours ago, sickofwaitingtables said:

Even though I know most of these posts are made for fun, I just want to point out what a trailblazer Madonna is. 

 

I remember so vividly the media and the GP attacking Madonna or/and debating whether she should retire, stop being a pop star or tone down the SeXiNnEss when she was 47(!). 

 

Now pop singers like J-Lo and Shakira are doing their thing and nobody bats an eye. 

 

Madonna knows this and that's the battle she's chosen for herself after the 2010s. 

 

As for the longevity, it's funny to me that people bend over backwards to call her irrelevant. Well, if she is, why waste your time stating that? 

Exactly. Haters and the hostile media called her grandma Eben in the 90s when she was on the Girlie show tour at her peak and at the age of 35.

They are sick and have been that way always. Agism and misogyny. So much stupidity. 

[Psyduck]

Shakira's mainstream career as a contemporary hitmaker outside of the Latino market died after that horrible self-titled album. And I guess the Zootopia song was big with kids.

 

Yes, I know she charted in the Top 10 on Billboard this year. But that was because of how huge of a % of America is now Latino. America as a whole was not listening to her.

 

So while in the Latino market she has definitely surpassed pretty much anyone else in terms of longetivy, outside of that? Absolutely not. And it's nowhere compared to what Madonna achieved. Madonna not only has 3x her units, but Madonna was a truly GLOBAL hitmaker for 25 years straight. From "Holiday" to "4 Minutes". An uninterrupted line of hits. Even during her low periods she was still getting hits, 'American Life' had "Die Another Day" from 2002 and then "Me Against the Music" came out in 2003. Even after that she still had a hit here and there, "Celebration" had great peaks in Europe and "Give Me All Your Luvin'" was a hit for about two weeks.

 

Being a truly GLOBAL hitmaker for 25 years >>> Being a hitmaker only in a specific market (in Shakira's case, Spanish-speakers) for slightly longer

 

Edited December 20, 2023 by Psyduck

[G.U.Y.]

On 12/9/2023 at 7:12 PM, Great808 said:

Shakira stayed in her lane and to her ethnic audience

"Stayed in her lane" = from Estoy Aquí to Whenever, Wherever to Hips Don't Lie to She Wolf to Bzrp Music Sessions...

 

"Her ethnic audience" = So... Madonna's audience is composed of aliens? Ghosts? White people also have ethnicity.

[Eternium]

On 12/17/2023 at 8:28 PM, shakeyourbombom said:

It sold more than 3.7M

1M in Colombia + 1M in US + 1.2M in Brazil that’s already 3.2M

I still haven’t counted Argentina, Mexico, Spain etc.

 

I didn’t say Madonna isn’t successful. I was pointing out your fault.

First, these numbers aren’t right. 1.15M in the U.S., 800k in Brazil and 450k in Colombia.

 

And no, you misread my post and thought it was an attack on Shakira. I’m not saying that Shakira wasn’t successful in 1996 - I’m saying that the posters in here can’t claim that Shakira had more longevity by stating Madonna was “over by the 90s” when her 12th studio album was almost tripling what was considered successful for Shakira’s debut album.

On 12/16/2023 at 1:05 PM, Mystic Boy said:

You're deeply deeply sick man

Babe, you’re probably the most transparent user here. At least put a little more effort in.

[John Slayne]

Madonna just had a hit this year and is currently on a sold-out tour. 

[spree]

Madonna did the Superbowl in 2012 tho, and had a Top 10, and had multiple sold out tours after that.  This post is dumb. 

[VioletsandRoses]

Lmao. She can only get a hit with collabs or local Latam hits. Her album sales are mostly flops 

[Mystic Boy]

6 hours ago, Eternium said:

First, these numbers aren’t right. 1.15M in the U.S., 800k in Brazil and 450k in Colombia.

 

And no, you misread my post and thought it was an attack on Shakira. I’m not saying that Shakira wasn’t successful in 1996 - I’m saying that the posters in here can’t claim that Shakira had more longevity by stating Madonna was “over by the 90s” when her 12th studio album was almost tripling what was considered successful for Shakira’s debut album.

Babe, you’re probably the most transparent user here. At least put a little more effort in.

You're so pathetic,and the fact you think you're this smart when you're an embarrassing big joke known by everyone here  Imagine how dumb you can be for thinking I'm a Madonna hater when all i did was highlighting your blatant bigotry downplaying Shakira latin success at the beginning of her career

Also,you probably thinking that putting a Madonna avatar is some kind of "trick" from me? "hiding" behind Madonna kind of bullshit? oh my

[Lover]

On 12/9/2023 at 11:06 PM, Katamari said:

Madonna got a hit in 2023 tho  and a hit compilation release as well

[vuelve88]

7 hours ago, Mystic Boy said:

all i did was highlighting your blatant bigotry downplaying Shakira latin success at the beginning of her career

 

I agree. Eternium is being willfully oblivious, acting as if Shakira's early albums didn't dominate the market they were intended for.  It doesn't make sense to compare two different albums that have completely different markets and audience potential. 

 

Shakira's 1996 "Pies Descalzos" album and its singles did as well as a Spanish language album could have done at the time, and was considered a big success for its market. She was already doing ads for Pepsi in 1998. You could find her face on Pepsi cans throughout Latin America. 

 

 

 

 

It was commonly understood that to pull album numbers like English language artists, you would need to release an English album. Eternium is acting like Shakira should have been magically getting Shania Twain "Come On Over" level album sales. 

[ThinkLater]

in south america only lol

 

she was only a thing outside there for 3 4 hits in the 00s-2010 be real

Edited December 20, 2023 by ThinkLater

[DestroyAndSmile]

On 12/20/2023 at 1:30 AM, Psyduck said:

Shakira's mainstream career as a contemporary hitmaker outside of the Latino market died after that horrible self-titled album. And I guess the Zootopia song was big with kids.

 

Yes, I know she charted in the Top 10 on Billboard this year. But that was because of how huge of a % of America is now Latino. America as a whole was not listening to her.

 

So while in the Latino market she has definitely surpassed pretty much anyone else in terms of longetivy, outside of that? Absolutely not. And it's nowhere compared to what Madonna achieved. Madonna not only has 3x her units, but Madonna was a truly GLOBAL hitmaker for 25 years straight. From "Holiday" to "4 Minutes". An uninterrupted line of hits. Even during her low periods she was still getting hits, 'American Life' had "Die Another Day" from 2002 and then "Me Against the Music" came out in 2003. Even after that she still had a hit here and there, "Celebration" had great peaks in Europe and "Give Me All Your Luvin'" was a hit for about two weeks.

 

Being a truly GLOBAL hitmaker for 25 years >>> Being a hitmaker only in a specific market (in Shakira's case, Spanish-speakers) for slightly longer

 

Chantaje went platinum in Germany and plenty of other European countries. Truly local to the Latino market.

[readytowind]

The queen of pop got a hit tour this year at 65 after 4 decades  

The comparison is pathetic.

Shakira can sell out how many outside Latin market??

She's nowhere near.

The queen of pop has the biggest and longest successful career in pop.

Don't you dare 

Edited December 22, 2023 by readytowind

[Psyduck]

1 hour ago, DestroyAndSmile said:

Chantaje went platinum in Germany and plenty of other European countries. Truly local to the Latino market.

Please, that song was not huge in continental Europe. Streaming age has totally changed what certifications are worth. It was at best a minor hit with the Spanish-speaking diaspora. Whereas Madonna was getting SMASH hits playing everywhere globally at the same point like Music, Hung Up, 4 Minutes.

[shakeyourbombom]

On 12/20/2023 at 12:40 AM, Eternium said:

First, these numbers aren’t right. 1.15M in the U.S., 800k in Brazil and 450k in Colombia.

 

And no, you misread my post and thought it was an attack on Shakira. I’m not saying that Shakira wasn’t successful in 1996 - I’m saying that the posters in here can’t claim that Shakira had more longevity by stating Madonna was “over by the 90s” when her 12th studio album was almost tripling what was considered successful for Shakira’s debut album.

Babe, you’re probably the most transparent user here. At least put a little more effort in.

I’m just saying your numbers are not right

450K in Colombia? It has a Diamond certification. 1.2M in Brazil was reported by Billboard twice. 

[shakeyourbombom]

On 12/18/2023 at 2:01 PM, readytowind said:

Don't inflate the number. It didn't sell over 1.2 million in brazil.

Tell Billboard that.

[shakeyourbombom]

On 12/18/2023 at 2:09 PM, readytowind said:

. In the us, a platinum in the 90s is just an easy certification game.

Only 3 female singers own at least 1 Spanish albums with over 1 million sales, they are Selena, Gloria Estefan and Shakira.

Shakira is the only one with multiple.

[shakeyourbombom]

On 12/20/2023 at 12:30 AM, Psyduck said:

Shakira's mainstream career as a contemporary hitmaker outside of the Latino market died after that horrible self-titled album. And I guess the Zootopia song was big with kids.

 

Yes, I know she charted in the Top 10 on Billboard this year. But that was because of how huge of a % of America is now Latino. America as a whole was not listening to her.

After the Self-Titled album, she keeps getting certifications from the UK, Germany, US, France (3 Diamond singles), Spain, Italy, Austria, Belgium, Hungary, Switzerland, Canada, Portugal, Poland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway etc.

France - a no.2 this decade; 3 Diamond singles since Self Titled

US - two top 10s in 2023

Italy - a no.1 in 2023

Spain - 3 no.1s in 2023; broke the Spotify record with almost 4M streams in a day

Switzerland - a no.2 and no.5 singles in 2023

Portugal - a no.2 single this year

 

For your second paragraph, then why didn’t Xtina and JLo’s Spanish singles make any noise?

Edited December 22, 2023 by shakeyourbombom

[shakeyourbombom]

3 hours ago, Psyduck said:

Please, that song was not huge in continental Europe. Streaming age has totally changed what certifications are worth. It was at best a minor hit with the Spanish-speaking diaspora. Whereas Madonna was getting SMASH hits playing everywhere globally at the same point like Music, Hung Up, 4 Minutes.

The Chantaje’s certifications speak for itself. It even became the first Spanish female song to earn a certification in the UK, a country where only focuses on music in English.