poll Bigger: Gaga ‘08-‘11, Britney ‘98-‘01, or Taylor ‘20-‘23?

[Feanor]

Taylor Swift.

Smash album, smash hits, smash tour, smash movie, resurgence of entire musical catalog, massive critical acclaim, cultural ubiquity, global admiration… 

 

While impressive nevertheless, there are quite a few examples of artists who've reached massive peaks with their debut and/or 2nd albums. But what Taylor is doing, reaching a new high in literally every possible metric after 15 years of massive and consistent success already, is very rare and I dare say even unprecedented.

[MusicandSoul]

Sales/numbers don’t equal impact. 
 

taylor may have sold. (Relatively easier given we are in streaming)

But where is she please?? No one cares for her. 

 

Britney for both and its not even a debate!

Edited November 13, 2023 by MusicandSoul

[zzmyth]

Rihanna 2007-2017.

 

From those 3...

 

Britney

[Lille]

Taylor, it's undeniable.

[WEEKND]

Taylor is number one without a doubt

 

entire top 10 on the hot 100 is extremely impressive

 

no one has ever done that 

 

the tour , her sales , her streaming stats 

 

nsync bsb and Adele were bigger than Britney and Gaga during their peaks 

 

no one is bigger than Taylor in 2023 

[Raspberries]

42 minutes ago, MusicandSoul said:

Sales/numbers don’t equal impact. 
 

taylor may have sold. (Relatively easier given we are in streaming)

But where is she please?? No one cares for her. 

 

Britney for both and its not even a debate!

You must not have done very well in school, huh  

[WildHeart]

46 minutes ago, MusicandSoul said:

But where is she please?? No one cares for her. 

She is currently on the biggest tour of all time. Some artists were struggling to sell arenas few years after their peak so people care more than enough about her i fear.

Edited November 13, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[Strawberry Bubble]

Most impressive: Taylor, it is really impossible to be this dominant in today's music industry.

 

 

Biggest pop culture moment: Britney Spears by far. 

[needs]

I think Gaga or Britney had a bigger pop culture moment because monoculture was still a thing back then. The death of monoculture seems to make Taylor's peak less pronounced.

[Iyanla, Fix Me]

Most impressive: Taylor

 

Most iconic/impressive: Gaga 

[BrandNewBrandon]

Having experienced all three I'd describe them as this:

 

Taylor's massive success in the US and Anglosphere is bigger than both Gaga and Britney commercially. However, outside of Anglosphere she's not as massive as Gaga and Britney were during their peaks. 

 

So in the US it's Taylor for commercial success and Britney for cultural peak. In non-English speaking countries it's Britney and Gaga tied for commercial success (Britney having the album sales and Gaga the single sales) while pop-culturally it's probably Britney though Gaga is above Taylor here as well. 

[1989]

It’s very clearly Taylor for both. 
 

Not ATRL saying sales don’t equal impact or that large numbers don’t equal people caring about you. Yes, people actually purchasing your work doesn’t mean much. 
 

Poor Taylor, she’s on the biggest (sold out!) tour in history with thousands of people camping outside stadiums to listen and hopefully catch a glimpse of her, if only people cared about her. 

[Avenger]

This question again 

[Psyduck]

Taylor has the biggest peak in terms of stats. Undeniably so.

 

Britney felt the biggest culturally IMO. She was like a complete reset of the ideal of young woman that the American entertainment industry exported globally. An actual cultural revolution. She basically single-handedly radically redefined young women's sexuality in the media and public consciousness. Almost all of female pop music since is indebted to her in this regard, from Christina to Katy to Miley. She opened up middle class sensibilities in a way that hadn't been done since Madonna.

 

That five second shot of her at the start of the BOMT video in the schoolgirl with her midriff was a before/after moment in modern social history.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Psyduck

[Axelios]

3 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Having experienced all three I'd describe them as this:

 

Taylor's massive success in the US and Anglosphere is bigger than both Gaga and Britney commercially. However, outside of Anglosphere she's not as massive as Gaga and Britney were during their peaks. 

 

So in the US it's Taylor for commercial success and Britney for cultural peak. In non-English speaking countries it's Britney and Gaga tied for commercial success (Britney having the album sales and Gaga the single sales) while pop-culturally it's probably Britney though Gaga is above Taylor here as well. 

Taylor didn't need to wait for 22/23 to outpeak Britney and Gaga in the anglosphere, it happened already in 2014/2015 and arguably 2009.

Taylor current global domination is much bigger than Britney and Gaga given that noone is challenging her while the others had competition and artists bigger than them.

[TrieLz]

Impressive peak: Taylor, this is her 2nd peak career after 1989 era!

 

Biggest Pop Culture: Britney! BOMT is everything for Pop moment back then

[Axelios]

10 minutes ago, TrieLz said:

Impressive peak: Taylor, this is her 2nd peak career after 1989 era!

3rd*

[BlueTimberwolf]

Taylor's problem is that she has a LOT of fans, but they encompass a very narrow demographic.  Her box office demos tell the tale. I could walk up to anyone on the street and sing Just Dance or Opps! and they would know the song. Of Taylor's recent #1s they would only know Cruel Summer, and maybe Anti-Hero.  It's a lot of consumption from a narrow fanbase in a time where it's easier to dominate thanks to streaming.  She's dominating the top ten, but the Hot 100 points have never been lower and the rules have changed.  All of her peers are out of game as well. It's easier to dominate when your real competition are selling make up and hosting American Idol.  

[Axelios]

4 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said:

Taylor's problem is that she has a LOT of fans, but they encompass a very narrow demographic.  Her box office demos tell the tale. I could walk up to anyone on the street and sing Just Dance or Opps! and they would know the song. Of Taylor's recent #1s they would only know Cruel Summer, and maybe Anti-Hero.  It's a lot of consumption from a narrow fanbase in a time where it's easier to dominate thanks to streaming.  She's dominating the top ten, but the Hot 100 points have never been lower and the rules have changed.  All of her peers are out of game as well. It's easier to dominate when your real competition are selling make up and hosting American Idol.  

What do you think the box office demo of a Britney Spears concert film would be (aside from the fact it would gross 10 times less) 

People know Taylor albums much more than either Gaga or Britney and her biggest hits are also widely known. Her demographics is definitely not more narrow, in fact she is the only one with cross generational appeal among them

[Mystic Boy]

5 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Having experienced all three I'd describe them as this:

 

Taylor's massive success in the US and Anglosphere is bigger than both Gaga and Britney commercially. However, outside of Anglosphere she's not as massive as Gaga and Britney were during their peaks. 

 

So in the US it's Taylor for commercial success and Britney for cultural peak. In non-English speaking countries it's Britney and Gaga tied for commercial success (Britney having the album sales and Gaga the single sales) while pop-culturally it's probably Britney though Gaga is above Taylor here as well. 

 

1 hour ago, Axelios said:

Taylor didn't need to wait for 22/23 to outpeak Britney and Gaga in the anglosphere, it happened already in 2014/2015 and arguably 2009.

Taylor current global domination is much bigger than Britney and Gaga given that noone is challenging her while the others had competition and artists bigger than them.

Taylor swift was never bigger than Gaga outside the US during their peaks  

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, Mystic Boy said:

 

Taylor swift was never bigger than Gaga outside the US during their peaks  

Was Gaga having the best selling tour of all time and selling as much global units during her peak?

Edited November 14, 2023 by Axelios

[Mystic Boy]

1 minute ago, Axelios said:

Was Gaga having the best selling tour of all time and selling as much global units during her peak?

We're speaking about era stats here and no Taylor Swift album during her peak outsold or had a bigger impact than TF/M outside the US, the numbers are there

[Axelios]

1 hour ago, Mystic Boy said:

We're speaking about era stats here and no Taylor Swift album during her peak outsold or had a bigger impact than TF/M outside the US, the numbers are there

No we're talking about commercial peaks in general

[Raspberries]

Love when a certain fanbase has to breakdown things by Anglosphere and **** as if that's not part of the world  

[MusicandSoul]

On 11/13/2023 at 8:30 PM, Raspberries said:

You must not have done very well in school, huh  

Not very well in the delusional school of atrl, no hun