charts discussion Hot 100 Predictions 11/18/2023: Can Jung Kook challenge PTTR, CS for #1?

[Green]

At least Cruel Summer is a real hit unlike that Jung Kook song that no one knows

[Hot Volcano]

14 minutes ago, Green said:

At least Cruel Summer is a real hit unlike that Jung Kook song that no one knows

Nobody knew willow, cardigan or all too well when they hit #1, so what is the difference here? Taylor being a white female gays care about?

[KOMH]

@Billboard Filter them all and send his fans into a spiral

Edited November 9, 2023 by KOMH

[Peak Now]

1 hour ago, Hot Volcano said:

Nobody knew willow, cardigan or all too well when they hit #1, so what is the difference here? Taylor being a white female gays care about?

We all know that's a lie so let's not

[WildHeart]

1 hour ago, Hot Volcano said:

Nobody knew willow, cardigan or all too well when they hit #1, so what is the difference here? Taylor being a white female gays care about?

Streaming songs 

Cardigan - #1

ATW - #1

Willow - #4 (because of Christmas songs) 

 

That’s the difference 

[Hot Volcano]

3 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Streaming songs 

Cardigan - #1

ATW - #1

Willow - #4 (because of Christmas songs) 

 

That’s the difference 

Only because of her massive fanbase. And these songs wouldn't have hit #1 without her cheap sales and remixes tatics, same as BTS. 

[dussymob]

1 minute ago, Hot Volcano said:

Only because of her massive fanbase. And these songs wouldn't have hit #1 without her cheap sales and remixes tatics, same as BTS. 

Cardigan is like bear billion streams if I’m not mistaken. 

[WildHeart]

2 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

Only because of her massive fanbase. And these songs wouldn't have hit #1 without her cheap sales and remixes tatics, same as BTS. 

So lots of people were streaming those songs while all BTS songs have is 10k people buying the same song over and over again, got it

[Mr. Duff]

32 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

So lots of people were streaming those songs while all BTS songs have is 10k people buying the same song over and over again, got it

the clock nnn  

[Hot Volcano]

2 hours ago, dussymob said:

Cardigan is like bear billion streams if I’m not mistaken. 

I'm talking about the first week. Cardigan went viral a couple of times on TikTok

 

2 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said:

So lots of people were streaming those songs while all BTS songs have is 10k people buying the same song over and over again, got it

Swifties are doing the same and Taylor is enabaling them by releasing gazillion versions

[pride4jc1222]

13 hours ago, PurrKaty said:

 

Meanwhile Jung Kook has the below currently discounted to $0.69

 

#1 Standing Next To You (album version)

#2 Standing Next To You (future funk remix)

#3 Standing Next To You (band version)

#4 Standing Next To You (holiday remix)

#5 Standing Next To You (slow jam remix)

#6 Standing Next To You (PBR&B remix)

#7 Standing Next To You (latin trap remix)

#9 Standing Next To You (instrumental)

 

What a joke  

I think it's pretty messed up how this is allowed to count towards the Hot 100, but not UGC streams/TikTok, these last 4 years.

[brianc33710]

On 11/7/2023 at 8:52 PM, pride4jc1222 said:

I’m pretty sure if Billboard saw how the last 4 years played out (with the emergence of TikTok, and BTS stans buying 8000 copies of Butter), and had to do it all over again, I’m pretty sure they would have kept UGC streams and removed sales from the Hot 100 instead.

 

UGC streams never created a chart inaccuracy. Mass buying, on the other hand, has created many ‘fake’ #1’s since 2020.

No UPCs created their own issues over the years. Many-most of the UPCs for Wrecking Ball were mocking Miley Cyrus, her video & her song; NOT showing appreciation. Those UPCs shouldn't count toward keeping a song #1. Harlem Shake was 30 sec long and & the UPCs were 30 sec long. Those 1000s of very brief UPCs shouldn't keep a song #1 either. 

[Maroonx]

LOL I am already used to the 20 versions BoTS and Junk Kock release with each single... nothing new there

 

Their singles run are usually: 1 - 30 - 75 - 99 - OFF 

[Klein]

I hope Cruel Summer pulls through. Taylor replacing herself at #1 again would be amazing. 

 

Then when IION has caught up on radio, it can re-replace Cruel Summer again. Well, after the holiday season that is. 

[dussymob]

7 hours ago, Hot Volcano said:

I'm talking about the first week. Cardigan went viral a couple of times on TikTok

 

Swifties are doing the same and Taylor is enabaling them by releasing gazillion versions

This makes no sense. The song has shown to have lasting power but you originally said it wasn’t a hit but now it went viral a few times which proves it’s a hit outside of the fan base. Just shut up. I’m not even a Taylor stan but you sound like a hater. 

[TrieLz]

10 hours ago, Maroonx said:

LOL I am already used to the 20 versions BoTS and Junk Kock release with each single... nothing new there

 

Their singles run are usually: 1 - 30 - 75 - 99 - OFF 

Seven is about to re-enter BBH100 and charting for 14 weeks. Equals to smash hit Cardigan 

[woohoo]

14 hours ago, Mr. Duff said:

the clock nnn  

I honestly wouldn’t mind K-POP Stans but the absolute delusion is astounding. Putting them on the same level as Taylor or Beyoncé when they’re barely touching Jessica Simpson (no shade I love Jessica). If it wasn’t for this forum I wouldn’t have the first clue who they are. 

[♥jONE731♥]

Nope tay will sit at the throne with CS 

[Hot Volcano]

5 hours ago, dussymob said:

This makes no sense. The song has shown to have lasting power but you originally said it wasn’t a hit but now it went viral a few times which proves it’s a hit outside of the fan base. Just shut up. I’m not even a Taylor stan but you sound like a hater. 

Again, I was talking about debut weeks, the entire ATRL was talking **** bout Taylor when she pulled those cheap tactics, so you shut the **** up!

 

Any song can go viral at any given moment, cardigan can be considered a hit NOW, but not in those first few weeks

[Klein]

48 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

Again, I was talking about debut weeks, the entire ATRL was talking **** bout Taylor when she pulled those cheap tactics, so you shut the **** up!

 

Any song can go viral at any given moment, cardigan can be considered a hit NOW, but not in those first few weeks

Which just show how inconsequential these tactics are in the end. 

 

Also, it's not like any song can be considered a hit in the first few weeks. Longevity is key. 

Edited November 10, 2023 by Klein

[Prismee]

48 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

Again, I was talking about debut weeks, the entire ATRL was talking **** bout Taylor when she pulled those cheap tactics, so you shut the **** up!

 

Any song can go viral at any given moment, cardigan can be considered a hit NOW, but not in those first few weeks

cardigan was literally #1 on streaming in its debut week, something none of the BTS/Jimin/Jungkook songs can say. That’s the huge difference.

[littlebodybigheart]

2 hours ago, Hot Volcano said:

Again, I was talking about debut weeks, the entire ATRL was talking **** bout Taylor when she pulled those cheap tactics, so you shut the **** up!

 

Any song can go viral at any given moment, cardigan can be considered a hit NOW, but not in those first few weeks

well it was a #1 debut. no #1 debut is going to be known by a lot of people after a week of being out obviously  like what song is a smash hit a week into its release…?

[hungrymuffin]

the gaga stan has been seething since the release of midnights her faves couldnt even hit #1 if they tried the cheap tactics

always so perched in taylor threads

 

OT: CS please pull through

[Hot Volcano]

2 hours ago, Prismee said:

cardigan was literally #1 on streaming in its debut week, something none of the BTS/Jimin/Jungkook songs can say. That’s the huge difference.

 

Incorrect, for example Dynamite 

 

Quote

The song sold 300,000 units in its first week, including downloads and physical—vinyl and cassette—versions. It earned 33.9 million total US on-demand streams and 11.6 million radio impressions.

 

35 minutes ago, littlebodybigheart said:

well it was a #1 debut. no #1 debut is going to be known by a lot of people after a week of being out obviously  like what song is a smash hit a week into its release…?

Gurl please, the song was considered a flop for the entire FIRST year after release   Later it was revived on TikTok.

[Kill Me]

1 hour ago, Hot Volcano said:

 

Incorrect, for example Dynamite 

 

 

WRONG.

Let's try again shall we?

 

Streaming Songs Chart:

Cardigan - #1

ATW - #1

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Gaga doesn't have a #1 on the streaming songs chart not even that fluke fad "hit" Ariana gifted her.

BTS doesn't have a #1 on the streaming songs chart. Dynamite peaked at #3.