news Germany considers tying citizenship to recognition of Israel, anti-Zionism = sedition

[ontherocks]

5 minutes ago, réveuse said:

That's because you are a far-right racist nazi.

 

He didn't even say that about me, but to another member, but hey. You live and learn 

[Bosque]

19 minutes ago, Communion said:

"I don't like Biden and won't vote for him until he supports progressive policies" =/= "Defending Trump"

 

Again, sorry little neo-nazi, but your far-right propaganda doesn't work here! 

 

Imagine defending nativist immigration policy just because you think it's fine for Europeans to be racists. You #SaveEuropa nazis ARE Trump MAGAS! 

I'll give this much to you, no one gaslights like you do the lack of shame required to write these posts is insane. Calling me a neo-nazi for saying that maybe Jews have a right to exist... you're a funny guy 

Edited November 19, 2023 by Dephira

[Miracle Whip]

28 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

Okay 

 

Based @Communion

[ontherocks]

6 minutes ago, Dephira said:

I'll give this much to you, no one gaslights like you do the lack of shame required to write these posts is insane. Calling me a neo-nazi for saying that maybe Jews have a right to exist... you're a funny guy 

I smell an essay comming

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, Dephira said:

I'll give this much to you, no one gaslights like you do the lack of shame required to write these posts is insane. Calling me a neo-nazi for saying that maybe Jews have a right to exist... you're a funny guy 

Are you suggesting the problem with neo-nazism was not that it was extermination movement against a ethnic minority but only that such happened within the borders of Europe and thus promoting Israel's goals of ethnic extermination thousands of miles away of a different ethnic minority NOW are fine cause it's out of Europe's hair?  

 

Does the failure of Europe to have created an ethnostate for the Roma post-Holocaust mean they think Roma deserve to not exist? 

 

You #SaveEuropa MAGAs have no ability to talk about your views on immigration and ethnic diversity without revealing the fascist within! 

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

I smell an essay comming

*searches the word 'German' with your username*

 

2015 vs now. The actual far-right radicalization of Europeans in real time. 

 

Edited November 19, 2023 by Communion

[ontherocks]

10 minutes ago, Communion said:

*searches the word 'German' with your username*

 

2015 vs now. The actual far-right radicalization of Europeans in real time. 

 

Has literally nothing to do with the topic here. But taking things out of context and turning them into something they are not, is one of your specialties. 

 

I also wonder what and who gives you the right to lecture members who are living the life of an immigrant or in the case of @ZIVERT trying to educate them about politics in Ukraine when they have actually left Ukraine shortly before the war started?

 

Your entitlement to radical enemy name calling is nothing short of amazing, either.

 

But this is where my discussion with you stops. I'll let the mods deal with you calling other members on here Nazis. Have a nice day! 

Edited November 19, 2023 by ontherocks

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

I also wonder what and who gives you the right to lecture members who are living the life of an immigrant

You mean the same life in 2015 that saw you saying German society was at large racist and nativist by your own very experiences? 

 

But yet when asked if the German movement leading pro-Zionist policies referring to Muslims and Arabs as orcs or invaders is indicative of racism, you suddenly say no?  

 

What changed? 

[ZIVERT]

Just now, ontherocks said:

Has literally nothing to do with the topic here. But taking things out of context and turning them into something they are not, is one of your specialties. 

 

I also wonder what and who gives you the right to lecture members who are living the life of an immigrant or in the case of @ZIVERT trying to educate them about politics in Ukraine when they have actually left Ukraine shortly before the war started. 

 

Your entitlement to radical enemy name calling is nothing short of amazing, either.

 

But this is where my discussion with you stops. I'll let the mods deal with you calling other members on here Nazis. Have a nice day! 

Communion uses the fascist tactic of mudslinging to distract from the topic at hand, usually when he’s losing grasp of the narrative he’s created. I find it especially ironic that Germany is being demonized here for trying to fix the mistakes of its Nazi past when his crusade against Ukraine is centered around Ukrainians being Jew hating Nazis that allied themselves with fascist Germans. Like his defense of terrorism, it appears antisemitism only matters when it can be weaponized against people who disagree with him.

[ontherocks]

1 minute ago, ZIVERT said:

Communion uses the fascist tactic of mudslinging to distract from the topic at hand, usually when he’s losing grasp of the narrative he’s created. I find it especially ironic that Germany is being demonized here for trying to fix the mistakes of its Nazi past when his crusade against Ukraine is centered around Ukrainians being Jew hating Nazis that allied themselves with fascist Germans. Like his defense of terrorism, it appears antisemitism only matters when it can be weaponized against people who disagree with him.

Accompanied by a long essay and just like you said, twisting and turning your words. 

 

I will stop the discussions with him. Calling a long time member of this forum a neo-nazi was the last straw. He's just beyond repair at this point. 

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

for trying to fix the mistakes of its Nazi past

Y'all gotta come up with something fresher, the "actually, not wanting Israel to ethnically cleanse Palestinian youth makes you a neo-nazi u_u" thing isn't resonating outside of like Central European grandmothers. You're not even maintaining the grasp of propaganda over most of Western & Northern Europe at this point:

 

 

[Bosque]

23 minutes ago, Communion said:

*searches the word 'German' with your username*

 

2015 vs now. The actual far-right radicalization of Europeans in real time. 

 

Nah sis, screenshotting and holding on to a post by a complete stranger from 2015 (which was more than 8 years ago) and posting it as a gotcha attempt even though it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic on hand is wild. You need therapy, it's not a joke any longer

[Communion]

22 minutes ago, Dephira said:

 nothing to do with the topic on hand

It has everything to do with the topic at hand. The support for Zionism in Germany is fueled by nativism and white supremacy (see: leftist Jews being beaten by cops). 

The user knows this because they quite literally right now used their identity as a "former Muslim immigrant" to shield the policy proposal from criticism.

 

They were asked point blank: "Well.. then do you think it's fine for the place you've lived most of your life to deport you if you suddenly didn't support Israel?"

And they said something as objectively insane as "yes". 

 

So any reasonable person could simply search their past posts - the search function exists for a reason - to see if this person is a self-hating racist or just a troll.

 

And in response to their insane "yes, deport me if I don't support Israel!!", I pointed out their past posts contradict this insane hot take and that either they're so far gone into being a Western nationalist or they're trolling and there's no point in discussing something with someone willing to troll like that.  

 

Edited November 19, 2023 by Communion

[ontherocks]

15 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Nah sis, screenshotting and holding on to a post by a complete stranger from 2015 (which was more than 8 years ago) and posting it as a gotcha attempt even though it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic on hand is wild. You need therapy, it's not a joke any longer

He has no understanding of context, nuance or reality. It's hopeless to even discuss that with him 

Edited November 19, 2023 by ontherocks

[VOSS]

It’s not particularly shocking that Germany, which not too long ago eradicated 6 million+ Jews in gas chambers (I know several ATRL members dispute this, but historians largely don’t), would feel the need to take such drastic measures to push back against antisemitism. Though I’m not surprised the terrorist-affiliated source in the OP wouldn’t provide such “historical context”

[loliza]

Some habits are hard to die

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, VOSS said:

It’s not particularly shocking that Germany, which not too long ago eradicated 6 million+ Jews in gas chambers (I know several ATRL members dispute this, but historians largely don’t), would feel the need to take such drastic measures to push back against antisemitism. Though I’m not surprised the terrorist-affiliated source in the OP wouldn’t provide such “historical context”

The irony being that the only members to push Holocaust denialism on ATRL are various right-wing European members from places like Poland who used to post that Muslim migration is destroying Europe. Odd how some users think checking the facts of people's post histories is somehow bad. How many users who cheered on drowning migrants in the ocean and supporting modern-day neo-nazi parties now want to lecture everyone else on antisemitism? 

 

Let's have the mods re-enable the search function on Classic ATRL and really get to discussing who the Holocaust deniers and antisemites are. 

Edited November 19, 2023 by Communion

[Cain]

What a fun fascist idea 

[PoisonPill]

3 hours ago, LookinAssHittas said:

There is no way this can be legal? 
 

I really don’t know what to say at this point. It’s quite insane how Israel has the Western world stuck in a trance. It genuinely feels like Israel and the West are partaking in a puppet show, and the Israelis are the puppet masters. Death to all of them.

Wow.

[Aethereal]

It's a stupid law anyway, migrants will just lie and pretend to be pro-Israel even if they are not, unless they try to search you deeply.

 

[Aethereal]

52 minutes ago, Communion said:

The irony being that the only members to push Holocaust denialism on ATRL are various right-wing European members from places like Poland who used to post that Muslim migration is destroying Europe. Odd how some users think checking the facts of people's post histories is somehow bad. How many users who cheered on drowning migrants in the ocean and supporting modern-day neo-nazi parties now want to lecture everyone else on antisemitism? 

 

Let's have the mods re-enable the search function on Classic ATRL and really get to discussing who the Holocaust deniers and antisemites are. 

I've been lurking Classic ATRL since 2014 and never seen anyone cheering on migrants drowning. There were some members who used to n word and other language towards black people as a form of "drag" and some Trump supporters who did oppose migration but not to that extent you claim.

 

There was one holocaust denying white supremacist but only one as far I know. His name was Pagan Poetry. 

[SignificantOther]

Thank God for the first amendment. 

[Pikachoo]

good. Israel has the right to exist despite how much pro palestinian supporters keep screaming about the destruction of Israel

[Pikachoo]

6 hours ago, LookinAssHittas said:

There is no way this can be legal? 
 

I really don’t know what to say at this point. It’s quite insane how Israel has the Western world stuck in a trance. It genuinely feels like Israel and the West are partaking in a puppet show, and the Israelis are the puppet masters. Death to all of them.

what a disgusting post. calling for the death of all Israelis. and people actually liking this post? I hope you get banned you evil person

[wastedpotential]

3 hours ago, Aristotle said:

It's a stupid law anyway, migrants will just lie and pretend to be pro-Israel even if they are not, unless they try to search you deeply.

 

I think the point is to filter out the ones that hold their beliefs so strongly that they couldn't bring themselves lie. Surely the author of this bill and its supporters know that the vast majority of people who get to that point in the citizenship process will be willing to hide any true beliefs for the sake of getting through it - and those that won't are the people being kept at bay. It's the same principle behind the Danish handshake citizenship law, since there are some members of conservative sects of Islam that refuse to shake women's hands, and the Danish government wants a way to block them from getting citizenship without having to spell it out overtly in the law, where it may face significant legal challenges.