base talk Taylor's biggest innovation is the parasocial relationship. Agreed?

[eleganceislearned]

Yeah, I can see that. Others have done it before, but not to this extent. 

[Jay07]

Not Taylor supposedly popularizing singer songwriters. Poor Joni Mitchell.

[LOTF]

1 hour ago, Revolution said:

All once-in-a-generation stars have brought innovations to music.

 

The Beatles: popularized the album as an art form

Michael Jackson: popularized the music video as an art form with iconic dances

Madonna: broke down barriers for female performance art

 

I think Taylor's legacy will be the parasocial relationship. 

 

By dating (exes), befriending (squad) or feuding with (katy, kanye, scooter) famous people publicly and writing personal songs about them, she has made others feel that her exes are their exes, her friends are their friends and her enemies are their enemies. 

 

Do you agree?

 

 

Oh wow oh wow

When you put it like that 🤔

[Klein]

4 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Not Taylor supposedly popularizing singer songwriters. Poor Joni Mitchell.

Taylor grew in an industry dominated by Britney, Xtina, Beyoncé, Rihanna, etc. After her first imperial phase, the industry is now dominated by Billie, Olivia, SZA, etc. 

 

There's a clear shift between these two periods. And I'm not saying that Taylor is alone in this shift, but denying her influence in that transition is a straight up lie. 

[Badgalbriel]

1 hour ago, Revolution said:

We all listen to Taylor albums because we want to live her latest drama.

tbh, this is true and not true at the same time lol. Her music is like reading a book about a character. I listen to it religiously because it's constantly telling me a story. 

[Sannie]

She definitely redefined what it means to be in a parasocial relationship with her fans. That is why her fans are so dedicated to her. Her faux relationship and making her fans feel like she cares and is "just like them" is what makes her so popular among that crowd.

[Jay07]

28 minutes ago, Klein said:

Taylor grew in an industry dominated by Britney, Xtina, Beyoncé, Rihanna, etc. After her first imperial phase, the industry is now dominated by Billie, Olivia, SZA, etc. 

 

There's a clear shift between these two periods. And I'm not saying that Taylor is alone in this shift, but denying her influence in that transition is a straight up lie. 

It goes in cycles, always. 80s was the big popstars (Madonna, MJ) and the reaction to that was the indie and alternative scene of the 90s (Nirvana, Pixies) and the reaction to that was the teen pop wave. Then there was Gaga, Rihanna, Katy and the reaction to that was Adele, Lana and yes, Taylor. But it was bound to happen and now Tate will bring pop bangers back 

[flashfox]

She was smart in amassing a devoted following among America's biggest consumers, who live and breathe her

[Frozen99]

25 minutes ago, Sannie said:

She definitely redefined what it means to be in a parasocial relationship with her fans. That is why her fans are so dedicated to her. Her faux relationship and making her fans feel like she cares and is "just like them" is what makes her so popular among that crowd.

 

you guys are either blatantly hating or forgetful.

[AvadaKedavra]

So many of our pop girls have them but the different thing with Taylor is how she's still playing that game after so many decades and gets real connected to her fans
She listen to them. She gives them content all the time. She invites them to her house. Even if theyre annoying she's still showing them love
She never attackes them. One thing pivotal about her parasocial relationship success is.......
Taylor is relatable. Not like Beyonce or Madonna who are serving goddeses and larger than life figures cause theyre!!!
Taylor looks like another random person just with huge talent and just charming beautiful. She's not totally unreacheable.
Her life experiences are also very relatable and not only about her luxuries or empower all the time, so people connect to that.
She appeals to the life experiences of every human being. She tries even with her insane money status.
She's also very vulnerable with her lyrics. Some of the folklore lyrics are so melancholic and people love melancholy. 

I love Gaga but i feel like one of the reasons why she's not big anymore is cause she has distance now with a lot of her fandom and it doesnt feel the same.   I think she got traumatized with the "Yas gaga yas" lmfao

Katy treated her fans more like" fans" than friends and look how things went. She needed better connection with them.

Today in Latinoamerica we have Karol G. She's newbie and she's already fillin stadiums and thats crazy.
She's so so nice to her fans. Thats the key
She even goes to jails and speak with people there.

And taylor is in a territory on her own. People are comparing her to male singers
Is well known how male singers can be real hot to teenage girls through history.
The beatles, backstreets,bieber, jobros,justin timberlake...thats so common. nothing shocking on that
Taylor is woman and she's able to mesmerize girls and boys. She's got that female public on lock too. the new gens too.

I cant talk about madonna cause i was not livin in that time but looks like she was a big fashion icon and a provocateur and people loved that. 
But madonna parasocial relationship was different. Looked more like a power relationship more than a friendship.
Everyone trying to be Madonna and shocked by her antics-art-innovations instead of.......this artist is speakin directly to my soul
Of course Madonna had some of those too with songs like Papa dont preach and like a Prayer

Edited December 5, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[Badgalbriel]

42 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

 now Tate will bring pop bangers back 

damn, don't put that energy into the earth, jesus. if that ever becomes a reality, I'm blaming you. 

[PoisonedIvy]

2 hours ago, Big Bad Wolf said:

I guess. She’s so overrated and I’m sick of it. Taylor doesn’t deserve her success, plenty of other pop girls deserve it way more than her. We will look back and be in awe at how much influence the public has given her. 

Taylor does deserve her success.

[panochita]

This is old as hell, why do you think many people hate Yoko Ono?

Edited December 5, 2023 by panochita

[BrokenMachine]

That's not 'innovation'. She's doing no different from Elvis, Madonna or The Beatles at their peak. Taylor just has the social media advantage in her favor. At least now her fans 'just' buy tons of stuff instead of enlisting themselves to get k***ed to some war as people did because of Elvis 

Edited December 5, 2023 by BrokenMachine

[BrokenMachine]

2 hours ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Not like Beyonce or Madonna who are serving goddeses and larger than life figures cause theyre!!!

Beyoncé even with that larger than life image could pull the whole 'Becky with the good hair' that made every single one of her stans start some kind of witch hunt 

[fauxtography]

kasjf LOL swifties are crossing over into Hive levels of delusion

 

the term parasocial relationship wasn't even regularly used until the rise of the social media star. taylor truly has nothing to do with it

[supertiffany]

isnt it parasitical with the way swifties are behaving?

[Bosque]

Her biggest innovation is the enormous creativity and zeal she unleashes in the OTH desperately looking for something, anything to drag her for

[dirrtydiana]

?

 

You only described petty middle school gossip and drama. She didn’t popularize that.

[Klein]

3 hours ago, Jay07 said:

It goes in cycles, always. 80s was the big popstars (Madonna, MJ) and the reaction to that was the indie and alternative scene of the 90s (Nirvana, Pixies) and the reaction to that was the teen pop wave. Then there was Gaga, Rihanna, Katy and the reaction to that was Adele, Lana and yes, Taylor. But it was bound to happen and now Tate will bring pop bangers back 

Not Taylor being a response to Gaga and Katy when she was smashing with one of the biggest female album of the 2000s while they barely had their first song out. 

[Gladiator]

her biggest innovation is the boyfriend

we all know they did not exist until taylor swift started writing about them

now everyone has a boyfriend. a true trendsetter.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Gladiator

[Mitsouko]

Quite.

[wantedyoutogrow]

no? She knows how to take advantage of said parasocial advantages, tho, as any smart businesswoman should tbh

[GraceRandolph]

No, her biggest innovation was the invention of friendship bracelets.

[BletaRexher]

I used to like her but the weird cult she got during Folklore made me stop listening to her. It’s not all Taylor fans but a large chunk need a lot of mental help. She didn’t invent parasocial relationships but she’s the main one in the modern age. It’s honestly sad how you could enjoy someone’s music and think that makes you part of their life. Most singers would find this weird but she just cashes in on milking them for all they got. She should release a koolaid for them because they would all drink it.