Zoomer Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 I don’t blame them tbh. Biden is an incompetent old hag who’s mentally absent, I’d pick Trump over him any day of the week and I consider myself a left-leaning centrist 1 1 4
ClashAndBurn Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 26 minutes ago, family.guy123 said: How many Arab Americans are there in raw numbers Quote Today, it is estimated that nearly 3.7 million Americans trace their roots to an Arab country. Arab Americans are found in every state, but more than two thirds of them live in just ten states: California, Michigan, New York, Florida, Texas, New Jersey, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. Metropolitan Los Angeles, Detroit, and New York are home to one-third of the population. The majority of Arab Americans are native-born, and nearly 82% of Arabs in the U.S. are citizens. https://www.aaiusa.org/demographics Enough to flip close races in Michigan and Pennsylvania if they stay home. 3
wastedpotential Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, ZeroSuitBritney said: Biden should've thought of that before sending billions of dollars to Israel for ethnic cleansing. That's his fault. No one else's. We shouldn't have to worry about if it costs him the election or not. He is murdering our people. His fault. Our government's fault. And that is certainly something that he (and we as Americans) will have on our conscience for a very long time. I don't have any sympathy for him and how his actions will cost him the election, and quite frankly if the alternative was even a little bit better I would support it wholeheartedly. That does not discount the fact that Trump (who is at probably a 99% likelihood of becoming the next President if it's not Biden, and that 1% is covering his premature death) will be significantly worse for Muslim Americans and will probably embolden Israel to commit even more extreme amounts of violence (for instance, I've seen talk on Twitter amongst the far right circles from which Trump draws his staffers, his supporters, and his ideas, of giving Israel a set amount of additional aid for each Palestinian they kill, let alone what they would do to Muslims in the US if they got the chance). Biden has been horrific, but do you not see how this probably becomes a million times worse under Trump? I'm not making a judgement on how people choose to vote or the factors that influence their decisions because I can absolutely understand the logic and perspective, but I'm also detached enough to want to explore the potential outcomes and consequences, and to me the balance seems pretty straightforward. The lesser of two evils is still evil, but that doesn't mean it's the wrong choice when there are only two options. 1
Gottasadae Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 32 minutes ago, Nova_23 said: I’m Palestinian. Please tell me how it could get worse for me with Trump as president? Biden is literally co-signing the massacre of my people. Spreading dangerous lies about Palestinians. Is actively denying the massacres existing. Sorry but you’re not gonna guilt trip me into voting for Trump. Oh he’s planning to deport arabs back to their countries. Okay well then send me on a one way ticket back to Palestine 🇵🇸 The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump is loud and proud about his racism. Biden hides it under the guise of being a liberal democrat. There are other options besides Joe Biden however the democratic party refuses to give those candidates a platform. So they can suffer as a result. It's definitely a Choice and completely your decision It's easy to blame everything on Biden and forget that all his decisions are influenced by many people and advisers, however Trump is far...far worse because he's dumb and absolutely crazy. We all know that his cultists will follow his every move and word, there will be a lot of suffering and hate crimes in US against muslims and other minorities, mark my words! ...and please don't cry, when you're gonna be afraid to walk the streets. Literally good luck coz you'll need it folks 1 1 1
Communion Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 43 minutes ago, family.guy123 said: How many Arab Americans are there in raw numbers Enough that Governor Whitmer of Michigan has tweeted the word "Israel" only once since 10/07 and it was on 10/07.
ClashAndBurn Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gottasadae said: It's easy to blame everything on Biden and forget that all his decisions are influenced by many people and advisers Biden himself is avowed Zionist and is far from an impartial arbiter on the matter. But sure, deflect to aides when he would absolutely be doing this without advice or counsel because Israeli supremacy is what he truly believes in. That is also why he stacked his administration with fellow Zionists who also endorse Palestinian genocide.
Communion Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Illuminati said: I'm sure Trump has Arab people's best interests in mind 4 hours ago, rzal said: I understand not voting for Biden but Trump would be even worse in this situation. Not to mention he'd give Ukraine to Putin in 2022 so who knows how global politics would look like right now 3 hours ago, Gaia said: The man who put in place a Muslim Ban would probably not do things different from Biden 2 hours ago, Gottasadae said: He already has stated in one of his last rallies that mass deportation and witch hunting on muslim minorities are coming, so they really don't realize what's coming for them under Trump 36 minutes ago, Elusive Chanteuse said: The unconditional support for Israel will continue and come out of our taxes regardless of party but stick it to Biden! 8 minutes ago, Gottasadae said: It's definitely a Choice and completely your decision It's easy to blame everything on Biden and forget that all his decisions are influenced by many people and advisers, however Trump is far...far worse because he's dumb and absolutely crazy. We all know that his cultists will follow his every move and word, there will be a lot of suffering and hate crimes in US against muslims and other minorities, mark my words! ...and please don't cry, when you're gonna be afraid to walk the streets. Literally good luck coz you'll need it folks Y'all realize you could instead be using all this energy - that only comes off as trying to minimize Palestinian suffering for your own personal benefit (and I mean that just matter of factly, not personally) - to demand a ceasefire and similarly threaten Biden that you'll be withholding *YOUR* votes to actually get him to stop supporting Israel? 3
BionicWooHoo Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 5 hours ago, BionicWooHoo said: So your options are either genocide + abortion rights OR genocide + no abortion rights but then abstaining is a vote for no abortion rights yay Why are y’all booing me? I’m right
Bosque Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 It'll be ironic when extremist Arab Americans, who have become extremely emboldened after being coddled by left-wing voters will cause an extreme political backlash against themselves by voting for Trump, because Biden would be "such a bad choice" for them. I'm sure they caused a 400% spike in antisemitic crimes solely to protest Zionism in Israel, with very pure motives 2 2 5
Wolf Alice Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Dephira said: It'll be ironic when extremist Arab Americans, who have become extremely emboldened after being coddled by left-wing voters will cause an extreme political backlash against themselves by voting for Trump, because Biden would be "such a bad choice" for them. I'm sure they caused a 400% spike in antisemitic crimes solely to protest Zionism in Israel, with very pure motives If you wanna play that game, a literal child was murdered in the United States of amerikkka because of the Israeli and American propaganda. And the racism towards Arabs in the US has not changed that much since 9/11 but I don't see you questioning that. Ultimately it's not enough to arrest the miscreants who are causing these incidents I guess that you need to use that piece of information as a way to paint an entire ******* demographic as the bad guys while some of their family members are probably being starved and bombed to death across the ocean. 4 3
Communion Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Dephira said: It'll be ironic when extremist Arab Americans For everyone reading, this person is a white supremacist who hopes his inherently racist language here will have you think the "extremists" are the people upset a Jewish ethno-state and dogmatic theocracy has killed 10,000+ Palestinians within 3 weeks time, while openly saying they plan to add another 2M to that total. White supremacists like this user should be questioned on how their support for Israel looks a lot like the demand to have the world's Jewish population all in a singular question and removed from all others, seemingly no different than the wishes of nazis. When white supremacist liberals like this show you who they are, believe them. Edited November 1, 2023 by Communion 6 1 1
kawk Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 Trump gonna stomp and then cook them when he wins. But sure vote for the other guy that openly hates you 1 2
GhostBox Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Gottasadae said: It's definitely a Choice and completely your decision It's easy to blame everything on Biden and forget that all his decisions are influenced by many people and advisers, however Trump is far...far worse because he's dumb and absolutely crazy. We all know that his cultists will follow his every move and word, there will be a lot of suffering and hate crimes in US against muslims and other minorities, mark my words! ...and please don't cry, when you're gonna be afraid to walk the streets. Literally good luck coz you'll need it folks Exactly these people are nuts 😂😂😂 1
Delirious Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) Some people in the other thread were talking about how 'liberals' deserve to have Trump after 'supporting' Joe Biden Well, I may just have to agree on that now after all the persuasive arguments. The clownery you have to have when you vote for Trump as a minority, I mean, yep, you deserve him, you really do. But don't be surprised when he finishes building that Mexican wall, bans abortion, kicks out immigrants, actually does the Muslim ban, bans religious clothing (except for Christianity) and strips rights away from minorities. After all, you voted for him Edit: and not at people in this thread saying white Americans can keep crying...like do you even read what you write? Trump getting elected won't impact them but you know who it will impact? POC. Jesus Christ, the amount of delusion Edited November 1, 2023 by Delirious 2 2
Delirious Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 4 hours ago, family.guy123 said: How many Arab Americans are there in raw numbers 2.1million but it's closer to 3.6million now. That's around 1% of the population.
Contessa Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Delirious said: Some people in the other thread were talking about how 'liberals' deserve to have Trump after 'supporting' Joe Biden Well, I may just have to agree on that now after all the persuasive arguments. The clownery you have to have when you vote for Trump as a minority, I mean, yep, you deserve him, you really do. But don't be surprised when he finishes building that Mexican wall, bans abortion, kicks out immigrants, bans religious clothing (except for Christianity) and strips rights away from minorities. After all, you voted for him Palestinian Americans: *rightfully, rationally, biologically being frustrated and angry with Biden over his complicit role in Gaza's destruction as the current president of the US* You: "YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, HOW DARE YOU FEEL AND REACT EMOTIONALLY AS YOUR FAMILIES AND RELATIVES ARE MURDERED, THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS, THE BLOOD WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS WHEN ALL THESE OTHER ATROCITIES HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF YOU." Dems LOVE to use fear and intimidation to keep minorities that they "seem" to care about in line. Instead of fighting for them, you sit back and watch them suffer traumas of war and genocide, simultaneously blaming THEM for future atrocities just to wash your hands off YOUR responsibility in materializing said future. Where is the humanity in that? Where is the humility? 1 1
Delirious Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Contessa said: Palestinian Americans: *rightfully, rationally, biologically being frustrated and angry with Biden over his complicit role in Gaza's destruction as the current president of the US* You: "YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, HOW DARE YOU FEEL AND REACT EMOTIONALLY AS YOUR FAMILIES AND RELATIVES ARE MURDERED, THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS, THE BLOOD WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS WHEN ALL THESE OTHER ATROCITIES HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF YOU." Dems LOVE to use fear and intimidation to keep minorities that they "seem" to care about in line. Instead of fighting for them, you sit back and watch them suffer traumas of war and genocide, simultaneously blaming THEM for future atrocities just to wash your hands off YOUR responsibility in materializing said future. Where is the humanity in that? Where is the humility? How is it not the person's fault if they vote for Trump? I mean they 'literally' voted for Trump knowing full well what he is capable of. Not to mention, even if you don't support Biden's actions which is fine, you know DAMN well what Trump will do if he gets elected. The consequences will be even more catastrophic and don't try to sugarcoat it. You can vote for Trump for all I care or abstain from voting but the end consequence and result is on you and the voters. Edited November 1, 2023 by Delirious 2
ClashAndBurn Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 18 minutes ago, Delirious said: How is it not the person's fault if they vote for Trump? I mean they 'literally' voted for Trump knowing full well what he is capable of. Not to mention, even if you don't support Biden's actions which is fine, you know DAMN well what Trump will do if he gets elected. The consequences will be even more catastrophic and don't try to sugarcoat it. You can vote for Trump for all I care or abstain from voting but the end consequence and result is on you and the voters. Why is the end consequence and result not on Joe Biden and the Democrat Party not being insufferable pieces of **** that greenlight actual genocide? 1
Delirious Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said: Why is the end consequence and result not on Joe Biden and the Democrat Party not being insufferable pieces of **** that greenlight actual genocide? this doesn't make any sense lol. read what you just said and think about it. 4
Sannie Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, Nova_23 said: American Arabs won’t be voting for Trump either. We haven’t forgotten his actions or behavior either. We will be sitting out the election and we will not be guilt tripped into choosing between a racist genocidal maniac and a racist white supremacist fascist. Those of who you who vote for either candidate should be ashamed after they’ve showed us all who they are. I understand the anger, but I am still going to vote for the lessor of two evils for my friends, myself, and my family. And it is selfish, I know, but I have two young children I need to try and take care of to the best of my ability. Biden, imo, is a stepping stone to something else. In 2028, he and the majority of his old-ass colleagues will be either dead or retired and there will be enough younger people in this country to really, really move the needle towards real progress. We will have a genuine shot at putting people into positions of power who actually care about us, because they will be us. They will be our age and from our generation. Meanwhile, if Trump wins in 2024, there is no 2028; the buck will stop at him. Trump is the GOP's last chance at power and they know this, and they are going to do everything they can to ensure they stay in power if he wins in 2024. They know once 2028 comes around, there will, like I said, be so many young voters that they will not be able to win any federal elections. They will dismantle our fragile democracy and will do to people in this country what Israel is doing to Palestine, and they have said as much multiple times. If you are not straight, cisgender, white, and Christian, you will not be spared. This is not hyperbole or fear mongering, it is the truth because it is what the GOP and Heritage Foundation has already said they are going to try and do. They have one last shot and they are going to take it. And no, I am not trying to guilt trip you because I understand where you are coming from 100% and I would never tell an Arab American to vote for someone who has handled Palestine the way this admin has. I just hope there are enough people who can see the bigger picture through all this madness. ---- Not sure how believable this is when it says Trump's support has increased when that man was trying to ban these people and their families from the country. But it does not surprise me. His admin is handling Palestine in the worst possible way. 13 hours ago, Delirious said: How is it not the person's fault if they vote for Trump? I mean they 'literally' voted for Trump knowing full well what he is capable of. Not to mention, even if you don't support Biden's actions which is fine, you know DAMN well what Trump will do if he gets elected. The consequences will be even more catastrophic and don't try to sugarcoat it. You can vote for Trump for all I care or abstain from voting but the end consequence and result is on you and the voters. People on the left are far too controlled by their emotions so they are willing to let the country burn in favor of Palestine. It is a weird way to look at things, but I kind of understand it in a way. I personally would instead try to encourage people to get more involved in politics so we do not have to rely on people like the establishment Dems and Joe Biden. If Biden wins in 2024, we have a real chance at changing things come 2028 because there will be enough people to enact real change. But if we instead throw a fit and refuse to re-elect Biden, Trump wins and it is over. Our Democracy is only as strong as the people in power allow it to be, and Trump and his people have no interest in maintaining the power of our Democracy. But people on the left are willing to let Trump dismantle everything just so they can say "I told you so," even if it means people dying in the US. People will call this logic "guilt tripping" or "fear mongering" but in actuality it the gross, grim truth of our system and where we are right now. And ironically, the very people swearing they will not vote for Biden never voted to begin with, and had they voted in 2016 like they swore they would, we may not be in this mess right now lol. Instead they just complain that Bernie was robbed. Edited November 1, 2023 by Sannie 2 2
ClashAndBurn Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 25 minutes ago, Sannie said: But if we instead throw a fit and refuse to re-elect Biden, Trump wins and it is over. Our Democracy is only as strong as the people in power allow it to be, and Trump and his people have no interest in maintaining the power of our Democracy "Our democracy" is a joke and deserves to collapse. Westerners being able to sit comfortably in their homes while their governments terrorize the Global South shows how hypocritical they are. They want peace and stability at home while chaos rages abroad. Re-electing Biden preserves the status quo: the cycle of violence under a veneer of civility politics. Trump laid the ugliness of the West bare for everyone to see. In a sense, the honesty was refreshing, and people were willing to protest against it. Now that Biden does much the same things, just with less of the "Mean Tweets" distracting everyone, the liberals are back to brunch. Biden isn't a stepping stone to anything other than more warmongering. The future he wants to build a bridge to is a President Pete Buttigieg dragging us into so many wars that we'd have to reinstate the draft 3 1
Contessa Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 14 hours ago, Delirious said: How is it not the person's fault if they vote for Trump? I mean they 'literally' voted for Trump knowing full well what he is capable of. Not to mention, even if you don't support Biden's actions which is fine, you know DAMN well what Trump will do if he gets elected. The consequences will be even more catastrophic and don't try to sugarcoat it. You can vote for Trump for all I care or abstain from voting but the end consequence and result is on you and the voters. Nowhere in my post did I mention "voting." This thread is about "approval rating," which informs how people FEEL about the current president at this current moment. The way everyone is already dogpiling on marganalized people to further fear-monger them is literally opportunistic and psychopathic behavior. 2
FOCK Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 This is no defence of Trump, but ironically, he did actually push for a resolution & admitted that Bibi had no intention for one.
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