official chart Billboard Charts (Week of November 25, 2023)

[taylor__fan]

3 hours ago, pride4jc1222 said:

Jack was robbed of a #1 debut. Lovin on Me was the biggest song of the week, but the Hot 100 does not reflect that because radio weighs way too much and refuses to let go of Cruel Summer, even though we are so far into November.

 

Fast Car being ahead of Last Night still further proves how inaccurate this Hot 100 is.

We have had this tired arguments since 2010, when everybody was suggesting that radio was irrelevant and only digital sales should be considered.

Flash forward to 2023 and radio is 1000 times more relevant than digital sales. Just accept that radio is an important part of the music industry and move on. I hate it sometimes when songs that I love underperform in radio, but it is what it is.

[Kasix]

3 hours ago, pride4jc1222 said:

Jack was robbed of a #1 debut. Lovin on Me was the biggest song of the week, but the Hot 100 does not reflect that because radio weighs way too much and refuses to let go of Cruel Summer, even though we are so far into November.

 

Fast Car being ahead of Last Night still further proves how inaccurate this Hot 100 is.

Jack was not robbed of a #1 debut.
 

You can’t even be robbed of a #1 debut because you either have the pull to completely outdo songs that have been out months (in this case, years), or you don’t. there is no crying about it.
 

play the grinding upwards with radio game, (and it this case its will just be there in week 2). There’s nothing unjust about it, and it certainly isn’t not getting robbed. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by Kasix

[NEX]

3 hours ago, pride4jc1222 said:

Jack was robbed of a #1 debut. Lovin on Me was the biggest song of the week, but the Hot 100 does not reflect that because radio weighs way too much and refuses to let go of Cruel Summer, even though we are so far into November.

 

Fast Car being ahead of Last Night still further proves how inaccurate this Hot 100 is.

You're like a broken radio at this point...

[Psyduck]

#2 debut is still massive and shows Jack is here to stay

[AlBeRtX]

4 weeks at #1 for 4 awating years. feels correct.

 

Cruel Smash!

 

Now release Cornelia street ❤️

[LastKiss]

Cruel SMASH.

Lover winning this year feels so CORRECT

 

[suburbannature]

Did Brenda re-enter?

[on the line]

4 hours ago, pride4jc1222 said:

Jack was robbed of a #1 debut. Lovin on Me was the biggest song of the week, but the Hot 100 does not reflect that because radio weighs way too much and refuses to let go of Cruel Summer, even though we are so far into November.

 

Fast Car being ahead of Last Night still further proves how inaccurate this Hot 100 is.

Oh look, ANOTHER post about Taylor you're trolling in. It's you, hi!

[on the line]

Hopefully President Biden pardons all the cruel turkeys this summer Thanksgiving !

[Both Sides Now]

Jack is beating the female Iggy Azealea allegations 

[pride4jc1222]

11 minutes ago, on the line said:

Oh look, ANOTHER post about Taylor you're trolling in. It's you, hi!

I'm not complaining because it's Taylor. I'm complaining because the most popular song wasn't #1. If the roles were reversed, and Taylor had the 22M stream and 12k sales song, and got blocked by a song with 14.4M streams and 3k sales, I'd be complaining that Taylor wasn't #1.

 

The Hot 100 formula has been inaccurate since Billboard removed TikTok from the Hot 100 formula in January 2020.

 

(By the way, I never complained about Cruel Summer’s first 2 weeks because they were deserved.)

Edited November 20, 2023 by pride4jc1222

[on the line]

1 minute ago, pride4jc1222 said:

I'm not complaining because it's Taylor. I'm complaining because the most popular song wasn't #1. If the roles were reversed, and Taylor had the 22M stream and 12k sales song, and got blocked by a song with 14.4M streams and 3k sales, I'd be complaining that Taylor wasn't #1.

 

The Hot 100 formula has been inaccurate since Billboard removed TikTok from the Hot 100 formula in January 2020.

Actually my bad. I thought you were someone else! I do agree w/ you that radio has too much weight in these.

[Kasix]

1 hour ago, taylor__fan said:

We have had this tired arguments since 2010, when everybody was suggesting that radio was irrelevant and only digital sales should be considered.

Flash forward to 2023 and radio is 1000 times more relevant than digital sales. Just accept that radio is an important part of the music industry and move on. I hate it sometimes when songs that I love underperform in radio, but it is what it is.

 not even that complicated. 
 

It’s literally up to whether the artist has the pull, the fame, the advertising prowess, or the catchiness of their song to outdo other songs that are already out for months. 
 

If you do then you do, and if you don’t then play catch up with radio. simple as that. 

[Green]

2 hours ago, Kasix said:

 not even that complicated. 
 

It’s literally up to whether the artist has the pull, the fame, the advertising prowess, or the catchiness of their song to outdo other songs that are already out for months. 
 

If you do then you do, and if you don’t then play catch up with radio. simple as that. 

 

Sometimes it's just about the artist's fanbase. Drake had a #1 debut 2 months ago that it's already out of the top 70

[Kasix]

50 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said:

I'm not complaining because it's Taylor. I'm complaining because the most popular song wasn't #1. If the roles were reversed, and Taylor had the 22M stream and 12k sales song, and got blocked by a song with 14.4M streams and 3k sales, I'd be complaining that Taylor wasn't #1.

 

The Hot 100 formula has been inaccurate since Billboard removed TikTok from the Hot 100 formula in January 2020.

 

(By the way, I never complained about Cruel Summer’s first 2 weeks because they were deserved.)

oh so you’re another one of those people who confuses overall consumption chart with a single metric chart.
 

1) you understand that streaming isn’t the only consuming method that matters or are being counted correct? 
 

2) and that radio isnt some independent institution outside of what people hears and consumes, in fact,  audience callouts are responsible for what gets played too, correct? 
 

3) so if metric 1 didn’t overpower metrics 1+2, then it is not the most popular song of the week. 
 

 

oh and don’t even get started with the 20 second background noise horsecrap. 

 

 

Edited November 20, 2023 by Kasix

[Kasix]

9 minutes ago, Green said:

 

Sometimes it's just about the artist's fanbase. Drake had a #1 debut in 2 months ago that it's already out of the top 70

So he has the pull and fame, but not the catchiness. 

[Ger]

 

 

Well, what a coincidence...

Edited November 21, 2023 by Ger-55

[Steve Johnson]

Cruel Summer 

[Raphy23]

Tate is coming

[brianc33710]

5 hours ago, Lille said:

"Cruel Summer" is going to end up being Taylor's biggest song (point-wise) on the Hot 100

Not even Anti-Hero could pass Shake It Off with the reduced multipliers Billboard uses for the GOAT charts now. So Cruel Summer passing SIO will take significant longevity. I don't know if CS will still be Top 3 by March. 

[SweetTalker]

8 hours ago, Both Sides Now said:

Jack is beating the female Iggy Azealea allegations 

He was never going to be the male Iggy

[Sad Serenade]

greedy 

[Steve Johnson]

6 hours ago, brianc33710 said:

Not even Anti-Hero could pass Shake It Off with the reduced multipliers Billboard uses for the GOAT charts now. So Cruel Summer passing SIO will take significant longevity. I don't know if CS will still be Top 3 by March. 

Yeah Anti Hero would’ve easily surpassed 1 million points with 0.85 multiplier but got stuck at 902k with 0.7 multiplier. Ugh!

[Bosque]

13 hours ago, pride4jc1222 said:

I'm not complaining because it's Taylor. I'm complaining because the most popular song wasn't #1. If the roles were reversed, and Taylor had the 22M stream and 12k sales song, and got blocked by a song with 14.4M streams and 3k sales, I'd be complaining that Taylor wasn't #1.

 

The Hot 100 formula has been inaccurate since Billboard removed TikTok from the Hot 100 formula in January 2020.

 

(By the way, I never complained about Cruel Summer’s first 2 weeks because they were deserved.)

It being “inaccurate” is just your opinion though. The number 1 song on radio generally has an audience of 70-80 million. Streaming and radio charts barely have any correlation any more. If a song is #1 on radio, my parents have probably heard it. If a song is #1 on streaming but N/A on radio, they haven’t. There’s already the streaming chart so removing radio from the Hot 100 would be redundant. 

[Extremely Stable]

Cruel Smash yas