celeb news Selena Gomez attends Zionist wedding party where Israel flag is celebrated

[Communion]

12 minutes ago, theflying said:

pretending an Israeli flag is inherently some political message 

lol?

Edited November 27, 2023 by Communion

[Dula Peep]

3 hours ago, N.M.K. said:

The State was created following a partition by the UN. And if "land theft" is the basis for an illegitimate state – would that not apply to literally every state in the world? Or somehow only for the one Jewish state?

I guess they want us to give the US back to the Native Americans as well then 

[theflying]

Yes! I know it may seem shocking to you, but there are currently 9 million people in an actual, literal country, and that is their literal, actual flag, and it is also a decently common sight at American Jewish gatherings. 
 

I am straight up telling you, acting like an Israeli flag is an inherent endorsement of killing Palestinians is bigoted. 
 

Since you can’t seem to grasp this logic, perhaps you would grasp that someone flying a Palestinian flag can be showing pride in your identity or people, and does not inherently reflect a message of trying to eradicate 9 million Israelis. 

[Communion]

Just now, Dula Peep said:

I guess they want us to give the US back to the Native Americans as well then 

Unironcally yes. 

[theflying]

Just now, Dula Peep said:

I guess they want us to give the US back to the Native Americans as well then 

I am waiting for literally every fricking person in this thread to go give up their house and land to the closest Native American reservation. I’m sure it’ll be happening ANY DAY now.

[Dula Peep]

8 minutes ago, theflying said:

I am waiting for literally every fricking person in this thread to go give up their house and land to the closest Native American reservation. I’m sure it’ll be happening ANY DAY now.

and if Selena, being of Mexican ancestry, has any indigenous blood which I'm sure she does... we should be giving our houses back to her as well 

[Rob_Matteo]

1 hour ago, theflying said:

It’s also anti-Semitic. Like, this topic is anti-Semitic. Attending an Israeli wedding has nothing to do with one’s opinions on the political situation of Palestinians. It’s gross.

 

1 hour ago, theflying said:

By the way, hello!

 

American Liberal Jew here. Proud Zionist as well.

 

Zionism is the belief in a Jewish homeland. That’s it. Zionism is not inherently at the expense of anyone, in the same way that feminism’s advocacy not “against men”.

 

Lastly, I refuse to be told that standing up for Israel is something to be ashamed about, and refuse to let the characterization stand that you have ANY idea what any individual who identifies as such, thinks about the plight of the Palestinians.

 

Yeah, sorry, I’m not going to be told that the only thing Jewish people are allowed to say is that Israel shouldn’t exist. That’s bullsh*t, and anti-Semitic. 
 

You want to believe that Israel shouldn’t exist? Have at it. Then you know what, people are going to reply to you. And you may not like what the response is.

 

There is not a single other group that would not be listened to when talking about whether something is racist, or transphobic, or Islamophobic. But somehow, people in this thread think the Jewish homeland shouldn’t be allowed to exist, shouldn’t have any defenders, AND should get to determine whether they are being anti-Semitic or not.

 

55 minutes ago, theflying said:

By the way, since people love to throw around loaded terms in this topic, when you say “Israel shouldn’t exist”, that is not a “thought exercise” — there are literally 9 million people living here.

 

So unless you’re going “Israel shouldn’t exist — it should be a single democratic state” (which, literally no one wants and will never happen, but have fun…)

 

If you want to say Israel shouldn’t exist, you are… calling for genocide! *gasp*
 

Yes. Ye who wants to bring attention to a genocide of Palestinians, by saying Israel shouldn’t exist, you are essentially calling for a genocide in the other direction.

 

Or do we regularly make thought-exercises about countries that “shouldn’t exist” just for giggles?

 

So, yeah, your words matter, and if you’re not prepared to engage in these matters like a damn human being, with nuance, and listening to people, and not being inflammatory, because NOTHING said here is going to do ANYTHING for the situation across the world, maybe don’t engage unless you’re willing to do that?

 

Or, you know, at least don’t be frickin anti-Semitic about it by equating dancing under an Israeli flag with “complicity in genocide”. 
 

Gross.

 

52 minutes ago, theflying said:

And by the way, the “white Western settler colonialists” is ANOTHER anti-Semitic trope, from the Mein Kampf days. 
 

There have been Jewish people living there since before Jesus. 
 

The people that immigrated to the area, did so because they were being *oppressed in their homeland*. Many of these initial waves happened *before 1948*. White people didn’t decide they wanted beachfront views so let’s kick out brown people. They were being targeted and oppressed and killed. That’s not benefitting from “Whiteness”.

 

in addition, the majority of Jews in Israel ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR, who were ETHNICALLY CLEANSED from surrounding Middle Eastern and North African countries.

 

43 minutes ago, theflying said:

Some users who reacted to my posts include:  @AMIT, @More Than A Melody,, @State of Grace.@RIKI232 and @sunbathinganimal. I don’t know who gave trophies and who gave downvotes,

but for those of you who gave downvotes…

 

Would any one of you like to have a conversation about what it is about a Jewish person letting you know that calling for the eradication of their homeland seems pretty anti-Semitic, and whether you do the same for other marginalized groups?

 

Do you use racist words because you don’t care what people of color consider racist?

 

Are you transphobic because you don’t care when a trans person lets you know something is transphobic?

 

Is there a particular reason you feel super comfortable ignoring when a Jewish person says it?

 

Now, no Jewish person has a monopoly on what “is” anti-Semitic. 
 

But you know what, based on the context of this topic, where a bunch of people acted like dancing under a country’s flag at a wedding by citizens of that country, essentially meant that she was endorsing the killing of Palestinians, is there a particular reason you should have the benefit of the doubt?

 

Would anyone else who enjoys downvoting in the shadows like to chime in on whether they like to ignore when minority groups let you know you’re being bigoted, or is it just Jews you don’t feel like listening to?

 

Literally nothing I have said has had anything to do with the plight of the Palestinians. I am fully in support of their safety, their peace, and their right to a state. So, why are people so comfortable maligning my identity?

 

27 minutes ago, theflying said:

Or how about you stop acting like an Israeli flag is inherently some political message about killing Palestinians. Grow up. Be a real person. Touch grass. 

 

25 minutes ago, theflying said:

Hi @Gayoncé and @Wolf Alice, thank you for your downvotes. Is there anything specifically that I said that you’d like to have a conversation about? Because I am more than happy to.

 

How literally dare people act like my identity, my mere existence, or supporting the one country in the world that is a safe haven for the world’s longest oppressed people, is some inherent act of endorsing the killing of people. 

 

14 minutes ago, theflying said:

Yes! I know it may seem shocking to you, but there are currently 9 million people in an actual, literal country, and that is their literal, actual flag, and it is also a decently common sight at American Jewish gatherings. 
 

I am straight up telling you, acting like an Israeli flag is an inherent endorsement of killing Palestinians is bigoted. 
 

Since you can’t seem to grasp this logic, perhaps you would grasp that someone flying a Palestinian flag can be showing pride in your identity or people, and does not inherently reflect a message of trying to eradicate 9 million Israelis. 

 

13 minutes ago, theflying said:

I am waiting for literally every fricking person in this thread to go give up their house and land to the closest Native American reservation. I’m sure it’ll be happening ANY DAY now.

ur crazy

[theflying]

Everytime you call me crazy, I get more crazy, what about that?
 

Thanks for sharing my messages for the new page. Really tired of my identity being maligned.

Edited November 27, 2023 by theflying

[Rob_Matteo]

Just now, theflying said:

Thanks for sharing my messages for the new page. Really tired of my identity being maligned.

go outside get a breath of fresh air

[theflying]

Hi Rob! I’ve been a member of this community (moreso lurker than poster) for years, and I’d really like to be able to come here and not see my identity inherently equated to killing people. 
 

I apologize if *you* are too online to understand why casual conversations about the eradication of the country I’m currently in might just be, you know, a little inflammatory.

 

Jewish people are the *only* minority group this forum would feel so laissez-faire about whether or not they were being bigoted about. Including you, with your replies, by the way. So sorry you are unable to grasp why a Jewish person might be upset with the discourse here.

Edited November 27, 2023 by theflying

[Aethereal]

4 hours ago, ZIVERT said:

There is plenty to criticize Israel for, but holding Israel to a different standard than other countries is, in fact, anti-Semitism.
 

Considering that a) all countries would (and historically have) respond militarily to a terrorist attack and b) there are multiple examples of expulsion happening RIGHT NOW in other countries shows that there’s something more to just “legitimate criticisms” of Israel.

 

Even more funny is the desperate attempt to argue all across the forum that “anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism, and it’s actually anti-Semitic of you to conflate Judaism with Zionism” and then IMMEDIATELY labeling and villainizing a Jewish wedding as an evil Zionist event because there are photos of people dancing in the vicinity of an Israeli flag. It’s just further proof of the anti-semitic dog whistling 

As for the expulsion outrage, Israel is closer to the Western World so therefore just like the European wars in last 30 years, the expulsion of Palestinians will receive more attention because of proximity to Western media, than certain other events in countries like Sudan. There is no hidden agenda here. 

Besides the fact it benefits by receiving sympathy from the reputation as the only democracy in Middle East one would expect the treatment of Palestinians to be better.   

Edited November 27, 2023 by Aristotle

[Rob_Matteo]

6 minutes ago, theflying said:

Hi Rob! I’ve been a member of this community (moreso lurker than poster) for years, and I’d really like to be able to come here and not see my identity inherently equated to killing people. 
 

I apologize if *you* are too online to understand why casual conversations about the eradication of the country I’m currently in might just be, you know, a little inflammatory.

people calling for a free palestine = unacceptable and can be interpreted as the eradication of israel

 

actual eradication of palestinians = totally okay and if you disagree you’re anti-semitic

 

your posts are unhinged and i wouldn’t want to be a mile within your proximity cause you’re actually giving major serial killer vibes in this thread 

[Communion]

32 minutes ago, theflying said:

but there are currently 9 million people in an actual, literal country, and that is their literal, actual flag

Again, most people would have no problem acknowledging this is cringe and indicative of what is usually a right-wing kind of patriotism.

 

I would even agree that you can't assume someone waving an Israeli flag is a Zionist, especially when recognizing Zionism as the belief that Israel must be a 'Jewish ethno-state and there would - hopefully - be Israelis who would be fine with Israel being a nation but not a ethnicity-based nation state.

 

But again, people would have no issue with finding things like this funny and almost cariculature-like:

 

 

 

 

The actual criticisms one could find being that 1) is the person's wedding who Selena knows even famous? If it's a random person, it's low-stakes and a bit punching down to dunk on and 2) because it's not Selena herself, it's hard to really position some kind of double standard of how such brazen patriotism would be deemed inappropriate or questionable if done by someone who downplayed Palestinian suffering.

 

It's not hard to imagine someone like the Hadid sisters or Dua Lipa attending a traditional Palestinian wedding featuring a Palestinian flag and typical old media figures going "HADID SISTERS ATTEND JIHAD WEDDING! SEXY SUPERMODEL DOESN'T KNOW SHE WOULD BE STONED FOR HER SEXY OUTFIT IN GAZA!!!". 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Communion

[theflying]

Hi once again @Rob_Matteo, quite literally nothing I have said has anything to do with Palestinians, and everything to do with acting like an Israeli flag is some inherent message or endorsement of, BOTH, either Zionism or the killing of Palestinians. 
 

Hi @Communion! It literally doesn’t matter what you consider a flag to “mean” - not everyone shares your definition. Is there something about this that is extraordinarily difficult to grasp?

Edited November 27, 2023 by theflying

[ICLDXU4HS]

11 minutes ago, theflying said:

I’ve been a member of this community (moreso lurker than poster) for years

Where’s that factory located that’s pumping out all those Zionist “lurkers”?
 

[Dreamer2023]

16 minutes ago, theflying said:

Hi Rob! I’ve been a member of this community (moreso lurker than poster) for years, and I’d really like to be able to come here and not see my identity inherently equated to killing people. 
 

I apologize if *you* are too online to understand why casual conversations about the eradication of the country I’m currently in might just be, you know, a little inflammatory.

 

Jewish people are the *only* minority group this forum would feel so laissez-faire about whether or not they were being bigoted about. Including you, with your replies, by the way. So sorry you are unable to grasp why a Jewish person might be upset with the discourse here.

That’s a complaint you would need to file to your politicians

[Dreamer2023]

The pro Israel users are getting brave lately 

[DeadInside]

So what? I've attended weddings with the confederate flag, does that make me a bad person? 

[theflying]

10 minutes ago, ICLDXU4HS said:

Where’s that factory located that’s pumping out all those Zionist “lurkers”?
 

Wow, super good one man! 
 

You should’ve added made it “George Soros’” factory, and then since we’re on a media website, changed factory to media. Also, for “lurkers”, you could’ve gone with the more snappy “outsiders.

 

So, you could’ve done “There’s that George Soros-owned media pumping out these Zionist outsiders”. 
 

That would’ve been a MUCH better anti-Semitic dog whistle.

 

I’m sure you have many Beyoncé GIFs to get to sharing, so better hop to trying again. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by theflying

[theflying]

12 minutes ago, Dreamer2023 said:

The pro Israel users are getting brave lately 

No, the bigotry is just getting more and more out of hand. 
 

This topic is *flat-out* incredibly inflammatory and ignorant at best, and pretty anti-Semitic at worst. One of the worst I’ve ever seen on this forum. 

 

But because it’s about Israel, which apparently has NOTHING to do with Jewish people, we’re all allowed to be super bigoted about it and even have the moderators keep the topic open!

Edited November 27, 2023 by theflying

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, theflying said:

Hi once again @Rob_Matteo, quite literally nothing I have said has anything to do with Palestinians, and everything to do with acting like an Israeli flag is some inherent message or endorsement of, BOTH, either Zionism or the killing of Palestinians. 
 

Hi @Communion! It literally doesn’t matter what you consider a flag to “mean” - not everyone shares your definition. Is there something about this that is extraordinarily difficult to grasp?

Sis, the right button will let you quote users.

 

Clicking the right button will generate the quoted text in the reply box below:

 

Clicking the left button on multiple posts will generate a pop-up, letting you select multiple posts:

 

OT: Sorry, sis, cringe is cringe! As a non-patriotic Atheist, I'm gonna view anyone making their nation's flag part of a highly personal and special day as weird, just like I think people who do so with the American flag are a bit... different! Harmless? Sure. Cringe? Yes. It'd be more interesting if the person getting married was a celeb themselves.

[theflying]

No worries sis! So happy to learn about your intense feelings about flag-waving at weddings. Be sure to send out a strict “no-flag” policy at your future one.

Edited November 27, 2023 by theflying

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, DeadInside said:

So what? I've attended weddings with the confederate flag

ATRL really is the gift that keeps on giving. It's criminal this website is free to use.

[Kassi]

Who cares? She attended a Jewish wedding. Jewish people exist. 50% of Jewish people live in Israel. Israel has a flag.

Trying to scandalize people associating with Jews is truly bordering on anti-Semitic.

[Communion]

Not the most interesting tea about this after a quick search being Samuel Krost is the guy who helped organize Fyre Fest (dd???) and himself was an Evangelical who attended Hillsong with Selena (dd??!!) before converting for his non-famous bride (she has ~1k followers on IG to his ~80k), but he is the one who has posted about being a proud Zionist.

 

I wonder if his wife knows what Evangelicals are taught about Israel growing up!

Life is so funny that way! Hopefully she never asks him what his likely obsession with blood moons mean! 

 

One would think Selena's social calendar would be a bit busier these days.

Edited November 28, 2023 by Communion