celeb news Selena Gomez attends Zionist wedding party where Israel flag is celebrated

[ZIVERT]

14 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Nothing I've seen from you has ever amounted to "measured conversation." It's always been unquestioned support for Israel and shitting on Palestinians.

Calling out shitbrained ATRLers that parrot Hamas talking points unchecked ≠ unquestioned support for Israel. You don't know me in real life, nor do you hear the conversations I partake in with real people. Not that I have to prove myself to a Putin bootlicker that has spent the last year and half trying to peddle Russian propaganda pieces all over ATRL. The way there isn't a far-right talking point masked as left wing concern trolling you haven't immediately latched yourself onto and willingly spread

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

3 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

The way there isn't a far-right talking point masked as left wing concern trolling you haven't immediately latched yourself onto and willingly spread

 

 

Not "far-right talking points" when you have a history of whitewashing Nazis in response to Canada's Parliament getting criticized for giving one a standing ovation for fighting Russia in WWII  

[Communion]

1 hour ago, ZIVERT said:

Didn't read

Not gonna work, sis! You can't say you're indifferent to someone who is on your mind 24/7! 

 

Anyway, your moral failings are more interesting than petty resentments.

 

Even now, the IDF only sees mass Israeli suffering as another useful tool for the eventual creation of Greater Israel.

1200 Israelis have needlessly died just so that the far-right Israel government can uhh *checks notes* claim "Judea and Samaria". Sounds bad!

 

Every non-Jewish Zionist has the blood of innocent Jewish people on their hands by supporting the ethno-nationalist death cult of Zionism. 

 

 

[BletaRexher]

It’s not really her fault.

That’s embarrassing af to carry around a flag at your wedding. Acting like they’re some oppressed country fighting for their rights when they’re just an embarrassing state that didn’t learn from history at all. If America was in the same position I wouldn’t be carrying around a flag for it. People who are oppressors love to play the victim it’s a kink, it’s very MAGA coded.

[Khris]

[jxbuggie]

How are the comments still open..

[GhostBox]

21 minutes ago, jxbuggie said:

How are the comments still open..

 

22 minutes ago, jxbuggie said:

How are the comments still open..

Hmmm I wonder why 💀

[TouchinFree]

14 hours ago, ZIVERT said:

Literal brain rot  this war with Hamas is pulling out all the antisemitic tropes. Now Israel runs America?!  

Do you know what antisemitism even means ? Where did i direct hatred against jewish people? Your brain is full of fog i swear. 

 

Learn the difference between governments, Religion/spiritual belief, political ideologies, political movements, political agendas and so forth because you clearly lack simple education. 

Edited November 29, 2023 by TouchinFree

[JBJT2786]

39 minutes ago, jxbuggie said:

How are the comments still open..

Cuz it stopped being about Selena about 12 pages ago...

[ClashAndBurn]

18 hours ago, Harrier said:

it reads as a justification for some future ethnic cleansing

You say as you're knowingly justifying the ethnic cleansing of @heckinglovato and others/

 

19 hours ago, Harrier said:

I will add that 70% of Israeli Jews were born in Israel, and that percentage continues to rise as time goes on.

You say as if that mattered when Palestinians were forcibly displaced during the Nakba.

 

19 hours ago, Harrier said:

We need peace, and part of that peace involves the acknowledgement that Israelis are there to stay, regardless of whether we are talking about a one or two state solution.

That peace is impossible because of the actions of Israel, who've subjugated and abused the people of Gaza and the West Bank, to the point that they're not even allowed to collect rain water for drinking and irrigation. Netanyahu has spelled out clearly that two-state solution is not on the table for what Israel will accept, and they've gone even further to clarify they have genocidal intent for the region. Once the burden of concern for hostages' well-being has been passed, Israel has no need to hold back what comes next in order to leave Gazans with no other options but to die or to seek refuge in Egypt and never be allowed to return.

[hypnodemiluv]

Stop defending this Selenators. Have some dignity. She is the most disgusting person in history. Trash. 

[theflying]

10 hours ago, Dreamer2023 said:

THEN LEAVE! Nobody is forcing you to stay.  Atrl is pro palestine and you need to deal with it 

Nope. If there’s going to be rampant anti-Semitism here, the perpetrators deserve to hear about it 

[theflying]

9 hours ago, Bloo said:

Yes, I’m saying if a terrorist organization murders 1,200 people you do NOT turn around a murder 20,000 innocent civilians. It’s really that simple even anime and video games have drilled home how stupid getting payback is.

 

Israel’s war crimes against Palestinians will only inspire more people to hate them for murdering their loved ones which will inspire more violence. 
 

Nothing justifies Israel’s ridiculous and cartoonish response. 

Hi Bloo, would you like to elaborate why you’re allowing a topic acting like going to a Jewish wedding means you’re endorsing killing people?

Edited November 29, 2023 by theflying

[theflying]

9 hours ago, Communion said:

I mean, this dehumanization of Palestinians is why 10/07 happened. 

 

If the only options you give the youth of Gaza is to either be a subjugated orphan or a terrorist, you can't be shocked and surprised when they choose to be a terrorist. 

 

The existance of Israel makes Jews less safe.

 

Of course the safety of Jews within the borders of historical Palestine might not actually mean much to an American with a six figure income or a globe trotting European, whose interests lie more in what Israel ~represents~ for them (be it a delusional religious Christian prophecy or one's own radicalization into a Western supremacist after dating a European nationalist for a few years [people really do love oversharing on here]), but 10/07 was a wake up call of what *you* people wanted to happen. 

 

Anyone who is a Zionist wanted 10/07 to happen. 

 

Because in what logical world would the citizens of Israel be able to live their lives like as though they were New Yorkers... or Londoners... or Berlinites.. or whatever cosmopolitan urbanites with first world capitalist lifestyles the Western world wanted them to be while living on top of the world's largest concentration camp?

 

Violence begets violence. You can be smarmy online and openly condescending about how little value Palestinians lives hold to you, but Hamas has already shattered the fundamental psychological safety the cruelty of the settler colony offerels to those in its borders and no amount of gloating online about wanting Palestinians dead will ever rebuild that feeling of safety and peace that those invested in the settler colonial project once had. 

Hi, for all the “there is no anti-Semitism and no justifying Hamas’ violence going on in here” crowd, this is literally what this is.

 

No one “forces” anyone to become a terrorist. Stop victim blaming and pardoning Hamas.

[Gaia]

Istg it’s the same members in every damn thread turning it in another Israel vs Palestine thing when there already is an official thread. Mods can we can either ban these topics or be a little more strict with OT

[Marianah Adkins]

Hmmm I dont think she’s at fault here really

but I’m curious as how will her stans go in defending this to the point of downright defending Zionism (a dangerous ideology in itself). 

[lauren198]

I doubt Selena knows what Zionism is.
I don't think all the foreign Jewish people know either, they were just fed the information that Hamas wants to end Israel and Israel is just fighting for his right to exist as a Country. But the people who live in Israel are well aware of what I saw around and many of them dream of lands beyond the Palestine territories.

I think this will never be over because both those nations don't accept they're stuck with each other. Nothing that either side dreams of is realistic. 

[Headlock]

20 hours ago, theflying said:

Proud Zionist here — no, I do not endorse the settler movement.

[theflying]

4 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Yup! I know it’s hard for the “Zionism is genocide” crowd, but Zionism actually means a range of things, from “There should be an Israel that peacefully exists with its neighbors” to “Palestinians in the West Bank should die and Jewish Supremecy should rule”.

 

Does the desire of Palestinians to have a state inherently mean they want to murder all the Israelis? 
 

No?

 

Then stop acting like Zionism is any different. It’s not.

 

Zionism was the idea that there should be a Jewish state. There was an attempt at two states that Jews accepted and Arabs rejected. The Arabs countries all attacked Israel at once, and through that war, hundreds of thousands were displaced.

 

Zionism does NOT inherently mean “kill Palestinians”. Because depending on who you ask, the goal of Zionism was being achieved even with a Palestinian state. 
 

Trying to say that Israel is inherently Zionism is inherently for the killing of Palestinians, like, for example, automatically equating an Israeli flag as a symbol of killing Palestinians…

 

*is anti-Semitic*.

[Communion]

1 minute ago, theflying said:

Does the desire of Palestinians to have a state

The recognition of a Palestinian state simply means recognizing that the people who have currently lived on land for the last 700-1000 years effectively are a state, no matter how many times Zionists claim Palestinians were nothing but "Arab serfs and farmers living on land they themselves did not own".

 

The recognition of an Israel state has always meant the mass expulsion of Palestinians, whether in the partition suggested by the UN or now as modern day Israel seeks to push every Gazan into the Sinai or ocean to die.

 

[Headlock]

4 minutes ago, theflying said:

Yup! I know it’s hard for the “Zionism is genocide” crowd, but Zionism actually means a range of things, from “There should be an Israel that peacefully exists with its neighbors” to “Palestinians in the West Bank should die and Jewish Supremecy should rule”.

Hows that going for ya?  Let me guess, the big bad Palestinians are making it hard for you to occupy a land… that already had people living there?

[theflying]

Since people are being incredibly thick about “Zionism”, how about if I ignored that Palestinians saying people are “martyred” is a form of respect given to anyone who dies in conflict and NOT just an indication that it’s all “wanting to die a terrorist”?

Because that’s a lot of grace that a lot of people in the West don’t like to give the term.

And Palestinians try hard to articulate that someone “martyred” doesn’t just mean it’s “celebrating some terrorist’s death”.

 

See! It’s not actually that hard to recognize that words can mean a few different things depending on who you ask.

 

Is there anything that can close this anti-Semitic topic now?

[theflying]

1 minute ago, Headlock said:

Hows that going for ya?  Let me guess, the big bad Palestinians are making it hard for you to occupy a land… that already had people living there?

How’s it going for “me”?

 

Gaza is the one that’s a shithole because its leaders throw away their lives and the lives of their people in pursuit of a messianic justice they will never have. 

[theflying]

7 minutes ago, Communion said:

The recognition of a Palestinian state simply means recognizing that the people who have currently lived on land for the last 700-1000 years effectively are a state, no matter how many times Zionists claim Palestinians were nothing but "Arab serfs and farmers living on land they themselves did not own".

 

The recognition of an Israel state has always meant the mass expulsion of Palestinians, whether in the partition suggested by the UN or now as modern day Israel seeks to push every Gazan into the Sinai or ocean to die.

 

Okay. You got it. I recognize your definition.

 

Now what.

 

Palestinians are still never getting the land back.

[Headlock]

1 minute ago, theflying said:

How’s it going for “me”?

 

Gaza is the one that’s a shithole because its leaders throw away their lives and the lives of their people in pursuit of a messianic justice they will never have. 

Oh, so you’re just a full sociopath huh