celeb news Selena Gomez attends Zionist wedding party where Israel flag is celebrated

[mylicious]

You all have completely lost it. Let a girl live. Disgusting. 

[More Than A Melody]

14 minutes ago, Tipee said:

Genuine question, what does ceasing to exist look like? Would the Israelis have to immigrate elsewhere?

You don't solve ethnic cleansing and genocide with more ethnic cleansing and genocide. You create a new state where everyone cal live freely and democratically. As it should've been since 1947

[Sergi91]

People can’t even go to a wedding anymore without people throwing a tantrum 

[Marla Singer]

I doubt Selena is a zionist, she's a "both sides" kind of girl. I would even be surprised if she could correctly identify the Israeli and Palestinian flags if someone placed them both in front of her and asked which one's which.

[I♥Toronto]

So?

[FOCK]

After Britney & Sam’s Hollywood bash, I think we’ve learned that “Selena” & “weddings” are just a recipe for disaster. 
 

Edited November 27, 2023 by FOCK

[mael]

Picking on a woman’s looks when you don’t even know half of the medications She needs to take in order to LIVE is uncouth. 

[N.M.K.]

53 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Judaism =/= zionism. The mods have actually done a fantastic job of keeping the forum safe from antisemitism even while most users are anti zionists. It doesn't matter how much you try to conflate both things, there's literally no correlation between them.

Oh yes. Thanks for tellling Jews that there hasn’t been antisemitism. I feel better now!

[Into The Void]

This thread in turn has nothing to do with Selena after all 

[Papi Juancho]

Nobody would drag this girl if she wasn't a hypocrite and trying to please everyone. In a few hours she will put a statement playing the victim 

A friend to all is a friend to none  

[Into The Void]

38 minutes ago, Marla Singer said:

I doubt Selena is a zionist, she's a "both sides" kind of girl. I would even be surprised if she could correctly identify the Israeli and Palestinian flags if someone placed them both in front of her and asked which one's which.

They need to stop villanizing the people who have nothing to do with this 

[theflying]

5 hours ago, Sannie said:

So... are we expecting all people to drop all friends and colleagues who are Jewish/zionists? if that is the case, a lot of us are going to be disappointed with our faves lol.

It’s also anti-Semitic. Like, this topic is anti-Semitic. Attending an Israeli wedding has nothing to do with one’s opinions on the political situation of Palestinians. It’s gross.

[Moloko Plus]

[More Than A Melody]

23 minutes ago, N.M.K. said:

Oh yes. Thanks for tellling Jews that there hasn’t been antisemitism. I feel better now!

Considering half my family is Jewish, and the only reason I don't claim Judaism (now, I used to) is that it comes from my dad's side, I think I can make that assessment 

[Villas]

Not surprised though

[theflying]

By the way, hello!

 

American Liberal Jew here. Proud Zionist as well.

 

Zionism is the belief in a Jewish homeland. That’s it. Zionism is not inherently at the expense of anyone, in the same way that feminism’s advocacy not “against men”.

 

Lastly, I refuse to be told that standing up for Israel is something to be ashamed about, and refuse to let the characterization stand that you have ANY idea what any individual who identifies as such, thinks about the plight of the Palestinians.

 

Yeah, sorry, I’m not going to be told that the only thing Jewish people are allowed to say is that Israel shouldn’t exist. That’s bullsh*t, and anti-Semitic. 
 

You want to believe that Israel shouldn’t exist? Have at it. Then you know what, people are going to reply to you. And you may not like what the response is.

 

There is not a single other group that would not be listened to when talking about whether something is racist, or transphobic, or Islamophobic. But somehow, people in this thread think the Jewish homeland shouldn’t be allowed to exist, shouldn’t have any defenders, AND should get to determine whether they are being anti-Semitic or not.

[Cheers]

If this was anyone else the Seleners would be dragging. 

[KatyPrismSpirit]

3 hours ago, heckinglovato said:

Oh so your grandpa is a fellow Palestinian Jew, amongst the Jewish folks who lived alongside other Palestinian Christians and Muslims, prior to the establishment of the modern settler western colony of Israel, which involved the expulsion of 700k+ Palestinians including my dad (and the killing of many).

 

How do you feel knowing that another fellow Palestinian such as myself is unable to visit or live in our shared homeland while the majority of people there are white western settler colonialists who took our land, resources, and homes? 

ended his ass 

[theflying]

By the way, since people love to throw around loaded terms in this topic, when you say “Israel shouldn’t exist”, that is not a “thought exercise” — there are literally 9 million people living here.

 

So unless you’re going “Israel shouldn’t exist — it should be a single democratic state” (which, literally no one wants and will never happen, but have fun…)

 

If you want to say Israel shouldn’t exist, you are… calling for genocide! *gasp*
 

Yes. Ye who wants to bring attention to a genocide of Palestinians, by saying Israel shouldn’t exist, you are essentially calling for a genocide in the other direction.

 

Or do we regularly make thought-exercises about countries that “shouldn’t exist” just for giggles?

 

So, yeah, your words matter, and if you’re not prepared to engage in these matters like a damn human being, with nuance, and listening to people, and not being inflammatory, because NOTHING said here is going to do ANYTHING for the situation across the world, maybe don’t engage unless you’re willing to do that?

 

Or, you know, at least don’t be frickin anti-Semitic about it by equating dancing under an Israeli flag with “complicity in genocide”. 
 

Gross.

[theflying]

And by the way, the “white Western settler colonialists” is ANOTHER anti-Semitic trope, from the Mein Kampf days. 
 

There have been Jewish people living there since before Jesus. 
 

The people that immigrated to the area, did so because they were being *oppressed in their homeland*. Many of these initial waves happened *before 1948*. White people didn’t decide they wanted beachfront views so let’s kick out brown people. They were being targeted and oppressed and killed. That’s not benefitting from “Whiteness”.

 

in addition, the majority of Jews in Israel ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR, who were ETHNICALLY CLEANSED from surrounding Middle Eastern and North African countries.

[theflying]

Some users who reacted to my posts include:  @AMIT, @More Than A Melody,, @State of Grace.@RIKI232 and @sunbathinganimal. I don’t know who gave trophies and who gave downvotes,

but for those of you who gave downvotes…

 

Would any one of you like to have a conversation about what it is about a Jewish person letting you know that calling for the eradication of their homeland seems pretty anti-Semitic, and whether you do the same for other marginalized groups?

 

Do you use racist words because you don’t care what people of color consider racist?

 

Are you transphobic because you don’t care when a trans person lets you know something is transphobic?

 

Is there a particular reason you feel super comfortable ignoring when a Jewish person says it?

 

Now, no Jewish person has a monopoly on what “is” anti-Semitic. 
 

But you know what, based on the context of this topic, where a bunch of people acted like dancing under a country’s flag at a wedding by citizens of that country, essentially meant that she was endorsing the killing of Palestinians, is there a particular reason you should have the benefit of the doubt?

 

Would anyone else who enjoys downvoting in the shadows like to chime in on whether they like to ignore when minority groups let you know you’re being bigoted, or is it just Jews you don’t feel like listening to?

 

Literally nothing I have said has had anything to do with the plight of the Palestinians. I am fully in support of their safety, their peace, and their right to a state. So, why are people so comfortable maligning my identity?

Edited November 27, 2023 by theflying

[State of Grace.]

[Communion]

6 hours ago, Taylena said:

That guy is zionist according to who? twitter? and what's the problem with the Israel flag?  Are we now blaming the whole country for the actions of the far-right zionist government? 

I feel like people would be more than willing to call out brazen nationalism if presented with Americans from Texas dancing under the American flag during their wedding - and the oddness of such - and I think people should interrogate just why they don't feel as compelled to call out Israeli nationalism in that greater context. 

 

Of course you can't imply anything more than an uncomfortable patriotism, but to pretend this kind of unsophisticated nationalism would not be called out or dunked on elsewhere is odd. 

 

Making your nationality part of your wedding isn't nefarious but it is weird and unusual. Even with knowing the Israeli flag has a religious symbol on it, the further blurring of national identity and religious identity makes such more curious, not less. 

[theflying]

Or how about you stop acting like an Israeli flag is inherently some political message about killing Palestinians. Grow up. Be a real person. Touch grass. 

[theflying]

Hi @Gayoncé and @Wolf Alice, thank you for your downvotes. Is there anything specifically that I said that you’d like to have a conversation about? Because I am more than happy to.

 

How literally dare people act like my identity, my mere existence, or supporting the one country in the world that is a safe haven for the world’s longest oppressed people, is some inherent act of endorsing the killing of people. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by theflying