base talk What does Beyoncé need to do to debut with 1m+?

[Antikythera]

9 hours ago, BnPac said:

The girls from her generation :

 

Alicia Keys 

Ashanti

Avril Lavigne 

J-Lo

Shakira 

Brandy 

Monica

Britney 

Xtina 

Amerie 

Mya 

 

 

Two of them do. Both white, both pop artists, both at the peak of pure sales. And the RnB girls who debuted before B during that peak of sales haven't, not even Alicia. 

 

You're a liar and bad at it. No RnB female artist from her generation has. She is okay with being the most successful female RnB artist since her debut. She's good. 

 

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OT : I'm glad that Beyoncé is the first thing that pop in Swifties' mind when their fave scores big numbers. 

 

 

 

So she sells hundreds of stadiums but she cant sell 10kk albums because she is black? Why dont the people who went to the stadiums consume her music?

 

it doesnt make sense. She is a touring force, not a sales force. Just like I explained.

 

You cant blame racism when u have one of the most successful tours of the year, a year all tours are on stadiums, meaning all of them are huge and if u are one of the tops ones, it means millions of people have to attend it, so they are not racist enough to go to the shows, but racist when it comes to streaming/buying albums?

[period sis]

8 hours ago, Axelios said:

I don't hate Beyonce. I'm just annoyed by her delusional fanbase.

So annoyed that you're CHOOSING to lurk her base in what the fanbase has to say..... 

[prézli]

Beyoncé is a bigger icon than Taylor, so she doesn't need that.

[liquiddiamonds]

5 hours ago, Antikythera said:

So she sells hundreds of stadiums but she cant sell 10kk albums because she is black? Why dont the people who went to the stadiums consume her music?

 

it doesnt make sense. She is a touring force, not a sales force. Just like I explained.

 

You cant blame racism when u have one of the most successful tours of the year, a year all tours are on stadiums, meaning all of them are huge and if u are one of the tops ones, it means millions of people have to attend it, so they are not racist enough to go to the shows, but racist when it comes to streaming/buying albums?

She has a 8x Platinum album with Destiny’s Child…. Sasha Fierce, self-titled and Dangerously in Love are all around 6x Platinum. She will eventually get a diamond plaque for at least Sasha Fierce. Her consistency is really good and unheard of among black women from her generation onwards. It’s not Taylor’s, but it’s nothing to look down upon either

[G.U.Y.]

She could improve her sales if marketing were a priority. She has missed many opportunities throughout her last album cycles, but I don't think she cares that much about first-week sales.

[olivethetree]

On 10/28/2023 at 6:32 PM, liquiddiamonds said:

 

she has impacted those that do though. weird ass thread with weird ass stans from all sides…

 

[Chris]

Beyonce does not need to debut with 1 million to prove anything.

 

What the hell is wrong with you?

 

Her talent alone pretty much speaks for itself.

 

[Johnny Jacobs]

Your obsession with charts and sales comparing taylor to other black artists is weird. Yall love to mainly compare her to rihanna and beyonce for some reason 

 

 

[LosingHimWasBlue]

9 hours ago, prézli said:

Beyoncé is a bigger icon than Taylor, so she doesn't need that.

Maybe only on Houston 

[PoisonPill]

Opening an album with those kinds of numbers requires an obsessive effort and interest in commercial success that Beyonce hasn't exhibited in over a decade. She could've launched both ST and Lemonade at 1M if she'd played the game like Taylor.

[Asscatchem]

bey can do 1 million easily with multiple versions and photocards

[Solaria]

18 hours ago, Axelios said:

I don't hate Beyonce. I'm just annoyed by her delusional fanbase.

Serving me saying ‘I’m not an OTH I just hate certain Swifties’ stop LYING. Your obsession with Beyoncé is unbound, even in my 2022 era I was still able to give Taylor her flowers if I liked her music. You just have this intrinsic and robotic need to be present in EVERY conversation about Beyoncé being celebrated, it’s quite pathetic and miserable actually

[BnPac]

16 hours ago, Antikythera said:

So she sells hundreds of stadiums but she cant sell 10kk albums because she is black? Why dont the people who went to the stadiums consume her music?

 

it doesnt make sense. She is a touring force, not a sales force. Just like I explained.

 

You cant blame racism when u have one of the most successful tours of the year, a year all tours are on stadiums, meaning all of them are huge and if u are one of the tops ones, it means millions of people have to attend it, so they are not racist enough to go to the shows, but racist when it comes to streaming/buying albums?

Who talked about racism? Who said she can't do it because she's black. She might do it, she might not. 

I pointed out facts and facts only. You said she's one of the few from her generation who didn't sell 10 plat. And you were wrong. In the sea of women who debuted before her, only two of them did, two of them are full pop artists, two of them are white, two of them did that at the height of sales. Just stating facts. If it makes you uncomfortable (as that other liking that post), it is not my problem. 

 

You shifting the focus of your initial wrong statement is laughable at best. The rest is inconsequential. 

Edited October 30, 2023 by BnPac

[1989]

She can’t, simple. 

[JBJT2786]

11 hours ago, liquiddiamonds said:

She has a 8x Platinum album with Destiny’s Child…. Sasha Fierce, self-titled and Dangerously in Love are all around 6x Platinum. She will eventually get a diamond plaque for at least Sasha Fierce. Her consistency is really good and unheard of among black women from her generation onwards. It’s not Taylor’s, but it’s nothing to look down upon either

Theyre making zero sense. Madonna who is consider the Queen of Pop never debuted at 1 mil + but started selling out stadiums 20 years into her career.

 

 

Several legacy acts can sell out stadiums as well and can't sell more than 100k for a debut these days.

 

 

So how is this their clapback when stadium sales have nothing to do with album sales when it comes to legacy acts 

[BnPac]

1 minute ago, JBJT2786 said:

Theyre making zero sense. Madonna who is consider the Queen of Pop never debuted at 1 mil + but started selling out stadiums 20 years into her career.

 

 

Several legacy acts can sell out stadiums as well and can't sell more than 100k for a debut these days.

 

 

So how is this their clapback when stadium sales have nothing to do with album sales when it comes to legacy acts 

!!! 

That's why I said the rest of the post is inconsequential. 

Such a flawed logic. Just like racism that popped out of nowhere when my post was focused on the fact that they had a broader/bigger reach and appeal. 

[vale9001]

that user just tries to troll to get a fight between swifties and behives.

 

What Beyoncè would need to get a very hard 1M debut it's still less than what Ariana would need. 

Edited October 30, 2023 by vale9001

[Comedor]

On 10/28/2023 at 7:03 PM, Draper. said:

She’s proven she doesn’t need a 1m debut to have you all talking about her even on your fave’s release weekend.

Ouch.

[Badgalbriel]

14 hours ago, prézli said:

Beyoncé is a bigger icon than Taylor, so she doesn't need that.

she is not. they're at the same level. 

[Badgalbriel]

Beyonce can sell 1M easily. She just did something similar with ST. If her next album is announced in advance, if she has pre-orders and a few variants, she will be very close. 

[LCTV]

Sell a million copies.

[spiritboy]

Beyoncé doesn't need validation like that. She's the best performer of her generation and she's one of the most respected artists ever.

[swissman]

23 hours ago, Antikythera said:

So she sells hundreds of stadiums but she cant sell 10kk albums because she is black? Why dont the people who went to the stadiums consume her music?

 

it doesnt make sense. She is a touring force, not a sales force. Just like I explained.

 

You cant blame racism when u have one of the most successful tours of the year, a year all tours are on stadiums, meaning all of them are huge and if u are one of the tops ones, it means millions of people have to attend it, so they are not racist enough to go to the shows, but racist when it comes to streaming/buying albums?

I understand what you quoted wasn't blaming anything on racism, but let me just break this down a bit.

 

Her tour attendance is basically on par with Renaissance's album sales, which suggests that her base is activated to her brand, and perhaps the larger public is not so activated as they would be if she was a much as more palatable and commercially-driven (often white) star who appeals to the masses and subsequently sells to them too.

 

To deny that there may be any racism whatsoever at play in the buying public is very ignorant. It suggests you don't think racism exists, nor that it has an affect on the people to whom it's directed. Were you not paying attention during the Formation launch? The Lemonade discourse? Her Country Music Awards performance? She had people legitimately mad, and many still have that mentality regarding her a person/brand, but also her music. As she begun to make statements that fought for and uplifted African-Americans against the clear racism happening in the country relative to police brutality, the fragility of the racist system meant that in return it was she who was called racist.

 

Even in far more racist times there have been highly successful Black musicians. That doesn't also mean it's not possible that their success has been limited.

 

Beyoncé is challenging her fans through her music. She did so with Lemonade, she did so with The Gift, she's done it again with Renaissance and all of these works centre Blackness in different ways. Racism has not affected Beyoncé to the major detriment of her career, but to say race (at least in the USA) has no affect on a Black woman's level of success is outrageous.

 

 

Edited October 30, 2023 by swissman

[Kimi]

She would have to do 180 and start heavily pandering towards white young girls from christian backgrounds which would be a failure cause she's black and too old. Y'all really don't understand society y'all live in.

[UnusualBoy]

I mean that wasn't easy for black artists, I think only Whitney, MJ, 50 Cent and Lil' Wayne had done 1 milli a week so it's not as easy as you think if you're poc.