official chart H100: Is It Over Now #1 | 7 tracks from 1989 (TV) debut in the top 10

[Funnyfatty]

Being able to sell vinyls is literally the proudest thing she has. She sells cds, vinyls, streams digitals etc. Does she sell casettes too? 

[Badgalbriel]

3 minutes ago, Funnyfatty said:

Being able to sell vinyls is literally the proudest thing she has. She sells cds, vinyls, streams digitals etc. Does she sell casettes too? 

She definitely should! 

[Funnyfatty]

16 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

She definitely should! 

So she doesn’t? I believe she could add 250k casettes or something and they would sell. I would definitely buy my faves casettes lol

[Anti-Hero]

4 hours ago, Rv1709 said:

Some of these no 1s she has will not be actual hits like ATW10, Cardigan, Willow and IS it over now 

Cardigan has 1B streams, how is not a hit?

[tost1]

Out of the Woods was done dirty

[Sweetestsecret]

8 minutes ago, tost1 said:

Out of the Woods was done dirty

Still better peak than the original 

[KOMH]

She's unstoppable your honour

[pride4jc1222]

1 hour ago, tost1 said:

Out of the Woods was done dirty

Blank Space (TV) and Shake It Off (TV) were also done dirty. I'm a non-Swiftie, and I can appreciate how iconic these songs are. I don't understand why some Swifties constantly feel the need to crap on those songs.

Edited November 7, 2023 by pride4jc1222

[Extremely Stable]

8 hours ago, Rv1709 said:

Some of these no 1s she has will not be actual hits like ATW10, Cardigan, Willow and IS it over now 

Streams on Sunday:

 

Cardigan: 1.4M

ATW10: 900K

Willow: 751K

IION: 4.2M

 

#1 song yall consider hits:

 

Rain On Me: 219K

 

 

 

[Superbitch]

 

 

[pride4jc1222]

In my opinion, the charts lost their meaning at the start of the 2020s, when Billboard removed UGC from the Hot 100, and allowed mass bought songs to infiltrate the charts, and create inaccuracies. From about 1999-2019 (with the obvious exception of late 2012, when One More Night was #1 instead of Gangnam Style because Billboard was late in incorporating streaming to the Hot 100), the #1 song on the Hot 100 actually reflected what was the most popular song in the country, even if you didn't like the song.

 

The charts from 2020 onward, I take with a grain of salt, kind of like the ones from 1995-1998 (when Billboard held off adding airplay only songs for the longest time). The only way the charts will ever be accurate again is when Billboard rips off the band-aid and removes sales from the Hot 100 altogether. Hopefully, that will be in January.

Edited November 7, 2023 by pride4jc1222

[dman4life]

Taylor is truly at the top of her game I love this for her! 

 

S/n I may have to stay away from this site when she inevitably passes Rihanna up in #1s. It's gonna be VERY ugly on here 

[Maroonx]

Glad OOTW outpeaked the OG. I wish IKP charted higher x

[Maroonx]

26 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said:

In my opinion, the charts lost their meaning at the start of the 2020s, when Billboard removed UGC from the Hot 100, and allowed mass bought songs to infiltrate the charts, and create inaccuracies. From about 1999-2019 (with the obvious exception of late 2012, when One More Night was #1 instead of Gangnam Style because Billboard was late in incorporating streaming to the Hot 100), the #1 song on the Hot 100 actually reflected what was the most popular song in the country, even if you didn't like the song.

 

The charts from 2020 onward, I take with a grain of salt, kind of like the ones from 1995-1998 (when Billboard held off adding airplay only songs for the longest time). The only way the charts will ever be accurate again is when Billboard rips off the band-aid and removes sales from the Hot 100 altogether. Hopefully, that will be in January.

I fell like the charts today represent what people want, in contrast to charts in the 90s/00s where radio was the reason some songs were #1.

For me, the most accurate charts are the charts which combine Sales/Streams and disregard radio, because that's what people are consuming.

 

[Arrows]

1 hour ago, pride4jc1222 said:

In my opinion, the charts lost their meaning at the start of the 2020s, when Billboard removed UGC from the Hot 100, and allowed mass bought songs to infiltrate the charts, and create inaccuracies. From about 1999-2019 (with the obvious exception of late 2012, when One More Night was #1 instead of Gangnam Style because Billboard was late in incorporating streaming to the Hot 100), the #1 song on the Hot 100 actually reflected what was the most popular song in the country, even if you didn't like the song.

 

The charts from 2020 onward, I take with a grain of salt, kind of like the ones from 1995-1998 (when Billboard held off adding airplay only songs for the longest time). The only way the charts will ever be accurate again is when Billboard rips off the band-aid and removes sales from the Hot 100 altogether. Hopefully, that will be in January.

The charts wouldn’t look much different without sales this week. Streaming made those songs debut in the top 10.

[Kyle-x]

7 hours ago, Funnyfatty said:

So she doesn’t? I believe she could add 250k casettes or something and they would sell. I would definitely buy my faves casettes lol

Most albums dropping on major labels with physical rollouts usually have a cassette but they're pretty negligible in contributing sales. Midnights was the 2nd best selling album on cassette in 2022 with 14,000 copies. The #1 seller was Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 which had 17,000. Only 4 albums sold over 10,000 copies on cassette and the #10 best selling one of the year only moved 5,000. Cassette sales are growing, despite only amounting to 440,000 for the entirety of 2022 in the US tho.

 

Cassettes are a bit of a bigger deal in the UK. They shifted 195,000 units in the UK last year despite it being a much smaller market than the US. Especially when you consider vinyl sold around ~5.5 million units there in 2022 versus 43.46 million in the US. Artists have been putting out wayyyy more cassette variants for the UK market than they do for the US. Taylor typically only has 1 cassette version, although I think 1989 TV may have had a second one for like Wal-Mart or something.

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Kyle-x

[Virtual_Insanity]

14 hours ago, pavi said:

Bit late of a reaction, but this reasoning just isn't right. Yeah, vinyl sales has gone up since 1989 OG, but cd sales have dropped even more than vinyl sales has gone up. Overall, 1989TV came out in a time with less physical sales.

 

CD sales in the US in 2014: 142.8 million

Vinyl sales in the US in 2014: 9.2 million

Total: 152 million

 

CD sales in the US in 2022: 33.4 million

Vinyl sales in the US in 2022: 43.4 million

Total: 76.8 million

 

It's even more impressive when you realize there were like over 100 million digital album sales yearly back in 2014, which has dropped to about 20 million last year. It's hard to compensate that with streaming. The numbers don't lie 

None of that has any relevance to what I said though. 

[Wolf Alice]

3 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

None of that has any relevance to what I said though. 

It absolutely does? You make it seem like vinyl exploding in popularity in isolation alone is responsible for her big numbers. You can't conveniently ignore the fact that vinyl only makes up a part of the lost digital and CD sales and it's actually still much harder to hit those kinds of numbers in the existing market dynamics. If everything stayed the same and vinyl as a format was the reason to get the edge, then yes but that's absolutely not the case. 

[Virtual_Insanity]

Just now, Wolf Alice said:

It absolutely does? You make it seem like vinyl exploding in popularity in isolation alone is responsible for her big numbers. You can't conveniently ignore the fact that vinyl only makes up a part of the lost digital and CD sales and it's actually still much harder to hit those kinds of numbers in the existing market dynamics. If everything stayed the same and vinyl as a format was the reason to get the edge, then yes but that's absolutely not the case. 

Not really. If vinyl hadn't exploded she would be down 600k in sales. It is of no relevance to my specific point how other formats are currently doing. 

[Redstreak]

1 minute ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

Not really. If vinyl hadn't exploded she would be down 600k in sales. It is of no relevance to my specific point how other formats are currently doing. 

And if CD sales hadn’t cratered then?

[Virtual_Insanity]

4 hours ago, pride4jc1222 said:

In my opinion, the charts lost their meaning at the start of the 2020s, when Billboard removed UGC from the Hot 100, and allowed mass bought songs to infiltrate the charts, and create inaccuracies. From about 1999-2019 (with the obvious exception of late 2012, when One More Night was #1 instead of Gangnam Style because Billboard was late in incorporating streaming to the Hot 100), the #1 song on the Hot 100 actually reflected what was the most popular song in the country, even if you didn't like the song.

 

The charts from 2020 onward, I take with a grain of salt, kind of like the ones from 1995-1998 (when Billboard held off adding airplay only songs for the longest time). The only way the charts will ever be accurate again is when Billboard rips off the band-aid and removes sales from the Hot 100 altogether. Hopefully, that will be in January.

Why would you want a chart to remove sales ? That makes literally no sense what so ever. 

 

What is the difference between mass bought songs and mass bought albums ? 

[Wolf Alice]

Just now, Virtual_Insanity said:

Not really. If vinyl hadn't exploded she would be down 600k in sales. It is of no relevance to my specific point how other formats are currently doing. 

And if CDs and digital sales hadn't disappeared, she would've done over 3m 

[Virtual_Insanity]

Just now, Wolf Alice said:

And if CDs and digital sales hadn't disappeared, she would've done over 3m 

Highly unlikely. 

[Wolf Alice]

Just now, Virtual_Insanity said:

Highly unlikely. 

Not really. She did 1.3m pure in a market that's less than half the size now in pure compared to the first time around. If she could get 600k out of a resurging vinyl market, no reason to not think she'd have done the same with CDs and digital. Very very likely I fear.

[Virtual_Insanity]

2 minutes ago, Wolf Alice said:

Not really. She did 1.3m pure in a market that's less than half the size now in pure compared to the first time around. If she could get 600k out of a resurging vinyl market, no reason to not think she'd have done the same with CDs and digital. Very very likely I fear.

I guess we will never know.