base talk Renaissance WT Movie struggles badly overseas, opens with 5.5M (official)

[slw84]

6 hours ago, Distantconstellation said:

You talk about taylor swift like shes a spring chicken? Shes in her mid 30s and has been around since 2006/2007.  Taylor swift isnt a new comer, shes a veteran in the music industry at this point so using the age thing wont work here. 

She debuted barely 3 years after Beyonce's debut. Both are vets and did well at the box office.

6 hours ago, dumbsparce said:

All these excuses for yet another Beyonce flop  If people are not willing to pay a few bucks to watch the film or stream the music of an "unrelatable, middle-aged black billionaire woman" then why are they going the extra mile to attend her live shows? It seems that whatever "excellence" she's presenting is strictly displayed on stage.

Valid point.

[LiamVillain]

suddenly OTHs and beyhive acting like they didn't create hundreds of threads dragging Taylor 
At least OP just quoted the article and didn't add personal opinions lol 

Edited December 4, 2023 by LiamVillain

[KevinKDC]

Nnn I JUST came from the film and I was SHOCKED.
 

There were 8 people there in total
 

We legit didn’t need to participate in the mute challenge; the 500 empty seats did

 

Film was cute tho.

[PrettyHurts]

1 hour ago, elincomprendid said:

Well so then when comparing them as popstars you admit Beyonce has a failure in reaching the public the way Taylor does lol

istg is not that hard to admit Beyonce fails in expanding her reach among people 

It’s not a “failure”. She literally has actively avoided the public and promo opportunities constantly for the past decade 

[slw84]

12 hours ago, ronelmaano13 said:

For a global superstar, she doesn't have global success. Mind you, the tour actually did well in Europe so the film should've done well there, too. 

I think the reason is because people love the entertainment factor and also there's more social currency in talking about going to see Queen Bey live than it is to buy the album or support the concert movie in high droves. Taylor's different. But it's been shown time and. time and again that seeing Beyonce live seems like something people can discuss for pop culture purposes. It speaks to Beyonce's great rep as an entertainer too.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by slw84

[elincomprendid]

3 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said:

It’s not a “failure”. She literally has actively avoided the public and promo opportunities constantly for the past decade 

So the same thing Taylor did during reputation, folklore & evermore all more successful than any Beyoncé album in the past decade?

[Abracadabra]

Wow Miley at #2

[lonnie]

1 hour ago, Doogle said:

I mean I kinda get it. As others have said Bey’s entire brand is being out of touch and not connecting with the fans. Her own fans me included feel her career choices are odd and she doesn’t give anything outside of the music, so what’s an average Joe who knows Single Ladies and Love on Top going to feel about it?

 

I’m excited to see this film but it’s not even JUST the show like Eras was. A lot of people don’t care about her outside of the performances too. It’s not a great result but idk I totally expected it. She’s past her commercial peak and getting people outside of those who already attended the tour to the cinema for this was never going to be easy.  If she wants to see success in the modern age she needs to work towards getting people back into her. Otherwise if she’s happy w her large concentrated audience away from the public she’s doing fine. 

I mean she already has success and I don't see why she should change anything. Beyoncé is a mother of three and married, she's never going to give the same level of near 24/7 focus of pampering and catering to random strangers in a bid to be more successful than she is as Taylor does, because Taylor has less social responsibilities. That also doesn't seem like Bey's style at all. She's built a persona that's distant to the outside world (for good reason) for decades and I don't see how she's going to undo all that work.

 

Taylor's para-social realationship with fanbase is strange and I don't know why we don't all say it. A grown adult in her mid-30s who's developed the kind of relationship she has with her fans is weird, even though it's mutually beneficial. She enjoys the success such unwavering support brings her and they also do by delusionally thinking that success is theirs too, but I don't see how Bey would want that. It's mostly artists in their teens and in their twenties who do that because the older they grow, the less time they're bound to have to dedicate such energy to random strangers when they have spouses/partners and/or children.

 

She's found a way to balance having a family and still releasing music and touring and the hive has it good, believe me. It could be worse and I wouldn't blame her since she's dedicated almost all her life to music. Who wouldn't want a break after a while?

[lonnie]

9 minutes ago, elincomprendid said:

So the same thing Taylor did during reputation, folklore & evermore all more successful than any Beyoncé album in the past decade?

This is a damn lie

 

Swifties are both hateful and delusional. 

[kimberly]

@Artistofthedecade thank you for keeping us updated on the latest Beyoncé news, as always. #1 BeyHive on ATRL

 

Do you have Google news alert set for her?

[WildHeart]

1 minute ago, kimberly said:

Artistofthedecade thank you

You are welcome 

[305]

LMAO

[Strawberry Bubble]

6 hours ago, holyground13 said:

There is no point in Swifties (or any fanbase for that matter) comparing Bey to Taylor. The odds are stacked against Bey as she is both a black woman and older.

 

Taylor also attracts a very young fanbase in a way Beyoncé doesn't so of course those fans were going to be dragging their parents to the film.

 

Part of Beyonce's success is attributed to her representation as a black woman who has broken through racial barriers, having massive appeal and achieving a lot of success. Of course, racism is a terrible issue. Despite this, some artists, regardless of racial barriers, have managed to surpass the success of many white artists in their generation. Figures like Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Drake, The Weeknd, Aretha Franklin, Beyoncé, Prince, Rihanna, and Stevie Wonder have all made a mark in the music industry. They were not deemed to fail or to be less successful than other artists just because of their skin color, that is reductionist, simplistic and is basically deeming any black artist to fail. 

 

It's crucial to recognize that reducing an artist's success solely to their skin color is overly simplistic. Beyonce's achievements are far beyond her racial identity: her work ethics, her talent and her abilities are the factors that have led her to where she is now. Please don't reduce her to just being a black woman in her forties. 

 

It is very uncomfortable for me to witness some Beyoncé fans that are constantly predicting her failure, citing that she can't surpass white artists due to her skin color or younger artists due to her age. This is just a bad attempt to diminish Taylor's success and attribute it only to her skin color: she is successful because she is white. Let's not forget that she is also a woman in an industry dominated by men, and her success and ability to beat the biggest men in music doesn't come just from her skin color. 

 

 

[elincomprendid]

27 minutes ago, lonnie said:

the same level of near 24/7 focus of pampering and catering to random strangers in a bid to be more successful than she is as Taylor does, because Taylor has less social responsibilities. 

 

Taylor's para-social realationship with fanbase is strange and I don't know why we don't all say it. A grown adult in her mid-30s who's developed the kind of relationship she has with her fans is weird, even though it's mutually beneficial.

What does Taylor even do 24/7 to have this so called para-social relationship? She is literally just living her life and swifties like her music and like her persona is not that deep

You all are running out of excuses on what to criticize her for and are starting to invent things and it's showing 

[Strawberry Bubble]

23 minutes ago, lonnie said:

I mean she already has success and I don't see why she should change anything. Beyoncé is a mother of three and married, she's never going to give the same level of near 24/7 focus of pampering and catering to random strangers in a bid to be more successful than she is as Taylor does, because Taylor has less social responsibilities. That also doesn't seem like Bey's style at all. She's built a persona that's distant to the outside world (for good reason) for decades and I don't see how she's going to undo all that work.

 

Taylor's para-social realationship with fanbase is strange and I don't know why we don't all say it. A grown adult in her mid-30s who's developed the kind of relationship she has with her fans is weird, even though it's mutually beneficial. She enjoys the success such unwavering support brings her and they also do by delusionally thinking that success is theirs too, but I don't see how Bey would want that. It's mostly artists in their teens and in their twenties who do that because the older they grow, the less time they're bound to have to dedicate such energy to random strangers when they have spouses/partners and/or children.

 

She's found a way to balance having a family and still releasing music and touring and the hive has it good, believe me. It could be worse and I wouldn't blame her since she's dedicated almost all her life to music. Who wouldn't want a break after a while?

Oh God, you should've seen fans of Michael Jackson, Madonna, Britney or Gaga during their peak moments. It was a CRAZY parasocial relationship, and it was intergenerational, too. 

 

Of course, people are too busy nowadays to be happy and have fun, but sometimes an idol appears and creates some hope for their fans. It is not "weird" to make people happy or to create admiration among them. It is just that today's artists are not able to create deep connections with their fanbases. 

 

Take a look at the fans of Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo. The intense devotion that swifties exhibit isn't peculiar, it is just reserved for the biggest idols of their era.

 

[elincomprendid]

28 minutes ago, lonnie said:

This is a damn lie

 

Swifties are both hateful and delusional. 

What part is a lie please enlighten me

[LosingHimWasBlue]

7 hours ago, Musiclove4eva said:

Swifties are so ******* annoying they make me want to never listen to Taylor Swift again 

the fumes 

[BrandNewBrandon]

Well this does several things:

 

A) Showcases you that people attending the concerts won't want to pay to watch them again in theaters. This was initially the Taylor stans' excuse why it's one of the few movies to open to blockbuster numbers in the US but fail to do those numbers in total everywhere else, resulting in a 71% from North America and cementing the status of the movie as LOCAL. 

 

B) Further establishes that how ones movie does has little to do with star power or GP interest but rather the devotion of the artist's fanbase. Justin Bieber is more famous around the globe than all of those despite his movie doing worse than Swift's. 

 

C) Whatever Beyoncé releases is critically acclaimed. 

 

D) This may not be a trend after all. 

 

 

[chiliam]

I love the album Renaissance and want my country to annouce the date so i can be seated.

But the exclusive larger than life prestige Bey's team is going for is not it. Like come on you dont need to force that out of touch imagine so hard.

 

 

[PrettyHurts]

2 hours ago, elincomprendid said:

So the same thing Taylor did during reputation, folklore & evermore all more successful than any Beyoncé album in the past decade?

you're still comparing apples to oranges. their pomo strategies and relationship w fans are completely different. 

[holyground13]

2 hours ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

 

Part of Beyonce's success is attributed to her representation as a black woman who has broken through racial barriers, having massive appeal and achieving a lot of success. Of course, racism is a terrible issue. Despite this, some artists, regardless of racial barriers, have managed to surpass the success of many white artists in their generation. Figures like Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Drake, The Weeknd, Aretha Franklin, Beyoncé, Prince, Rihanna, and Stevie Wonder have all made a mark in the music industry. They were not deemed to fail or to be less successful than other artists just because of their skin color, that is reductionist, simplistic and is basically deeming any black artist to fail. 

 

It's crucial to recognize that reducing an artist's success solely to their skin color is overly simplistic. Beyonce's achievements are far beyond her racial identity: her work ethics, her talent and her abilities are the factors that have led her to where she is now. Please don't reduce her to just being a black woman in her forties. 

 

It is very uncomfortable for me to witness some Beyoncé fans that are constantly predicting her failure, citing that she can't surpass white artists due to her skin color or younger artists due to her age. This is just a bad attempt to diminish Taylor's success and attribute it only to her skin color: she is successful because she is white. Let's not forget that she is also a woman in an industry dominated by men, and her success and ability to beat the biggest men in music doesn't come just from her skin color. 

 

 

Just to highlight the part in bold first, I'm just as big of a fan of Taylor as I am Beyoncé (see my username).

 

Beyoncé has of course had incredible success in the music industry and so has Taylor, but I've seen people compare their tours / films way too much in the past year. I think it's important to recognize that their stories / circumstances are different.

 

My post was not to say "Taylor might have made more money but it's less impressive because she's a white woman", it was to say that comparison is unfair when they're both doing super well but target different demographics.

[elincomprendid]

13 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said:

you're still comparing apples to oranges. their pomo strategies and relationship w fans are completely different. 

Please explain me how

And AGAIN, even if they are different strategies, they are both pop stars so what do you want to judge them based on? Like their promo strategies different or not have the same final aim, reaching people. And clearly one does it much better than the other

[ImpressMeMuch]

Taylor is a straight white woman marketable to all ages and markets 

 

no one was expecting otherwise from these numbers 

[Alexz]

3 hours ago, KevinKDC said:

Nnn I JUST came from the film and I was SHOCKED.
 

There were 8 people there in total
 

We legit didn’t need to participate in the mute challenge; the 500 empty seats did

 

Film was cute tho.

[Soda Pop Queen]

after Bey coming to collect her tingz in the past year, the wasps were SALIVATING for some kind of L  

 

y'all go head and ki ki it up before she inevitably cracks your faces again.