Bears01 Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said: Imagine if we had an appealing presidential candidate, Dems would be wiping the floor next year 1000%. Whitmer would destroy trump in unprecedented levels
Sannie Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 Just now, Bears01 said: 1000%. Whitmer would destroy trump in unprecedented levels omg. Whitmer would be so good. Rust Belt guaranteed. When Biden announces in January he will not be running for re-election for the "betterment of the country"
Sannie Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 WAIT, OMG. I DID NOT KNOW THIS. TRANSPHOBES SHAKING. 7
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 8, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted November 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tusk said: The constant doom and gloom. It's not unwarranted.
Beyonnaise Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tusk said: The constant doom and gloom. How is what I said doomerish nn. Biden still might win but if there was someone who could actually inspire hard-to-turn-out voters Republicans would be cooked in all three branches with the way post-Roe trends are going.
If U Seek Amy Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 I mean maybe Biden will do much worse. But based on tn Dems are doing amazing
SignificantOther Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 I think polls overestimate Trump a lot. He's not doing over 20% with black voters, over 40% with hispanic voters and over 45% with young voters. 1
If U Seek Amy Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 Just now, SignificantOther said: I think polls overestimate Trump a lot. He's not doing over 20% with black voters, over 40% with hispanic voters and over 45% with young voters. Absolutely. After they undid republicans in 2016 they have since but doing them a lot more
If U Seek Amy Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Raspberries said: Ohio wins tonight. I am so happy
Sannie Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 Just now, SignificantOther said: I think polls overestimate Trump a lot. He's not doing over 20% with black voters, over 40% with hispanic voters and over 45% with young voters. Every election since 2020 has shown these pollsters are still struggling on how to actually poll young people. Young people do not answer polls and then go out and vote anyways. And honestly, how can you even poll that correctly?
SignificantOther Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, If U Seek Amy said: Absolutely. After they undid republicans in 2016 they have since but doing them a lot more CNN's poll which has Trump leading Biden 49 to 45 actually has him winning black men. That's so absurd. 1
Sannie Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said: Ohio wins tonight. I am so happy Both issues getting over 1,000,000 YES votes. 2
Distantconstellation Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said: How is what I said doomerish nn. Biden still might win but if there was someone who could actually inspire hard-to-turn-out voters Republicans would be cooked in all three branches with the way post-Roe trends are going. If trump goes to jail then Biden wins because from the polls I’ve seen that’s a dealbreaker for independents, that’s the wildcard. We are still a year away a lot can change and happen. One thing is for sure, abortion is a winning issue for dems Edited November 8, 2023 by Distantconstellation
Tusk Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, Bloo said: It's not unwarranted. Sad to live that way tbh.
Sannie Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 VA House going back and forth between D wins and R wins. 1
Sannie Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 Beshear having a 5-point lead with a 60k difference is INSANE. 2
Distantconstellation Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, Sannie said: And now, NYT is saying both issues will pass in OH. The Dem party is a mess nationally, for sure, but the American people still think they're less bad than Republicans. I fully believe 2028 will be the first time young people will be powerful enough to enact a seismic shift in national politics. That’s czenk uygur (sp?) dude from the young Turks predictions . 2028 is the year progressives take over and republicans can’t win from there on out because of young people.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 8, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted November 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tusk said: Sad to live that way tbh. Unless you work in politics, it shouldn’t occupy all of your life. Politics, inherently, is sad as hell because there are problems everywhere. Being too self-congratulatory doesn’t inspire progress. There’s always room to criticize and improve. The point that Biden is flailing in the polls and if we had a more popular candidate in his place, the Dems likely would stomp next year is a pretty grounded assessment based on the data we have right now. It’s not even that negative. 3
SignificantOther Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Distantconstellation said: That’s czenk uygur (sp?) dude from the young Turks predictions . 2028 is the year progressives take over and republicans can’t win from there on out because of young people. I wouldn't be so optimistic. Young people age and tend to get more conservative, and the country is actually getting older.
woohoo Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 26 minutes ago, Bears01 said: 1000%. Whitmer would destroy trump in unprecedented levels I’m so jealous of Michigan. God if she runs In 2028 I’ll be the first person at my polling place to vote. 3
Sannie Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, Distantconstellation said: That’s czenk uygur (sp?) dude from the young Turks predictions . 2028 is the year progressives take over and republicans can’t win from there on out because of young people. IDK if progressives take over, but it is absolutely the end of Republicans ever winning again simply because of the age demographic. That is why the GOP is hedging everyone on winning 2024 so they can make sure there will not be a 2028. 7 minutes ago, SignificantOther said: I wouldn't be so optimistic. Young people age and tend to get more conservative, and the country is actually getting older. There is no real evidence of this happening anymore. This only happened with older people who are dying out. Young people now get more progressive as they age. The young people who do get more conservative are not getting conservative in the traditional way, like queer hating, immigrant hating, etc.
Communion Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bears01 said: I would argue: democrats on the local level>>>national level I mean, you're getting closer to the point. Referendums have been the only effective way to pass progressive policies because they free independent voters out of partisanship. Progressive policies are popular, even when Democrats are often not to independent voters. If this was Dem A vs Rep A with that person getting the final vote on legislation criminalizing abortion, it'd be a likely failed Democrat campaign led by trying to convince Republican women to vote Yes instead of independents to vote Yes even when this is how it looks like voters across the state broke: For comparison, centrist reactionary weirdo Tim Ryan only got 50% of independents over centrist reactionary weirdo JD Vance last year. This lines up with the 2018 governor race seeing independents similarly break 46% vs 46% to show how messaging is poor for local & federal Dems. Maybe Democrats miscalculated thinking "political independent" meant someone wanting to be told by a Democrat that they, too, hate the Chinese and will ban Mandarin if voted into the Senate! Edited November 8, 2023 by Communion
Sannie Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 The Dems have a good chance at taking the VA House too. 1
Vermillion Posted November 8, 2023 Author Posted November 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, SignificantOther said: I wouldn't be so optimistic. Young people age and tend to get more conservative, and the country is actually getting older. 1 1
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