discussion Marvel Studios in crisis, gathers to figure out path forward

[Gorjesspazze9]

Phase 4 made $7B 

 MCU ain’t going anywhere💀 and it’s not close to dead compared to any other cinematic franchise like Harry Potter, Pirates, Transformers, Hunger Games, ect. Like they have 3 of the top grossing films This year, and had 3 of the most Pure profitable last year and the year before. The overreactions. Lol

 

they just need to allocate thier money better and have better writing and direction…. It’s really not that deep. 
 

also it’s been confirmed that variety article is a clickbait roundup of old news by the same journalists that provided false claims and narratives during the Ray fisher controversy. And the source material & data used in the article isn’t even accurate. It’s a total mediaplay move🤦‍♀️and it’s very obvious why they dropped this a week before Marvels next blockbuster. Anyone with any media literacy knows what really going on here. It’s to run a narrative that Marvel isn’t profitable even tho NWH is one of the biggest films of the 2020’s. 😆 just facts

Edited November 2, 2023 by Gorjesspazze9

[Symmetra]

Yess at the Wanda praise . Mother is mothering these hoes. And she when she come to lash Agatha in her series finale 

[ChandlerBing]

Most of their movies are awful and cringe. There should be an investigation of fraud and bribery within the movie critics and Marvel. Glad we are witnessing the end of this dark cinema times.

[Dolce Vita]

give mantis and gamora their own spin off series and they’ll save marvel  

[Great808]

18 hours ago, Raptus said:

The whole multiverse thing was a mistake. Like now no one even cares if some character dies because they (Marvel writers) can bring them back as many times as they want. There's no stakes.

And they must stop trying to make every f****** second of every movie/show "funny". Last Thor and Ant-men were garbage  because of that. Like give us drama and bring back terrifying villains. 

Not even they’re on a good streak they just need to calm down and stop trying to get too into the whole thing of catering to the hardcore fans. Everyone was here for the Spiderman Multiverse, they just need to figure out how to make everything work smoothly.

 

They need to slow down on the shows, maybe 2, 3 a year at most, I love me some Marvel but even I don’t keep up with any of the D+ shows, it’s seriously too much.

 

I feel like especially as of lately, they got too brave and thought they could get lazy and put out whatever they wanted to because it would automatically do well and have obviously been finding out the hard way that it’s not. They definitely have the means to get back on track. 

[Cheers]

Just focus on Spider-Man. We don’t care about the others.

 

wouldn’t mind some more Shang Chi daddy either.

[Raptus]

37 minutes ago, Cheers said:

Just focus on Spider-Man. We don’t care about the others.

 

wouldn’t mind some more Shang Chi daddy either.

Tony Leung was the only daddy in that movie

[Raptus]

5 hours ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

Phase 4 made $7B 

 MCU ain’t going anywhere💀 and it’s not close to dead compared to any other cinematic franchise like Harry Potter, Pirates, Transformers, Hunger Games, ect. Like they have 3 of the top grossing films This year, and had 3 of the most Pure profitable last year and the year before. The overreactions. Lol

 

they just need to allocate thier money better and have better writing and direction…. It’s really not that deep. 
 

also it’s been confirmed that variety article is a clickbait roundup of old news by the same journalists that provided false claims and narratives during the Ray fisher controversy. And the source material & data used in the article isn’t even accurate. It’s a total mediaplay move🤦‍♀️and it’s very obvious why they dropped this a week before Marvels next blockbuster. Anyone with any media literacy knows what really going on here. It’s to run a narrative that Marvel isn’t profitable even tho NWH is one of the biggest films of the 2020’s. 😆 just facts

The way you go out of your way to suck that fat corporate d*** Marvel stans are truly pathetic 

[Brunette Ambition]

6 hours ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

Phase 4 made $7B 

 MCU ain’t going anywhere💀 and it’s not close to dead compared to any other cinematic franchise like Harry Potter, Pirates, Transformers, Hunger Games, ect. Like they have 3 of the top grossing films This year, and had 3 of the most Pure profitable last year and the year before. The overreactions. Lol

 

they just need to allocate thier money better and have better writing and direction…. It’s really not that deep. 
 

also it’s been confirmed that variety article is a clickbait roundup of old news by the same journalists that provided false claims and narratives during the Ray fisher controversy. And the source material & data used in the article isn’t even accurate. It’s a total mediaplay move🤦‍♀️and it’s very obvious why they dropped this a week before Marvels next blockbuster. Anyone with any media literacy knows what really going on here. It’s to run a narrative that Marvel isn’t profitable even tho NWH is one of the biggest films of the 2020’s. 😆 just facts

The way marvel stans all ever talk about box office this and that but never about the actual content of their lil flicks  

[panochita]

I agree with Grace when she said Kevin Feige just had too many toys to play with, he kept introducing new characters with like 6 projects in a year thinking people would give a **** about them, but the hard truth is that all people want are the Avengers again. They should have buildt a new team around Cap Marvel, you had:

 

Cap Marvel

Scarlet Witch

Cap Merica

Hawkeye

Winter Soldier

Hulk

 

Enough names to face a semi big villain like they did in Ultron, and there is a big rooster of villains they could've fought

 

 

[zoldyck]

Apart from TV shows, most of things that led to downfall were beyond their control.

 

Boseman passing, COVID, Kang actor controversy and now on going strikes. It hard to maintain huge franchise in its own but when deal such cards back to back it's become closer to impossible.

[Sawk]

No more superhero movies, EXACTLY 

[Jessie]

1) COVID

 

2) Having already written out who would have been their next key popular Avenger (T’Challa) they now face having to potentially sideline the Big Bad that the next Avengers movies would have also centred around too. Captain Marvel also being kept on the back-burner for too long and given a convoluted follow up that will effectively bury her character’s popularity; there is no clear anchor right now.

 

3) Stretching themselves (and their audiences patience) way too thin between streaming and theatrical, without a clear story vision, too large a cast of characters and gruelling, impossible deadlines for their creatives (particularly the VFX houses) leading to their batting average dropping considerably. A vicious circle that looks likely to continue.

 

4) Spider-Man being the one hero that audiences still care deeply about showing out for, still has to be shared with Sony and does little for the MCU’s woes. 
 

5) The strikes causing further delays to an already COVID delayed schedule. With the heavily serialised storytelling it’s as disastrous an impact as the writers strike is for scripted television — many struggled to bounce back in the 00s, and a lot of MCU projects will be scrapped as a result / diminishing returns will continue as audiences switch off. Wonder Man is just the start.

 

The alarm bells are ringing louder and Variety is really driving that point home. I think there’s acceptance it’s too late now to course correct with The Marvels, but if Brave New World underperforms significantly too it’s going to be a full on panic crisis. They may not get their next win until Deadpool 3 releases and X-Men really start to show up.

 

X-Men / Fantastic Four / Dr Doom is where the pivot needs to happen to and away from Kang / the multiverse / a Falcon led Avengers for sure.

[mystery]

24 minutes ago, Jessie said:

X-Men / Fantastic Four / Dr Doom is where the pivot needs to happen to and away from Kang / the multiverse / a Falcon led Avengers for sure.

Completely agree, they need to switch hard and fast.

[chris1991]

This is what they get for the trash they were putting out after endgame. 

[Gorjesspazze9]

6 hours ago, Brunette Ambition said:

The way marvel stans all ever talk about box office this and that but never about the actual content of their lil flicks  

This is literally facts if you actually read the article tho. The head writer of Blade has came out yesterday and said that article is full of half truths for sensationalism. And literally half the facts about the Marvels were wrong you just hve to read. Anyone with any media literacy knows exactly why the wrote that piece. It’s very obvious clickbait. Like Read and use your brain. Marvel has the most popular franchise and successful box office run ever. No duh, it’s about box office returns. Thats what thier arguing point is about, even tho Marvel has 8 of the highest Box office movies of this decade. 😆🤦‍♀️

Edited November 2, 2023 by Gorjesspazze9

[M!X]

5 hours ago, Jessie said:

 

 

X-Men / Fantastic Four / Dr Doom is where the pivot needs to happen to and away from Kang / the multiverse / a Falcon led Avengers for sure.

!!!

 

Just please do this, these are the only ones left out of the big Marvel IPs we actually care about, a  good X Men movie and a good F4 movie would honestly make people forget about all the garbage we got and would make Marvel movies feel like events again, and not 100% soulless cash grabs they are now (not to say they weren't cash grabs but at least movies like Winter Solider, Spiderman movies, Infinity War/End game and Guardians 1 and 3 were so good as well)

[Pink Ranger]

On 11/1/2023 at 4:48 PM, Souvenir said:

the only thing i know is that THE scarlet witch needs to be BACK

 

Wanda don’t return without a massive paycheque, she’s made it clear she wants to steer away from marvel for now, hoping money talks and they adapt House of M into a film and pay her BANK 

[Pink Ranger]

1 hour ago, chris1991 said:

This is what they get for the trash they were putting out after endgame. 

It’s not all been trash, people seem to forget endgame was 10 years of storytelling coming to an end. It was always going to be an epic film. 
 

Wandavision, Shang-chi, BP2, Spider-Man NWH, Guardians 3, Captain America & Winter Soldier and Moonnight have all been great , MOM was okay (Wanda saved it) 

 

the only duds id say are Eternals, Black Widow, Thor L&T and quantemania 

[Pink Ranger]

As a big marvel fan I will admit that the multiverse saga has damaged the brand massively, they need to hurry up and wrap it up and move on because if they carry on everything will be DOA minus Deadpool 3.

 

the multiverse has just made things too confusing for the general public to follow and if you miss one of two projects you’re completely lost 

[vuelve88]

It's what they deserve for releasing Thor: Love and Thunder. 

[GraceRandolph]

9 hours ago, Great808 said:

Not even they’re on a good streak they just need to calm down and stop trying to get too into the whole thing of catering to the hardcore fans. Everyone was here for the Spiderman Multiverse, they just need to figure out how to make everything work smoothly.

 

They need to slow down on the shows, maybe 2, 3 a year at most, I love me some Marvel but even I don’t keep up with any of the D+ shows, it’s seriously too much.

 

I feel like especially as of lately, they got too brave and thought they could get lazy and put out whatever they wanted to because it would automatically do well and have obviously been finding out the hard way that it’s not. They definitely have the means to get back on track. 

3 shows a year is still way too much

[mathekr]

6 minutes ago, Pink Ranger said:

As a big marvel fan I will admit that the multiverse saga has damaged the brand massively, they need to hurry up and wrap it up and move on because if they carry on everything will be DOA minus Deadpool 3.

 

the multiverse has just made things too confusing for the general public to follow and if you miss one of two projects you’re completely lost 

I disagree with the bolded part, because they barely touched the multivese aspect of the saga. And the only good production they did about the multiverse has been Loki, which come and gone basically.

 

One of the things that made everything too confusing for the gp to follow, imo, is the fact that Marvel basically trained the public to expect one thing leading to another and everything being connected for a decade only to drop it for this saga. Stand alone movies with no real stakes to the overarching story and that whole "you don't need to watch the d+ series to follow the movies" were the recipe for disaster. Top that off with a bunch of new characters that never even took off on the comics, the constant VFX drama and complete **** scripts being greenlit left and right.

[Magdalene]

yeah the way they mapped out the multiverse, it just feels like nothing really matters

[Johnnyboi]

It might be really over for them.