Feanor Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Taylor Swift. Smash album, smash hits, smash tour, smash movie, resurgence of entire musical catalog, massive critical acclaim, cultural ubiquity, global admiration… While impressive nevertheless, there are quite a few examples of artists who've reached massive peaks with their debut and/or 2nd albums. But what Taylor is doing, reaching a new high in literally every possible metric after 15 years of massive and consistent success already, is very rare and I dare say even unprecedented. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicandSoul Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) Sales/numbers don’t equal impact. taylor may have sold. (Relatively easier given we are in streaming) But where is she please?? No one cares for her. Britney for both and its not even a debate! Edited November 13, 2023 by MusicandSoul 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzmyth Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Rihanna 2007-2017. From those 3... Britney 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lille Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Taylor, it's undeniable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEEKND Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Taylor is number one without a doubt entire top 10 on the hot 100 is extremely impressive no one has ever done that the tour , her sales , her streaming stats nsync bsb and Adele were bigger than Britney and Gaga during their peaks no one is bigger than Taylor in 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 42 minutes ago, MusicandSoul said: Sales/numbers don’t equal impact. taylor may have sold. (Relatively easier given we are in streaming) But where is she please?? No one cares for her. Britney for both and its not even a debate! You must not have done very well in school, huh 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildHeart Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, MusicandSoul said: But where is she please?? No one cares for her. She is currently on the biggest tour of all time. Some artists were struggling to sell arenas few years after their peak so people care more than enough about her i fear. Edited November 13, 2023 by Artistofthedecade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry Bubble Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Most impressive: Taylor, it is really impossible to be this dominant in today's music industry. Biggest pop culture moment: Britney Spears by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needs Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 I think Gaga or Britney had a bigger pop culture moment because monoculture was still a thing back then. The death of monoculture seems to make Taylor's peak less pronounced. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iyanla, Fix Me Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Most impressive: Taylor Most iconic/impressive: Gaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Having experienced all three I'd describe them as this: Taylor's massive success in the US and Anglosphere is bigger than both Gaga and Britney commercially. However, outside of Anglosphere she's not as massive as Gaga and Britney were during their peaks. So in the US it's Taylor for commercial success and Britney for cultural peak. In non-English speaking countries it's Britney and Gaga tied for commercial success (Britney having the album sales and Gaga the single sales) while pop-culturally it's probably Britney though Gaga is above Taylor here as well. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 It’s very clearly Taylor for both. Not ATRL saying sales don’t equal impact or that large numbers don’t equal people caring about you. Yes, people actually purchasing your work doesn’t mean much. Poor Taylor, she’s on the biggest (sold out!) tour in history with thousands of people camping outside stadiums to listen and hopefully catch a glimpse of her, if only people cared about her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenger Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 This question again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyduck Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) Taylor has the biggest peak in terms of stats. Undeniably so. Britney felt the biggest culturally IMO. She was like a complete reset of the ideal of young woman that the American entertainment industry exported globally. An actual cultural revolution. She basically single-handedly radically redefined young women's sexuality in the media and public consciousness. Almost all of female pop music since is indebted to her in this regard, from Christina to Katy to Miley. She opened up middle class sensibilities in a way that hadn't been done since Madonna. That five second shot of her at the start of the BOMT video in the schoolgirl with her midriff was a before/after moment in modern social history. Edited November 14, 2023 by Psyduck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Having experienced all three I'd describe them as this: Taylor's massive success in the US and Anglosphere is bigger than both Gaga and Britney commercially. However, outside of Anglosphere she's not as massive as Gaga and Britney were during their peaks. So in the US it's Taylor for commercial success and Britney for cultural peak. In non-English speaking countries it's Britney and Gaga tied for commercial success (Britney having the album sales and Gaga the single sales) while pop-culturally it's probably Britney though Gaga is above Taylor here as well. Taylor didn't need to wait for 22/23 to outpeak Britney and Gaga in the anglosphere, it happened already in 2014/2015 and arguably 2009. Taylor current global domination is much bigger than Britney and Gaga given that noone is challenging her while the others had competition and artists bigger than them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrieLz Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Impressive peak: Taylor, this is her 2nd peak career after 1989 era! Biggest Pop Culture: Britney! BOMT is everything for Pop moment back then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, TrieLz said: Impressive peak: Taylor, this is her 2nd peak career after 1989 era! 3rd* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueTimberwolf Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Taylor's problem is that she has a LOT of fans, but they encompass a very narrow demographic. Her box office demos tell the tale. I could walk up to anyone on the street and sing Just Dance or Opps! and they would know the song. Of Taylor's recent #1s they would only know Cruel Summer, and maybe Anti-Hero. It's a lot of consumption from a narrow fanbase in a time where it's easier to dominate thanks to streaming. She's dominating the top ten, but the Hot 100 points have never been lower and the rules have changed. All of her peers are out of game as well. It's easier to dominate when your real competition are selling make up and hosting American Idol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said: Taylor's problem is that she has a LOT of fans, but they encompass a very narrow demographic. Her box office demos tell the tale. I could walk up to anyone on the street and sing Just Dance or Opps! and they would know the song. Of Taylor's recent #1s they would only know Cruel Summer, and maybe Anti-Hero. It's a lot of consumption from a narrow fanbase in a time where it's easier to dominate thanks to streaming. She's dominating the top ten, but the Hot 100 points have never been lower and the rules have changed. All of her peers are out of game as well. It's easier to dominate when your real competition are selling make up and hosting American Idol. What do you think the box office demo of a Britney Spears concert film would be (aside from the fact it would gross 10 times less) People know Taylor albums much more than either Gaga or Britney and her biggest hits are also widely known. Her demographics is definitely not more narrow, in fact she is the only one with cross generational appeal among them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Boy Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 5 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Having experienced all three I'd describe them as this: Taylor's massive success in the US and Anglosphere is bigger than both Gaga and Britney commercially. However, outside of Anglosphere she's not as massive as Gaga and Britney were during their peaks. So in the US it's Taylor for commercial success and Britney for cultural peak. In non-English speaking countries it's Britney and Gaga tied for commercial success (Britney having the album sales and Gaga the single sales) while pop-culturally it's probably Britney though Gaga is above Taylor here as well. 1 hour ago, Axelios said: Taylor didn't need to wait for 22/23 to outpeak Britney and Gaga in the anglosphere, it happened already in 2014/2015 and arguably 2009. Taylor current global domination is much bigger than Britney and Gaga given that noone is challenging her while the others had competition and artists bigger than them. Taylor swift was never bigger than Gaga outside the US during their peaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Mystic Boy said: Taylor swift was never bigger than Gaga outside the US during their peaks Was Gaga having the best selling tour of all time and selling as much global units during her peak? Edited November 14, 2023 by Axelios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Boy Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Axelios said: Was Gaga having the best selling tour of all time and selling as much global units during her peak? We're speaking about era stats here and no Taylor Swift album during her peak outsold or had a bigger impact than TF/M outside the US, the numbers are there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Mystic Boy said: We're speaking about era stats here and no Taylor Swift album during her peak outsold or had a bigger impact than TF/M outside the US, the numbers are there No we're talking about commercial peaks in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Love when a certain fanbase has to breakdown things by Anglosphere and **** as if that's not part of the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicandSoul Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 On 11/13/2023 at 8:30 PM, Raspberries said: You must not have done very well in school, huh Not very well in the delusional school of atrl, no hun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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