celeb news Taylor Swift is TIME Magazine's "Person of the Year"

[Bosque]

56 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said:

You could tell by the reactions of the real journalists in this MSNBC segment how silly they think this choice is.  Literal mocking and laughter.  

 

 

 

56 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said:

 

the Editor-and-Chief of Time Magazine

Editor-in-chief* 

just thought you should know since you’re such a fan of real journalism 

Edited December 7, 2023 by Dephira

[Jay07]

6 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

Her music. Good music, good lyrics, writing that forges a sense of community and connection. That causes the sales, that causes the headlines, that causes the awards, that causes things like being named person of the year. The foundation of her success is not success itself, or success for its own sake, but the music that she makes that brings countless people worldwide connection and joy.

Ok but beyond that, she's not the only one who makes personal music? Even Lana, SZA from this year make similarly intimate music. Don't you think she's shrewd in manipulating her fans and situations to her advantage? It's not a bad thing, it's clearly brought her a lot of success and wealth. To say Taylor has become a billionaire because she makes good music is a little naive. She's ruthlessly cynical about pursuing success at all costs, isn't she?

[PoisonedIvy]

1 hour ago, BlueTimberwolf said:

You could tell by the reactions of the real journalists in this MSNBC segment how silly they think this choice is.  Literal mocking and laughter.   

 

 

When Zelensky won last year, the Editor-and-Chief of Time Magazine came on Morning Joe to talk about their selection. They do it every year.  This year, it looked like a hostage video.  

 

 

 

I just watched this video and there’s no mockery at all??  But whatever narrative you wanna push I guess. I think all of the journalists discussed it in a well rounded way and really rationalized the selection for any viewers who might not have understood. The consensus they land on is that she is literally the best choice of a public figure that isn’t a directly political nominee.

Edited December 7, 2023 by PoisonedIvy

[Cruel Summer]

Just now, Jay07 said:

Ok but beyond that, she's not the only one who makes personal music? Even Lana, SZA from this year make similarly intimate music. Don't you think she's shrewd in manipulating her fans and situations to her advantage? It's not a bad thing, it's clearly brought her a lot of success and wealth. To say Taylor has become a billionaire because she makes good music is a little naive. She's ruthlessly cynical about pursuing success at all costs, isn't she?

I think she’s an intelligent and ambitious businesswoman, yes, and I’m certain that helps her. I have no illusions about whether she wants it or not, trust me - I like her more because she wants it all and she wants it openly. It remains true, however, that no artist in the world - even those with similarly confessional writing, or more poetic lyricism, or similar ambitions - has music that is connecting with people on the scale that Taylor’s is right now. I think that part of that is something unique to her writing, specifically. Maybe we can say it’s the combination of her business and marketing approach with that music that’s made her career into this lightning-in-a-bottle epic scale thing, but the music is still a core piece of it. If it wasn’t due in large part to the music itself, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Making material that is bad or even merely passable wouldn’t get even the most shrewd, calculating, and singularly focused artist meaningfully far in terms of success.

[PoisonedIvy]

6 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Ok but beyond that, she's not the only one who makes personal music? Even Lana, SZA from this year make similarly intimate music. Don't you think she's shrewd in manipulating her fans and situations to her advantage? It's not a bad thing, it's clearly brought her a lot of success and wealth. To say Taylor has become a billionaire because she makes good music is a little naive. She's ruthlessly cynical about pursuing success at all costs, isn't she?

She’s the only artist who has built a universe around her music. There are heroes, villains, recurring characters, developing plot lines, etc. Ask a Taylor fan which songs are about which friend or family member or romantic partner and they’ll have an answer for every single song in her catalogue. Ask a SZA or Lana fan those same questions and not every song will net you a response. You can mock that if you want but it’s the answer to your question. Taylor has crafted enough interest in the origins of her music that her dedicated listeners invest themselves to those lengths. 

[nostalgic]

12 hours ago, Michael196 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely beautiful  the way she's serving Lydia Tár in the suit pic 

[Jessie]

4 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:

I think her record-breaking commercial success came for the same reasons and from the same things as what led to her being named Person of the Year. Her numbers are an effect, not a cause; a symptom, not a source.

Feel free to think that but as people keep saying, she’s an entertainer not a politician; her job is to entertain! Nothing she has done has been attributable to being named Person of the Year outside the unprecedented commercial success wrought in the entertainment industry throughout 2023 and as a clickbait celebrity figure that she has oiled down to a fine machine, one feeding into the other. Whether you think that she has some inalienable qualities that got her there or not doesn’t really matter.
 

And as her toe curling interview shows she hasn’t got really much to say outside that perspective either, nothing wise or intuitive to say about the world today or powerful stance to take other than how her story of bruised ego applies to it and something once again about haters and her capitalist success being a good thing for women’s stories — there’s really nothing else at the root of it but numbers and being the biggest American export in music since Michael Jackson.

[BlueTimberwolf]

31 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

I just watched this video and there’s no mockery at all??  But whatever narrative you wanna push I guess. I think all of the journalists discussed it in a well rounded way and really rationalized the selection for any viewers who might not have understood. The consensus they land on is that she is literally the best choice of a public figure that isn’t a directly political nominee.

You didn't hear the laughs, snickers, and literal quote "This says something about where we are.....but good for her!!" in the video? Swifites denying literal reality to kiss her butt.  They gave her kudos at the end for being popular and "a good role model", because the choice wasn't even worth engaging critically.  

[Cruel Summer]

9 minutes ago, Jessie said:

Feel free to think that but as people keep saying, she’s an entertainer not a politician; her job is to entertain! Nothing she has done has been attributable to being named Person of the Year outside the unprecedented commercial success wrought in the entertainment industry throughout 2023 and as a clickbait celebrity figure that she has oiled down to a fine machine, one feeding into the other. Whether you think that she has some inalienable qualities that got her there or not doesn’t really matter.
 

And as her toe curling interview shows she hasn’t got really much to say outside that perspective either, nothing wise or intuitive to say about the world today or powerful stance to take other than how her story of bruised ego applies to it and something once again about haters and her capitalist success being a good thing for women’s stories — there’s really nothing else at the root of it but numbers and being the biggest American export in music since Michael Jackson.

By reducing this to “because the numbers!” I believe that you are knowingly leaving out the people behind those numbers and thereby intentionally missing the entire point.

[elincomprendid]

7 hours ago, PoisonedIvy said:

Stans don’t argue about it because it’s beyond the scope of most of our favs. It’s like stans don’t argue about Nobel Peace Prizes either but that doesn’t mean it’s not a notorious indicator of global impact.. 

next aim, Nobel prize in Literature 

 

gotta catch them all!

[Lemon]

6 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said:

You didn't hear the laughs, snickers, and literal quote "This says something about where we are.....but good for her!!" in the video? Swifites denying literal reality to kiss her butt.  They gave her kudos at the end for being popular and "a good role model", because the choice wasn't even worth engaging critically.  

Interesting enough you also choose to deny reality and act negative towards her every time just to take dig at her ( I mean, you here try to discredit this achievement by pushing notion that people don’t think she deserves it  ), so yeah, your interpretations are invalid ( and false while at that ). 

Edited December 7, 2023 by Lemon

[PoisonedIvy]

3 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said:

You didn't hear the laughs, snickers, and literal quote "This says something about where we are.....but good for her!!" in the video? Swifites denying literal reality to kiss her butt.  They gave her kudos at the end for being popular and "a good role model", because the choice wasn't even worth engaging critically.  

I did hear those things and yet I also heard the eloquent response when someone asked their colleague to defend the choice.
 

They weren’t asking for a rebuttal because of dissent, they were literally just doing what reporters do — give context behind world events to the viewers. The statement “this says something about where we are” on its own might sound demeaning but when you couple it with the final conclusion of “it doesn’t always have to be a political choice, and she is a positive role model, a successful business woman, unifying subject that acts as a distraction from global tragedies” I’m led to believe they genuinely believe the world is so dark that it’s nice to have some good news for once, but that was just my takeaway and you’re welcome to your own. I personally don’t think the tone of the discussion was mockery 

[PoisonedIvy]

Taylor Swift having “nothing wise or intuitive to say about the world today” sure is an interesting take. What they really mean is “Taylor isn’t using her platform in the way I personally want her to so I’m going to insinuate that she is naive to the world’s issues.” Meanwhile, the rest of us understand that entertainers exist as a means of escape from the atrocities of reality. Artists are not political figures or social reform activists, and they have no obligation to solve the world’s conflicts. That goes for every single artist, not just Taylor.

[BlueTimberwolf]

1 minute ago, PoisonedIvy said:

Taylor Swift having “nothing wise or intuitive to say about the world today” sure is an interesting take. What they really mean is “Taylor isn’t using her platform in the way I personally want her to so I’m going to insinuate that she is naive to the world’s issues.” Meanwhile, the rest of us understand that entertainers exist as a means of escape from the atrocities of reality. Artists are not political figures or social reform activists, and they have no obligation to solve the world’s conflicts. That goes for every single artist, not just Taylor.

Person of The Year is not supposed to be about celebrating an escape from reality.  It's the literal opposite. It's supposed to be a serious choice to be engaged with, and a time capsule for generations to look back on and understand what was happening in the world at the time. The choice of Taylor says nothing about the state of world in 2023.  It's just about her.  Even previously controversial choices 2006's "You" (the rise youtube/social media), Zuckerburg, and Greta Thunberg had more substance than this. 

 

Sam Altman actually had more real impact than Taylor, since his leadership in AI was a catalyst for the Hollywood Strikes, shifts in social media, and arguably will have greater impact on the music industry and copyright than Taylor will ever have. Her "impact" was media interest, and temporary economic booms similar to any other large event.  Oh, and "happiness and joy". 

[PoisonedIvy]

23 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said:

Person of The Year is not supposed to be about celebrating an escape from reality.  It's the literal opposite. It's supposed to be a serious choice to be engaged with, and a time capsule for generations to look back on and understand what was happening in the world at the time. The choice of Taylor says nothing about the state of world in 2023.  It's just about her.  Even previously controversial choices 2006's "You" (the rise youtube/social media), Zuckerburg, and Greta Thunberg had more substance than this. 

 

Sam Altman actually had more real impact than Taylor, since his leadership in AI was a catalyst for the Hollywood Strikes, shifts in social media, and arguably will have greater impact on the music industry and copyright than Taylor will ever have. Her "impact" was media interest, and temporary economic booms similar to any other large event.  Oh, and "happiness and joy". 

You’re right POTY isn’t about escaping reality, all I said was that -entertainers- help us escape reality. POTY embraces the reality that some figures are global icons each year in a way that transcends everything else, and to act as if Taylor didn’t transcend every other conversation this year (up until Israel-Palestine’s recent conflict which exploded after Taylor had already been chosen + shot her cover if my understanding is correct) is ludicrous. 

 

Let’s call a spade a spade: you don’t like Taylor Swift so you don’t want her to have this title. Sam is still being honored as the CEO of the year in this issue, and while I genuinely thought he was going to get the honor, it’s completely understandable that he didn’t: AI still has so much more room to grow. For all we know he could get it next year. Taylor has reached a pinnacle no other artist in history has reached (a billion dollar tour will probably never happen again, at least not for generations to come) and she probably won’t have a year this big again so who the hell cares if she gets this title at the apex of her very impressive career. The impact she’s having IS real, you just don’t like it  A rising tide lifts all ships. 

Edited December 7, 2023 by PoisonedIvy

[Dragonbeast]

13 hours ago, Infinite said:

Now that she is the person of the year she must talk about the genocide, war and all the killings that are happening right now.

I hope you know that Time's Person of the Year is NOT an appointed spokesperson.   How does the computer (which won the Person of the Year in 1982) talk about "the genocide, war and all the killings..."  if it were to win it in 2023???

 

 

[Dragonbeast]

3 hours ago, Taylor fanboy said:

Seeing “the Philippines” irks me so bad. Delete “the”.

 

OT: Should be Person Of The Year in Philippines too!

The Philippines is correct.  Do you say the United States or United States? The Philippines is derived from the abbreviation of "the Philippine islands".

[1989]

This is an incredible achievement, and well deserved. 
 

And not King Benji serving and stealing the spotlight like that 

[Goaty]

2 hours ago, BlueTimberwolf said:

Person of The Year is [...] supposed to be a serious choice to be engaged with, and a time capsule for generations to look back on and understand what was happening in the world at the time. 

 

No it isn't. The 75th Anniversary Edition released in 2002 says the selection is someone (or something) that has for 'better or for worse... [...] done the most to influence the events of the year." Taylor's historic year in music certainly fits this criteria. Your insistence that the pick must be serious in tone and content is your own interpretation that quite simply is not aligned with the standard that the... "Editor-and-Chief" is following.

[needs]

Those blue eyes are scary.

[chiliam]

5 hours ago, Jay07 said:

The cause of her popularity, like the person mentioned. I want to see what her fans think are the qualities that make her so popular.

In music, sometimes you dont need quality to be success short term.

But please name an artist that serve 15+ years smashing without quality. Literally cant. You need many things to maintain your success in this bussiness but theres no way you can do that without talent

 

[AxelFox]

A sign of the times, indeed.

 

Welcome to modern day, where everything is for everyone and anyone can be anything!

 

 

 

 

[Dolce Vita]

love the cover with her and her cat

[LikeaRebel]

I’ll never understand this woman’s popularity but congrats to her. 

[Austin]

This interview is AWFUL  and the photoshoot... What on earth is going on? Congrats though!