supertiffany Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 do you think if she didnt win AOTY because she is a black female and that might what stop SZA getting Grammy's AOTY? 2 3
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted December 4, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted December 4, 2023 Except that she’s basically a singer-songwriter and that’s what the Recording Academy respects. She’s closer to Lauryn Hill (and even Taylor Swift) in artistic profile than Beyoncé. So she’s probably still got a shot. 11 3
Big Bad Wolf Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 Yes. She deserves that win more than anyone else besides Lana but SOS was more commercially successful so it should go to her. 1
Jay07 Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 I hope not but their history is not good. Awarding the most safe, basic, middle of the road stuff over towering works of Black excellence. 1
vale9001 Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) Yes and no. More like it's the kind of black music she makes it's definitely not the favourite genre of the grammy average voters. Whitney or Natalie Cole won it with records were more traditional pop or jazz (the sophisticated white men really loves jazz and a lot of black artists have won for that). There are some expeptions like Outkast and Lauryn Hill but still I can see why grammy voters loved that more. SOS really seems not for them. Edited December 4, 2023 by vale9001
Cheers Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 It might help. Grammys are all politics so this might be their way of “see? we award POC too!” Kinda like how they use Beyoncé as a token and spectacle and always televise her record breaking wins despite not giving her any wins in major categories. 3
ontherocks Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) I actually think that her chances are super high. Surely, Taylor, Lana and boygenius also have a chance, but she's the front runner, imo Edited December 4, 2023 by ontherocks 2
KatyPrismSpirit Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 her being a black female artist isn't really a constraint. it's the fact that she is up against Taylor that had a ridiculously successful year. unheard of year actually. and SOS is kind of a "bloated" album. one of the most important aspects of winning a grammy is cohesion. but we'll see. i do think she has a shot to win.
WildAmerican Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 i think she's got it, SOS being so genre-bending will appeal to so many different branches.
supertiffany Posted December 4, 2023 Author Posted December 4, 2023 18 minutes ago, supaspaz said: Except that she’s basically a singer-songwriter and that’s what the Recording Academy respects. She’s closer to Lauryn Hill (and even Taylor Swift) in artistic profile than Beyoncé. So she’s probably still got a shot. Whitney won
Green Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 The last time a black female won AOTY was Lauryn Hill 25 years ago. It's not gonna be easy for SZA to win sadly, not even Beyoncé could do it
She-Rah Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 This year Lana will win it, she needs to wait till next year.
Havoc Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 Taylor is gonna take it for sure. She has way too much momentum 1
Nico Robin Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 I hope she wins, she deserves it sooo much 1
BlossomSoul Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 57 minutes ago, houdini said: her being a black female artist isn't really a constraint. it's the fact that she is up against Taylor that had a ridiculously successful year. unheard of year actually. and SOS is kind of a "bloated" album. one of the most important aspects of winning a grammy is cohesion. but we'll see. i do think she has a shot to win. I don't see Taylor winning album of the year for midnights. bookmark me sis 1
Rotunda Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 You don’t have the range for this discussion and have been doing this weird race-baiting for as long as I’ve been on this site. Hang it up deelishis. 1
ATRL Moderator Tsareena Posted December 4, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted December 4, 2023 I'm thinking lana > sza > boygenius at the moment but the conversation of why black women get snubbed from aoty is not as simple as their identity being the only reason why 1
BlossomSoul Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Havoc said: Taylor is gonna take it for sure. She has way too much momentum No way!
BlossomSoul Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 30 minutes ago, She-Rah said: This year Lana will win it, she needs to wait till next year. I want this so bad for Lana, but I want SZA to win based on the album itself
fridayteenage Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 58 minutes ago, supertiffany said: Whitney won well, year end lists: Australia #1 Austria #1 Dutch #1 Germany #1 US #1 (and UK #2)
swissman Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, supaspaz said: Except that she’s basically a singer-songwriter and that’s what the Recording Academy respects. She’s closer to Lauryn Hill (and even Taylor Swift) in artistic profile than Beyoncé. So she’s probably still got a shot. Is what you're saying that because she has an artistic image the Recording Academy respects, they can look past her race to take her seriously? Because this is an inherent problem too, that the "image" of the musician (be it race or genre or assumed involvement) is as important to a win as the musical content, if not more. To me this seems backward, as the award is for the album (and all its contributors). In SZA's case, she may have the artistic profile of Lauryn Hill, who produced all her own songs and solo-wrote all but four on her AOTY-winning album, but in actuality, SZA's album has as many as ten writers on a song, as few as three and what seems to be an average of about 5 or 6 writers per song and no production credits. Please don't mistake this as any shade or disrespect to SZA who truly is an artist. I clearly value a finished work and the artist's vision more than trivia about who wrote what. I'm just stating how factors that've been used to excuse Black women losing AOTY in the past like "It's not about race, it's about writing credits" are still at play and that this shows a bias in how some Black women can be voted deserving of the top honour, but other's do not. Going into statistics, white women have won AOTY 2x more in the last 15 years alone than Black women have in the entire history of the Grammys. Of course, perhaps this is due to Black women like Beyoncé, Rihanna or even Mariah not also having the "singer-songwriter" profile but there are plenty of deserving, talented, amazing Black women artists who do, they just haven't been given the recognition they deserve as per the Recording Academy's standards. Edited December 4, 2023 by swissman 1
byzantium Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 They are just going to give it to John Batiste again. All the women in the category are going to split the votes.
supertiffany Posted December 4, 2023 Author Posted December 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, byzantium said: They are just going to give it to John Batiste again. All the women in the category are going to split the votes. vote splitting really became stronger when they expanded the number of noms especially those that share the same voters/genre sza/lana/taylor mostly share the same listeners compared to jon vote splitting happened to adele too, because no way easy on me will lose over an unknown song by bonnie, obviously she got the solid country votes
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