celeb news Selena Gomez attends Zionist wedding party where Israel flag is celebrated

[Happylittlepunk]

She didn’t do anything wrong imo. She went to a Jewish friend wedding and supported their love. Meanwhile I see disgusting comments here that whatever Jewish people do or celebrate it automatically means oppression. What the Israel government does is different from what Jewish people are doing in their private lives. This is the same scenario for any person of religion too. 

[airplane]

didn’t she and her zionist ceo also donate to an israeli organisation in the guise of “humanitarian aid in Gaza” or am i mistaken? It’s becoming a pattern at this point

Edited November 27, 2023 by airplane

[N.M.K.]

Wait until people find out that Jewish ceremonies, Jewish services, Jewish schools all display the Israeli flag. But keep pushing that people saying "Zionists are all ugly" isn't being antisemitic :/

[heckinglovato]

Just now, punisher said:

are you dumb?

america as a country isn’t built off being racist, homophobic, women hating, pro life, MAGA. meanwhile israel as a country is literally living on stolen land and occupying the original owners without giving them any rights.

+ and is a current apartheid that is inflicting genocide on its Palestinian natives.

 

(in case they say oh but the US was built on killing native Americans)

[Blue Monday]

53 minutes ago, Taylena said:

That guy is zionist according to who? twitter? and what's the problem with the Israel flag?  Are we now blaming the whole country for the actions of the far-right zionist government? 

You cannot be serious

[N.M.K.]

Just now, Happylittlepunk said:

She didn’t do anything wrong imo. She went to a Jewish friend wedding and supported their love. Meanwhile I see disgusting comments here that whatever Jewish people do or celebrate it automatically means oppression. What the Israel government does is different from what Jewish people are doing in their private lives. This is the same scenario for any person of religion too. 

If she were dancing under the Palestinian flag, would people here rush to say she is supporting the r-pe, murder, and kidnapping of teens, women and children? or would we be able to recognize that Palestinian people – like Jewish people – are not solely responsible for the actions of their government.

[punisher]

1 minute ago, heckinglovato said:

+ and is a current apartheid that is inflicting genocide on its Palestinian natives.

 

(in case they say oh but the US was built on killing native Americans)

yeah i fixed it up because i knew that was their next argument 

[N.M.K.]

1 minute ago, Blue Monday said:

You cannot be serious

Hope you're ok with zionist Natalie Portman in your avi </3

[heckinglovato]

Just now, N.M.K. said:

Wait until people find out that Jewish ceremonies, Jewish services, Jewish schools all display the Israeli flag. But keep pushing that people saying "Zionists are all ugly" isn't being antisemitic :/

Jewish folks who are anti-Israel do not raise the Israeli flag  same as how white American conservatives Christians raise the Israeli flag without having any relation to Judaism.

 

Judaism and Zionism are not the same thing. It's 2023 so stop pedaling the same lie over and over.

[i spit on haters]

5 minutes ago, punisher said:

are you dumb?

america as a country isn’t built off being racist

This is debatable because many would strongly disagree. 

[N.M.K.]

1 minute ago, heckinglovato said:

Jewish folks who are anti-Israel do not raise the Israeli flag  same as how white American conservatives Christians raise the Israeli flag without having any relation to Judaism.

 

Judaism and Zionism are not the same thing. It's 2023 so stop pedaling the same lie over and over.

Over 90% of American Jews believe in the existence of a Jewish state – Israel. More younger Jews are rightfully criticizing the current Israeli government. You can try and deny the Jewish people's ties to Israel as a way to avoid the issue of antisemitism, but your assumption isn't based in reality

[ZIVERT]

ATRL casually villainizing Jewish people, just another day on this site  

[style17]

activists in here would support the holocaust.

[Happylittlepunk]

4 minutes ago, N.M.K. said:

If she were dancing under the Palestinian flag, would people here rush to say she is supporting the r-pe, murder, and kidnapping of teens, women and children? or would we be able to recognize that Palestinian people – like Jewish people – are not solely responsible for the actions of their government.

Palestinian people are not responsible for whatever their own government actions do. I also grew up in a. Corrupt and oppressive government. So I understand how individual feels somewhat when their own governments are doing mess up things or causing oppression to entire communities. people are not thinking critically in this situation regarding Israel vs Palestine I see it all the time online.  

[N.M.K.]

7 minutes ago, heckinglovato said:

+ and is a current apartheid that is inflicting genocide on its Palestinian natives.

 

(in case they say oh but the US was built on killing native Americans)

I know you love to throw around academic buzzword to try to sound like you know what you're talking about, but I implore you to do more research on the meaning of 1) apartheid and 2) being "native" to a land. To equate Arab colonizers to the Native Americans is just incorrect. Will European colonizers be "native" to American land say, 800 years from now? We can recognize the oppression of Palestinian people without throwing around these buzz words :/

[N.M.K.]

1 minute ago, Happylittlepunk said:

Palestinian people are not responsible for whatever their own government actions do. I also grew up in a. Corrupt and oppressive government. So I understand how individual feels somewhat when their own governments are doing mess up things or causing oppression to entire communities. people are not thinking critically in this situation regarding Israel vs Palestine I see it all the time online.  

Sorry I was agreeing with you and just adding onto the point <3

[Happylittlepunk]

5 minutes ago, N.M.K. said:

Over 90% of American Jews believe in the existence of a Jewish state – Israel. More younger Jews are rightfully criticizing the current Israeli government. You can try and deny the Jewish people's ties to Israel as a way to avoid the issue of antisemitism, but your assumption isn't based in reality

And young Jewish Americans have every right to criticize the Israeli government actions causing death and oppressing others. The problem is the older generation feels that if you criticize the government you are being anti-Semitic. Which isn’t true. 

[Sannie]

26 minutes ago, heckinglovato said:

Y... yes?

I mean, I am all for it... my point being that we are going to have to drop all of our faves if this is the expectation. Zionism runs Hollywood and the Music Business. All of our faves associate with Zionists. You can not virtue signal online about dropping Zionists and then support a fave who has Zionist friends/business partners/colleagues. 

[Living Legend]

1 hour ago, Taylena said:

That guy is zionist according to who? twitter? and what's the problem with the Israel flag?  Are we now blaming the whole country for the actions of the far-right zionist government? 

mte

 

The antisemitism jumping out as usual.

[sunbathinganimal]

once again ATRLers are unable (or unwilling) to differentiate between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism

[visions]

Can someone explain how criticising Israel and criticising the use of the flag is anti-semitic?

 

Not looking to provoke I genuinely wanna know cos to me being from Israel =/= being Jewish and being Jewish =/= being a Zionist. 

 

OT: I don’t believe this makes Selena a zionist by default, just unfortunate given the history. 

[N.M.K.]

Just now, Happylittlepunk said:

And young Jewish Americans have every right to criticize the Israeli government actions causing death and oppressing others. The problem is the older generation feels that if you criticize the government you are being anti-Semitic. Which isn’t true. 

Of course – I think older generations come from a different place as well. Older generations saw Israel when it was a weak and still forming state that was borne out of the holocaust, invaded by surrounding countries, proposing two-state solutions that were denied, and subject to constant terrorism/bombings. And us younger people have seen Israel only in its current form: much stronger and also with an increasingly right-wing government that has more and more subjugated innocent Palestinian people. So it's sad, but I think that natural aversion from older generations of this idea of how fragile Israel's existence is/was definitely plays an impact there, for better or for worse.

 

All that being said, we should criticize Israel as we should any other country. But many people – and many in this thread – start at the point of Israel – the only Jewish state in the world – should cease to exist entirely, and that is antisemitic in its own right.

[N.M.K.]

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Edited November 27, 2023 by N.M.K.

[sunbathinganimal]

5 minutes ago, visions said:

Can someone explain how criticising Israel and criticising the use of the flag is anti-semitic?

easy, it's not

[State of Grace.]

The way yall quite literally do not understand what Zionism is  

 

Zionism is an inherently genocidal belief system based on ethnic cleansing and ethno-nationalism.  Israel is built on ethnic cleansing, land theft, apartheid laws, war crimes, murder of Palestinians, etc. 

 

You can argue that some people were born there and actually oppose what Israel is doing or they have been lied to/forcefed propaganda their entire lives, and I agree with that to an extent. But the Israeli flag IS a political statement, especially as that terrorist state has been murdering thousands of people. Let alone waving it during a wedding.

 

The amount of people using Jewish/Israeli/Zionist interchangeably here is so ******* weird and antisemitic, actually. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by State of Grace.