discussion OHDems win abortion+weed; VADems win Assembly; PADems win state Supreme Court

[Bears01]

32 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said:

This one has been so funny to me cause they're so close in numbers but not at all in a pattern I or many expected.  I think many expected Abortion one to be more popular and pass, with weed also passing but a bit less popular. But instead the suburbs were a bit more intolerant of weed than abortion and many rural areas picked up on weed but not abortion. Like it seems obvious now because being an Ohioan I know the rural people love getting high in many places. But I figured the Republican rhetoric about the evils of issue 2 would scare most away still

I honestly thought issue 2 was going to win by a 25+point landslide and that issue 1 would pass with 10-15 points, but the suburbs just showed some restraint with legal weed. 
 

Still comfortable and resounding wins, and both pretty much identical to the margins MI enshrined abortion into their state constitution and legalized weed: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Michigan_Proposal_3

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Michigan_Proposal_1

[If U Seek Amy]

35 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

I honestly thought issue 2 was going to win by a 25+point landslide and that issue 1 would pass with 10-15 points, but the suburbs just showed some restraint with legal weed. 
 

Still comfortable and resounding wins, and both pretty much identical to the margins MI enshrined abortion into their state constitution and legalized weed: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Michigan_Proposal_3

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Michigan_Proposal_1

It is so crazy how different people's thoughts were on these issues but at least we are all so happy they passed! Even being over a lot of takes on how it will turn out were good thoughts

[VOSS]

My local city council (Seattle) election results are coming out and the insane “progressives” who believe enforcing the law is racist are on their way out! Including the DSA councilwoman who last week wasted hours of council time grandstanding over Israel/Palestine and didn’t even manage to bring her resolution to a vote. She didn’t run for re-election and is becoming a full-time activist instead.

[Monster Megamind]

10 minutes ago, VOSS said:

My local city council (Seattle) election results are coming out and the insane “progressives” who believe enforcing the law is racist are on their way out! Including the DSA councilwoman who last week wasted hours of council time grandstanding over Israel/Palestine and didn’t even manage to bring her resolution to a vote. She didn’t run for re-election and is becoming a full-time activist instead.

These people know only how to make noise but don't ever want to walk the talk... Moderate Dems always need to get dirty by making difficult decisions.

[Bears01]

[VOSS]

43 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said:

These people know only how to make noise but don't ever want to walk the talk... Moderate Dems always need to get dirty by making difficult decisions.

The most infuriating to me is that they run on “housing is a human right” but then do all they can to block new development and/or make it prohibitively expensive because they hate that anyone would make money from building housing

 

So then there’s not enough new housing which forces more people onto the streets. But hey, they showed those greedy property developers!

Edited November 8, 2023 by VOSS

[dawnettakins]

Uh oh guys, the neolibs have arrived to provide their misleading takes.

 

Friendly reminder that abortion access and weed legalization are progressive policies, and you don't really see moderate or mainstream corporate Dems actually genuinely fight for those policies.

 

It's generally only thanks to direct democracy viz-a-viz ballot initiatives that these policies have been enacted or enshrined in state constitutions, which is thanks to voters, not politicians or legislators.

 

The Democratic party that be and those in control don't fight for nor genuinely want to pass these policies.

 

Just look at the Biden administration and their weaksauce strategy on securing abortion rights federally.

Edited November 8, 2023 by dawnettakins

[dawnettakins]

Another example is the Biden administration's (non-existent) fight for $15 federal minimum wage. After Biden and other Dems campaigned on raising it.

 

When was the last time they even talked about raising that?

 

Minimum wage increases are similarly progressive policy, and recently have generally occurred again thanks to things like ballot initiatives where voters got to decide since the politicians rarely do anything about it unless they're forced to.

Edited November 8, 2023 by dawnettakins

[Monster Megamind]

9 minutes ago, dawnettakins said:

Uh oh guys, the neolibs have arrived to provide their misleading takes.

 

Friendly reminder that abortion access and weed legalization are progressive policies, and you don't really see moderate or mainstream corporate Dems actually genuinely fight for those policies.

 

It's generally only thanks to direct democracy viz-a-viz ballot initiatives that these policies have been enacted or enshrined in state constitutions, which is thanks to voters, not politicians or legislators.

 

The Democratic party that be and those in control don't fight for nor genuinely want to pass these policies.

 

Just look at the Biden administration and their weaksauce strategy on securing abortion rights federally.

Abortion and weed are LIBERAL policies, just like gay marriage. You could say they are progressive but they certainly aren't leftist policies like minimum wage or universal Healthcare.

[Monster Megamind]

Socially liberal policies are far more difficult to win in the ballot box compared to economically leftist policies. We literally wouldn't have won both these referendums in Ohio in 2000. 

[ClashAndBurn]

11 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said:

Abortion and weed are LIBERAL policies, just like gay marriage. You could say they are progressive but they certainly aren't leftist policies like minimum wage or universal Healthcare.

Joe Biden doesn’t even support marijuana legalization. He’s to the right of Ohio voters on this issue  

[Monster Megamind]

1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Joe Biden doesn’t even support marijuana legalization. He’s to the right of Ohio voters on this issue  

He's a centrist Dem and he has made it perfectly known. He evolves along with the median voter. In fact he was the one who was for same Sex marriage before Obama. Let's call a spade a spade.

[ClashAndBurn]

35 minutes ago, VOSS said:

The most infuriating to me is that they run on “housing is a human right” but then do all they can to block new development and/or make it prohibitively expensive because they hate that anyone would make money from building housing

 

So then there’s not enough new housing which forces more people onto the streets. But hey, they showed those greedy property developers!

By housing, you most likely mean luxury condos that aren’t affordable for the people who actually can’t afford what already exists.

 

Also, liberal suburbanites don’t want affordable housing in their communities because that (along with having black people in their neighborhoods!) will bring their property values down. This talking point is so common on r/neoliberal, all in service of demonizing price fixing because they believe in nothing other than the power of market forces.  

[Monster Megamind]

Hollywood which is more liberal than leftist has been very very instrumentatal in converting views of voters regards to abortion, weed, gay rights in the last 3 decades.. So I would say the credit for this victory goes to liberals primarily. 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Monster Megamind

[Bears01]

32 minutes ago, dawnettakins said:

Uh oh guys, the neolibs have arrived to provide their misleading takes.

 

Friendly reminder that abortion access and weed legalization are progressive policies, and you don't really see moderate or mainstream corporate Dems actually genuinely fight for those policies.

 

It's generally only thanks to direct democracy viz-a-viz ballot initiatives that these policies have been enacted or enshrined in state constitutions, which is thanks to voters, not politicians or legislators.

 

The Democratic party that be and those in control don't fight for nor genuinely want to pass these policies.

 

Just look at the Biden administration and their weaksauce strategy on securing abortion rights federally.

You said a lot of correct things, but I will say: standard bearer liberals have been good about legalizing weed at the local level. Governors like Michelle Lujan Grisham of NM, Ned Lamont of CT, Ralph Northam of VA, Pritzker of IL, Tim Walz of MN, hell even Cuomo of NY have all legalized weed through their state legs/signatures 

[Monster Megamind]

15 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said:

He's a centrist Dem and he has made it perfectly known. He evolves along with the median voter. In fact he was the one who was for same Sex marriage before Obama. Let's call a spade a spade.

Joe biden is definitely a trailblazer of his time. When he narrowly won his senate seat in Delaware by 1 percent margin,when Delaware voted for Nixon by 20 points in the same year of 1972. Delaware wouldn't become a blue state federally till 1992 and attained their first state trifecta in 2008 election.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Monster Megamind

[Monster Megamind]

Because of our bold stance towards pro choice, I think Dems shouldn't be running serious races in pro life states in the Bible belt like MS, LA, OK, AR, AL and WV. At least until there is lot of liberal migration into these states, which isn't the case right now.

[VOSS]

I hope they decide to follow MTG’s lead on the abortion issue

[VOSS]

 

[Monster Megamind]

21 minutes ago, VOSS said:

 

We love to hear it! 

[If U Seek Amy]

1 hour ago, Bears01 said:

You said a lot of correct things, but I will say: standard bearer liberals have been good about legalizing weed at the local level. Governors like Michelle Lujan Grisham of NM, Ned Lamont of CT, Ralph Northam of VA, Pritzker of IL, Tim Walz of MN, hell even Cuomo of NY have all legalized weed through their state legs/signatures 

Yeah, I am sorry, but abortion and marijuana are not progressive issues alone as they are now today. I think they are concerns of both liberals and progressives, but issues that the majority of liberals agree with. Just because some liberals do not agree with them doesn't suddenly make them not a liberal concern (such as Biden with marijuana). Biden is not the spokesman for all of liberalism. Just because people vote him doesn't mean every single liberal agrees with 100% of the things he supports. And just because he can be right leaning on some issues more than others doesn't suddenly mean he's not a liberal when he is more left leaning on many issues. There is more nuance to it than that. Politicians are not 100% = their voters. Even a hefty portion of Republican and Moderate sides agree with it. They are not far left enough to be progressive issues alone. Maybe once upon a time they were

[Bears01]

27 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said:

Yeah, I am sorry, but abortion and marijuana are not progressive issues alone as they are now today. I think they are concerns of both liberals and progressives, but issues that the majority of liberals agree with. Just because some liberals do not agree with them doesn't suddenly make them not a liberal concern (such as Biden with marijuana). Biden is not the spokesman for all of liberalism. Just because people vote him doesn't mean every single liberal agrees with 100% of the things he supports. And just because he can be right leaning on some issues more than others doesn't suddenly mean he's not a liberal when he is more left leaning on many issues. There is more nuance to it than that. Politicians are not 100% = their voters. Even a hefty portion of Republican and Moderate sides agree with it. They are not far left enough to be progressive issues alone. Maybe once upon a time they were

Precisely. They’re popular issues that has vast support among all wings of the Democratic Party, a strong majority of independents, and even a respectable amount of republicans. 
 

It’s not the Green New Deal, it’s issues that wins everywhere other than basically the Deep South (I’m In Indiana, and I’m like 90% sure Abortion and weed would win If this hellhole state ever allowed ballot initiatives) 

[Communion]

5 hours ago, VOSS said:

My local city council (Seattle) election results are coming out and the insane “progressives” who believe enforcing the law is racist are on their way out! Including the DSA councilwoman who last week wasted hours of council time grandstanding over Israel/Palestine and didn’t even manage to bring her resolution to a vote. She didn’t run for re-election and is becoming a full-time activist instead.

 

4 hours ago, VOSS said:

The most infuriating to me is that they run on “housing is a human right” but then do all they can to block new development and/or make it prohibitively expensive because they hate that anyone would make money from building housing

 

So then there’s not enough new housing which forces more people onto the streets. But hey, they showed those greedy property developers!

Not this *insane* random background reveal only for it to be attacking Kshama Sawant and outing one's self as thinking property developers as being more oppressed than Palestinians.  

[Vermillion]

 

[Bears01]

30 minutes ago, Espresso said:

 

I will say, Republicans legit did respectable last night in VA. It just doesn’t matter because now Youngkin has no leverage in the legislature and the state party is likely going to go back to being a mess when he’s out of office