celeb news Selena Gomez attends Zionist wedding party where Israel flag is celebrated

[State of Grace.]

After the genocide denial pages ago, we've now entered genocide apology under the guise of "self defense". Keep going 

[Kassi]

33 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Israel could also just not murder civilians. 

Ditto for Hamas.

[Dreamer2023]

31 minutes ago, theflying said:

Furthermore, the fact that a moderator decided to not only keep this topic open, but *chime in* and essentially endorse the topic being open, is disgusting. 
 

Like, you want to talk lazy response? How about you address this entire bigoted topic of acting like someone attending a Jewish wedding means they’re “endorsing genocide”.

 

There is NO need for this topic. If people want to come to ATRL to talk about the Israel-Palestine conflict, it does not need to happen in an inherently bigoted topic like this.

 

I am *so* tired of the bigotry and casual anti-Semitism being allowed to flourish here. 

THEN LEAVE! Nobody is forcing you to stay.  Atrl is pro palestine and you need to deal with it 

[heckinglovato]

30 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

After the genocide denial pages ago, we've now entered genocide apology under the guise of "self defense". Keep going 

Progress!

[Communion]

4 hours ago, ZIVERT said:

So why is a Jewish ethnostate (in which one in every five people is a non-Jewish, indigenous Arab) inherently worse than an Arab Muslim ethnostate? Please explain 

I'm sorry but these are white supremacist talking points and it's obvious what NED or Atlantic Council twitter influencers you're following to get these nonsensical arguments from. 

 

Suggesting that the West has no duty to hold what is essentially a vassal state of America accountable because Pakistan or Myammar are also problematic is not an argument.

 

You can copy and paste nasty remarks from globe emoji twitter criticizing the UN for putting so much emphasis on Palestine yet these talking points are easily debunked. You constantly downplay the horrors unfolding in Palestine by referencing things like Syria (despite that the pace of which Israel is going would see a larger % of Gazans killed in 3 months than Syrians died in a multi-year civil war) and tryng to downplay the suffering of the Palestinians, but because these talking points are not your own and you are just a useful idiot for Western regimes, you avoid accountability when they're debunked. 

 

The scale of violence at which Israel is unleashing on Palestinians is unprecedented in recent memory. It is objectively worse than any conflict of the last 30 years. It is the cumulative result of the Western war on terror militarism and hysterics turned to the highest notch on the dial and all you can argue is "Hmm but are all conflicts being currently addressed at the exact same.time? Hmm why not? I am very smart!"

 

 

[Communion]

30 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Ditto for Hamas.

 

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

*blinks*

[kataraqueen]

Team Hailey Bieber

[Kassi]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

*blinks*

Hamas should do more to protect Palestinian children. I agree.

[ZIVERT]

13 minutes ago, Communion said:

I'm sorry but these are white supremacist talking points and it's obvious what NED or Atlantic Council twitter influencers you're following to get these nonsensical arguments from. 

 

Suggesting that the West has no duty to hold what is essentially a vassal state of America accountable because Pakistan or Myammar are also problematic is not an argument.

 

You can copy and paste nasty remarks from globe emoji twitter criticizing the UN for putting so much emphasis on Palestine yet these talking points are easily debunked. You constantly downplay the horrors unfolding in Palestine by referencing things like Syria (despite that the pace of which Israel is going would see a larger % of Gazans killed in 3 months than Syrians died in a multi-year civil war) and tryng to downplay the suffering of the Palestinians, but because these talking points are not your own and you are just a useful idiot for Western regimes, you avoid accountability when they're debunked. 

 

The scale of violence at which Israel is unleashing on Palestinians is unprecedented in recent memory. It is objectively worse than any conflict of the last 30 years. It is the cumulative result of the Western war on terror militarism and hysterics turned to the highest notch on the dial and all you can argue is "Hmm but are all conflicts being currently addressed at the exact same.time? Hmm why not? I am very smart!"

 

 

Didn't read, but can someone tell me if I won?

 

[KeshaSwift]

Wow this thread creator is obviously antisemitist, spreading hate and insults. Sad.

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OT: good for her 

[Bloo]

1 hour ago, theflying said:

No, sorry, it does not work like that. You know who could also not murder civilians? Hamas. You’re telling the Jewish state that people are allowed to slaughter 1200 people, and they can’t retaliate because they’ll “not murder civilians”.

Yes, I’m saying if a terrorist organization murders 1,200 people you do NOT turn around a murder 20,000 innocent civilians. It’s really that simple even anime and video games have drilled home how stupid getting payback is.

 

Israel’s war crimes against Palestinians will only inspire more people to hate them for murdering their loved ones which will inspire more violence. 
 

Nothing justifies Israel’s ridiculous and cartoonish response. 

[Bloo]

56 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Ditto for Hamas.

Babe, no one is defending Hamas. What kinda gotcha do you think this is?

[ZIVERT]

7 minutes ago, KeshaSwift said:

Wow this thread creator is obviously antisemitist, spreading hate and insults. Sad.

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OT: good for her 

Wondering how many more users that aren’t camped out in the Israel-Palestine megathread spreading conspiracy theories have to come in here and say the obvious before this thread is closed, and antisemitism is actually taken seriously on this site 

[heckinglovato]

7 minutes ago, KeshaSwift said:

Wow this thread creator is obviously antisemitist, spreading hate and insults. Sad.

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OT: good for her 

Not when I called out a user who was being antisemitic like a page ago, praised the fact that Palestinian Jews where living alongside Palestinian Christians and Muslims prior to 1948, and praised Jewish voices who stand up against apartheid including Naom Chomski all in one thread, nice try 

 

As a Zionist you can't stand the fact that I'm Palestinian and nearly everyone in here is siding with me and my people 

[KeshaSwift]

5 minutes ago, heckinglovato said:

Not when I called out a user who was being antisemitic like a page ago, praised the fact that Palestinian Jews where living alongside Palestinian Christians and Muslims prior to 1948, and praised Jewish voices who stand up against apartheid including Naom Chomski all in one thread, nice try 

 

As a Zionist you can't stand the fact that I'm Palestinian and nearly everyone in here is siding with me and my people 

That doesn’t change the fact of your countless antisemitist comments. Heck even the title of this thread does an antisemitic remark. don’t back off just because you got called for it. 
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OT: glad she supports the only democracy in the Middle East, it’s haters can **** off all they want 

Edited November 28, 2023 by KeshaSwift

[heckinglovato]

Just now, KeshaSwift said:

That doesn’t change the fact of your countless antisemitist comment. Heck even the title of this thread does an antisemitic remark. don’t back off just because you got called for it. 
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OT: glad she supports the only democracy in the Middle East, it’s hater can **** off all they want 

Not a single anti-Semitic comment in this thread or my entire life  and I will continue to call out anti-Semitism like I did to that one user, and continue fighting along with many Jewish folks for a free Palestine where Jews, Muslims and Christians can live together again, not under apartheid or threat of genocide. 

 

The tides are shifting and the people are finally coming to support our side and I know for a fact you can't stand to see that 

[Rob_Matteo]

6 minutes ago, KeshaSwift said:

the only democracy in the Middle East

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[KeshaSwift]

Just now, heckinglovato said:

Not a single anti-Semitic comment in this thread or my entire life  and I will continue to call out anti-Semitism like I did to that one user, and continue fighting along with many Jewish folks for a free Palestine where Jews, Muslims and Christians can live together again, not under apartheid or threat of genocide. 

 

The tides are shifting and the people are finally coming to support our side and I know for a fact you can't stand to see that 

ohh don’t worry I’m just great in  my beautiful country, knowing I’m living in a democratic full of opportunities and  a financial and technological powerhouse. I know that makes you seethe  keep doing your little threads tho whatever makes your heart beat a lil faster

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OT: Israel loves the Mexican Madonna 

[Rob_Matteo]

1 minute ago, KeshaSwift said:

ohh don’t worry I’m just great in  my beautiful country, knowing I’m living in a democratic full of opportunities and  a financial and technological powerhouse. I know that makes you seethe  keep doing your little threads tho whatever makes your heart beat a lil faster

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OT: Israel loves the Mexican Madonna 

it’s actually his country 

[heckinglovato]

1 minute ago, Rob_Matteo said:

it’s actually his country 

Not him thinking it's a flex to rub the fact that he lives there in the face of someone whose family was kicked out and banned from living in their own country  

 

It's all "we're one and the same and we're a diverse democracy" until they're triggered then they become publicly vicious and it shows their true colors to the whole world. 

[Isaiah]

I'm 100% team palestine but you are seriously a moron if you think the jewish flag being present at a jewish wedding equals zionism 

 

Judaism is not Zionism, just like being Palestinian doesn't mean you are Hamas, this shouldn't be very hard for adults to understand

[Communion]

40 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Hamas should do more to protect Palestinian children. I agree.

I mean, this dehumanization of Palestinians is why 10/07 happened. 

 

If the only options you give the youth of Gaza is to either be a subjugated orphan or a terrorist, you can't be shocked and surprised when they choose to be a terrorist. 

 

The existance of Israel makes Jews less safe.

 

Of course the safety of Jews within the borders of historical Palestine might not actually mean much to an American with a six figure income or a globe trotting European, whose interests lie more in what Israel ~represents~ for them (be it a delusional religious Christian prophecy or one's own radicalization into a Western supremacist after dating a European nationalist for a few years [people really do love oversharing on here]), but 10/07 was a wake up call of what *you* people wanted to happen. 

 

Anyone who is a Zionist wanted 10/07 to happen. 

 

Because in what logical world would the citizens of Israel be able to live their lives like as though they were New Yorkers... or Londoners... or Berlinites.. or whatever cosmopolitan urbanites with first world capitalist lifestyles the Western world wanted them to be while living on top of the world's largest concentration camp?

 

Violence begets violence. You can be smarmy online and openly condescending about how little value Palestinians lives hold to you, but Hamas has already shattered the fundamental psychological safety the cruelty of the settler colony offerels to those in its borders and no amount of gloating online about wanting Palestinians dead will ever rebuild that feeling of safety and peace that those invested in the settler colonial project once had. 

[Isaiah]

27 minutes ago, KeshaSwift said:

That doesn’t change the fact of your countless antisemitist comments. Heck even the title of this thread does an antisemitic remark. don’t back off just because you got called for it. 
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OT: glad she supports the only democracy in the Middle East, it’s haters can **** off all they want 

apparently bombing thousands of innocent civilians and terrorizing them for years is okay if your president was democratically elected 

[Harrier]

26 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Babe, no one is defending Hamas. What kinda gotcha do you think this is?

No one has done so in here, but the Israel Palestine thread has contained many, many defenses and apologia for Hamas including: members pushing narratives the Oct 7th was an inside job, that Hamas' violence represents justified resistance against oppression, and that we as Westerners have no place to tell Hamas how to do their resistance etc etc 

 

I am not Jewish and so it has been easier for me to just comfortably argue with these members, and I don't report in the civics section, but I can very easily understand why Jewish members might feel uncomfortable with some of what has been posted in there in the past months. I support what y'all have been doing thread banning looney Zionist members & I don't think the posts from pro Palestine members have ever been as bad as that, but I do think its not fair to suggest "no one is defending Hamas" on ATRL  Even interpreting very charitably, we clearly have apologists.

[ClashAndBurn]

40 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

Wondering how many more users that aren’t camped out in the Israel-Palestine megathread spreading conspiracy theories have to come in here and say the obvious before this thread is closed, and antisemitism is actually taken seriously on this site 

It's not a conspiracy theory to state that the OP's family was evicted from their ancestral home and there might be some understandable grievances that don't stem from purely being "anti-Semitic." It's funny how all the "I condemn violence on both sides" people like you ALWAYS have to make it clear how actually pro-Israel you are and how you all think being supportive of Palestinian civilians who are being indiscriminately bombed back into the Stone Age as a part of a revanchist collective punishment campaign is inherently pro-Hamas.  

 

Nothing I've seen from you has ever amounted to "measured conversation." It's always been unquestioned support for Israel and shitting on Palestinians.