celeb news Selena Gomez attends Zionist wedding party where Israel flag is celebrated

[N.M.K.]

4 minutes ago, Oxygen said:

And the means of creating such a state was done by way of land theft, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and war crimes. Gigi is correct, Israel should cease to exist.
 

OT: Can we really expect anything more from Selena at this point? She’s shown time and time again she is, at best, a very ignorant person. 

Ahh I see you're a moderator too. No wonder antisemitism has been rampant on this site without consequence.

[reputaoty]

7 minutes ago, Oxygen said:

And the means of creating such a state was done by way of land theft, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and war crimes. Gigi is correct, Israel should cease to exist.
 

OT: Can we really expect anything more from Selena at this point? She’s shown time and time again she is, at best, a very ignorant person. 

Theres actually misinformation here in this post. Like its a reach and seems so forced to even care about her when she's just attenting a wedding. As you hate on her, could you just do your work as a moderator and close this misinformed thread that people not are even talking about selena just jewish? Like

[ariananext]

17 minutes ago, bestfiction said:

In all fairness, weddings are usually planned months in advance, what are really the odds that she would know there would be an Israeli flag when she received the invitation?

I was talking about the bride and the groom, they're weirdos, imagine making your wedding about nationalism  

[JoeAg]

2 hours ago, N.M.K. said:

Wait until people find out that Jewish ceremonies, Jewish services, Jewish schools all display the Israeli flag. But keep pushing that people saying "Zionists are all ugly" isn't being antisemitic :/

not necessarily… 

 

ever since I moved to colorado, and i’ve gone to ceremonies at dozens of synagogues at this point, I haven’t seen one single israeli flag in any synagogue

 

in fact, I’ve been in Denver for a year and a half now (I lived in Boulder before) and the only israeli flag i’ve seen this whole time believe it or not has been flying from the penthouse of an apartment building in one of the top 3 sketchiest neighborhoods in the city 

 

so yeah, as someone who grew up Jewish and still does Jewish things sometimes (lol) i think it REALLY depends on where you are in the US if you see Israeli flags all the time

 

OT: free Palestine, world

[JoeAg]

1 hour ago, ZIVERT said:

Non Jewish people talking over actual Jewish people about what is and isn’t anti-semitism, and patting each other on the back for it

that… doesn’t feel like what’s happening here (coming from someone with a Jewish background)

[N.M.K.]

4 minutes ago, ariananext said:

I was talking about the bride and the groom, they're weirdos, imagine making your wedding about nationalism  

Many Jews have been embracing the Israeli flag following the oct. 7 attack.

[ariananext]

2 minutes ago, N.M.K. said:

Many Jews have been embracing the Israeli flag following the oct. 7 attack.

Then you shouldn't expect not to be called a zionist. 

[JonginBey]

I mean, she’s already shown her ass many of times before. This isn’t shocking.

[Selegend]

26 minutes ago, bestfiction said:

In all fairness, weddings are usually planned months in advance, what are really the odds that she would know there would be an Israeli flag when she received the invitation?

… exactly. But people dont want to see it. 
 

i was at a wedding 2 years ago that the groom  said Pro-Bolsonaro things for about 5-10minutes honestly and besides it being bizarre i was honestly surprised/shocked cuz i love the bride (family friend) and i wouldnt see that coming.. 

[Trent W]

Also would like to say

 

No one would give a **** if she hadn’t posted that stupid story mentioning this, she should’ve just go on with her life like 99% of the uneducated celebrities.

 

As I said in my last post, calling her a Zionist is extreme

 

But this idiot brought this on herself for oversharing her ignorant opinion

 

Now the people threatening this genocide like a stan war will haunt her until the war is over.

Edited November 27, 2023 by Trent W

[wehan6]

she should've congratulated them and gotten out of there asap. imagine flying that flag around with everything that's happening right now in gaza 

[UnderratedVocalist]

54 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

There was no need to fight in the first place when the original UN charter was put to the table and gave both sides a country. Trying to realize a Nationalist pan-Arab manifest destiny (several times), losing, and then demanding what you were initially offered is a strategy guaranteed to fail. Palestinians have the right to a country of their own, but not built off the back of Hamas terrorism.

But the Israeli Government has been slowly trying to eradicate them and take over the entire land for years now.

Also, please let us not play dumb. Whenever there's a war, the 'real' motive isn't what's being shoved down the public's throat. It's a known fact that Israel wants to take over Gaza and control the oil deployment to EU. The gas pile lines will start from Gaza.

[Jjang]

3 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

There was no need to fight in the first place when the original UN charter was put to the table and gave both sides a country. Trying to realize a Nationalist pan-Arab manifest destiny (several times), losing, and then demanding what you were initially offered is a strategy guaranteed to fail. Palestinians have the right to a country of their own, but not built off the back of Hamas terrorism.

Then why were Palestinians also expelled (and refused the right of return) from regions and cities that were deemed Palestinian territories according to the partition plan itself? why did Israel start a preemptive expansionist war again in 1967? Why is Israel nearing one million illegal settlers living on Palestinian land under apartheid rules protection to this day? 

 

Saying that Palestinians brought this upon themselves because they rejected a plan that heavily disfavors them (feel free to read the hundred years war by Rashid Khalidi for actual context) is just a bad faith argument. 

 

You were also probably taught the “David and Goliath” narrative and that Israel won by some miracle against the many Arab nations when 1. read the book mentioned above again 2. the Zionist militias far exceeded the Arab army in numbers and advanced weaponry and were far better prepared for war (wink wink) than the Arabs were, for that, you can watch the 1948-Remember, Remember not documentary (which is curated by an Israeli director who attempted to be as objective as possible) where they clarify that only one unit (I believe it was the Hagganah) from the Zionist armies were triple the size of the Arab army. 

 

I’m sorry that is uncomfortable for you to hear, but Israel’s existence is fundamentally and irreversibly anti - Palestinian. Racism exists. anti semitism clearly also exists. but the only system in the past ~80 years that has been actively oppressing a group of people is the Zionist regime against the Palestinian people. Never, not even for a day, was it the other way around. 

 

Also, it’s worthy to note that, as historians such as Ilan Pappé claim; Zionism was supported by colonial European powers partially because of an antisemitic sentiment to tactfully drive Jewish people out of Europe (solution to the “Jewish problem”) as well as serving the regional interests of the imperial superpowers in the ME. Romani people were also offered an opportunity for a homeland at some point (which failed) for the same reasons. I don’t buy the idea that Israel is a “safe haven for Jews” when it forces them to quite literally send their teenagers to fight wars or serve in illegally occupied areas (where clearly they risk their lives) in order to ultimately serve and sustain the Western superpowers interest in the region. that doesn’t sound like a peaceful haven to me. I’d think Jews living in the US or Europe are much happier, content and in peace than Israelis.

[Mokichi]

Obsessive haters using the Palestine-Israel conflict to drag celebrities they hate will always be the biggest ick here  You can call her dumb or ignorant after her IG post but calling her a Zionist because she is attending a friend's wedding probably planned since a year ago yikes

[Gov Hooka]

2 hours ago, N.M.K. said:

"Israel is built on war crimes" please point to me where that happened?

 

Zionism is the belief that the Jewish people are entitled to a self-determined Jewish state – something that every other major religion in the world has (multiple of). Israel was founded on Jews who had survived the Holocaust - where two thirds of the entire Jewish people in Europe were killed (actual genocide). It was also founded by refugees from Arab countries who escaped persecution. Jews in Arab states during before and after WWII were having their homes and stores burnt, were being killed, and no nations would take in these Jews – so they returned to their ancestral homeland and the one place Jews had self-determination. Jews also lived in that land for years and continued to have ancestral, holiday, and agricultural ties to that indigenous land. Many Jews also lived in and never left the land of the modern day state of Israel. The State of Israel was partitioned by the UN in the post-WWII period. Note that many countries and lands were divided up again following the end of WWII, which is common at the end of any war, especially land held by those who were on the losing side of the war. And not coincidentally, many of the Arab states that held the land that became the modern state of Israel were Nazi collaborators – thus, them losing the control of such land is again a normal consequence of war.

 

Note also that much of the land in contention today that Israel occupies was won after the Arab states around Israel said they would not accept the existence of a Jewish state in the Middle East (nothing to do, for better or for worse, with the Palestinian people). And after a surprise invasion of Israel by these states on their holiest holiday, Israel was able to hold the nations off and ended up winning more land in that war. (Again, a consequence of war). Much of that land that was not originally portioned to Israel was intended to be held as leverage for future peace talks with the Arab nations. But unfortunately, as time went on and more conflict arose, more hard-lined Israeli people who got elected following terrorist attacks in Israel decided to push for Israelis to settle that land to impede future Israeli governments from being able to give that land back.

 

But with that said, to imply that Israel was founded as some "white genocidal apartheid colonial" entity is just inaccurate and offensive. It was and is a refuge for Jewish people escaping genocide and persecution, and it continues to be a safe haven for Jews who have been persecuted and had their land stolen (including land of the current state of Israel) for millennia. And people find it antisemitic when people deny Israel's right to exist - when it is the only Jewish state in the world and such scrutiny and genocidal calls for the total annihilation of a state is not given to any other nation in the world. And for that reason, people find pure antizionism to be antisemitic. As it begs the question, why is it that the only Jewish state in the world is 1) constantly and disproportionately scrutinized, and 2) called for to be destroyed entirely. Especially when many of those calls come from those who openly call for the destruction of Jews – not just Israel – entirely (For example, Hamas and Iran).

 

@visions

You really typed a whole lot of words to just showcase how uneducated you are… I have to laugh. 
 

Stopped reading when you blatantly disregard the Nakba, well documented Deir Yassin massacres, and other brutal violence perpetrated by Israeli settlers in the creation of Israel… 

[Gov Hooka]

2 hours ago, Riverbank said:

According to their logic, visiting a Holocaust museum where a lot of Israeli flags are on display would make you a bloodthirsty Zionist.  Very unserious people.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/holocaust-industry-norman-g-finkelstein/1100872488
 

Norman Finkelstein has already written about this…  

 

 

[Lille]

Y'all are weird.

[Apolonio ₃₄]

She is so ******* fake and phony lmao  

[Richie.Valdez]

It's okay.. she has lupus.. she gets free-pass for everything.

 

 

[More Than A Melody]

4 hours ago, Taylena said:

That guy is zionist according to who? twitter? and what's the problem with the Israel flag?  Are we now blaming the whole country for the actions of the far-right zionist government? 

Considering the kind of posts I've seen you downvote in the Palestine thread, she would probably prefer for you to not defend her.

 

Edit: downvoting will not change the fact that you're an unapologetic zionist and Selena would probably not want you near her PR defense.

Edited November 27, 2023 by More Than A Melody

[More Than A Melody]

26 minutes ago, Mokichi said:

Obsessive haters using the Palestine-Israel conflict to drag celebrities they hate will always be the biggest ick here  You can call her dumb or ignorant after her IG post but calling her a Zionist because she is attending a friend's wedding probably planned since a year ago yikes

I actually agree with this. Save for people like Noah Schnapp and Amy Schumer (and others who've behaved similarly egregiously), I think most celebs that are called zionists are simply dumb/ignorant and too privileged to care to learn better. You can criticize that, of course, but it's a completely different conversation than actual staunch zionism.

 

My own fav was like "I wanna go perform in Israel" back in 2014, and now refuses to perform there, even though he was directly asked by the propaganda side of the country when he was putting together his Asia leg of tour, but still hasn't uttered a word on the subject. If we go by that, 99.99% of Hollywood is zionists. I really don't think these celebs are as informed as their fans.

[More Than A Melody]

1 hour ago, N.M.K. said:

Ahh I see you're a moderator too. No wonder antisemitism has been rampant on this site without consequence.

Judaism =/= zionism. The mods have actually done a fantastic job of keeping the forum safe from antisemitism even while most users are anti zionists. It doesn't matter how much you try to conflate both things, there's literally no correlation between them.

[Tipee]

1 hour ago, Oxygen said:

And the means of creating such a state was done by way of land theft, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and war crimes. Gigi is correct, Israel should cease to exist.
 

OT: Can we really expect anything more from Selena at this point? She’s shown time and time again she is, at best, a very ignorant person. 

Genuine question, what does ceasing to exist look like? Would the Israelis have to immigrate elsewhere?

[Daddy]

Selena has always been that kind of girl and she won't stop being trash now. 

[Geovane.]

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