celeb news Guinness Book Of World Records: Best Selling Female Artists.

[Queenyoncee]

10 hours ago, DemDam92 said:

We all know that Beyoncé is def not in top 5.

 

Britney has def sold more worldwide, I’m even sure Shakira sold more than Beyoncé. And don’t come with US sales comparison, it’s worldwide 

Also Celine sold more and Cher.

No, they didn‘t. Beyonce sold way more digital singles than all of them. 

[Arcadius]

If anything I'm more shocked Taylor isn't #2 at this rate.

[mons†er]

3 hours ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

You are dumb af. Gwr isn't music body. Anyone can sell pr articles to them. Celine dion and whitney aren't even mentioned and you expect us to believe that? Only stans will believe these pr numbers. Because if you know how to count equivalent, top five will be very different. Stop being dumb

yet you don't work for either and you're on a forum calling me dumb when a respected organization is saying you're wrong. 

babygirl, go do some research on what 'reading comprehension'  is. also, calling people dumb repeatedly doesn't make you any smarter.

[Maroonx]

the amount of fumes in this topic is funny. 

[Cruel Summer]

33 minutes ago, Arcadius said:

If anything I'm more shocked Taylor isn't #2 at this rate.

Even if you use the album-equivalent units method, which I think is a lot more sensible than the one Guinness uses (which is just pure album sales plus pure single sales), Taylor is only fourth right now after Madonna, Celine, and Mariah. She’s unlikely to make it to #2 in this ranking soon because of Rihanna’s massive lead in digital single sales and because sales have mostly died, but in overall consumption units, she should take #2 (passing Mariah and Celine) in the next six months.

[AvadaKedavra]

Glad to have latino and black representation there. Rihanna-Beyonce and Maria Nuñez De Carey 

Edited October 28, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[The Music Industry]

On 10/26/2023 at 11:10 PM, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said:

 

I’m sure certain individuals will still claim CM to be the holy grail of best selling artist listings, as noted above.  
 

The holy grail should be the methodology actually used by chart organizations around the world such as IFPI, Billboard, UK Charts, ARIA, as in album equivalents. There's not a single chart in the world that uses "record sales" as a methodology to determine units, is there?

 

[GoodGuyGoneGhetto]

1 hour ago, The Music Industry said:

The holy grail should be the methodology actually used by chart organizations around the world such as IFPI, Billboard, UK Charts, ARIA, as in album equivalents. There's not a single chart in the world that uses "record sales" as a methodology to determine units, is there?

 

Good for you. 
 

OT: 

[LOTF]

On 10/28/2023 at 11:52 AM, mons†er said:

yet you don't work for either and you're on a forum calling me dumb when a respected organization is saying you're wrong. 

babygirl, go do some research on what 'reading comprehension'  is. also, calling people dumb repeatedly doesn't make you any smarter.

Drag it through the mud, huney

[spree]

eh, it's just another list.  Charts, ranks, lists, Top 10, Top 5, Top 2, blah blah blah.  Singles don't equal albums, and free streams don't equal sales.  But that's my opinion.

[thequeenofpopmadonna]

On 10/27/2023 at 12:15 PM, Monster Queen said:

 

 

 

Guinness use the "record sales", which means the singles sales + pure album sales and they didn't include streams

According to ChartMaster:

Madonna 146m pure albums sales + 64m other LP + 75m physical single + 42m digital single = 327 million

Rihanna: 33m pure albums sales + 1.2m other LP + 3.6m physical single + 257m digital single = 295 million 

Mariah: 116m pure albums sales + 31.2m other LP + 37m physical single + 50m digital single = 234.2 million 

Taylor: 56.5m pure albums sales + 10.3m other LP + 0.32m physical single + 162m digital single = 229.1 million 

Beyonce: 37m pure albums sales + 6m other LP + 4m physical single + 164m digital single = 211 million

 

 

Britney: 69.5m pure albums sales + 11.4m other LP + 18.6m physical single + 83.3m digital single = 182.8 million

Then Celine dion should be in the top 3. Not others.

[Mr. Mendes]

In checking various different sources, not just GRW, Beyonce does indeed rank above Celine but not by much

[KKCuteCat]

I thought it was Celine who outsold Mariah

[Samsara]

2 hours ago, KKCuteCat said:

I thought it was Celine who outsold Mariah

Celine released more albums and sold more of them than Mariah. In fact, she’s never had a studio album sell for less than 1 million in the US alone. Mariah has 2 non-platinum studio albums in the US. This ranking is profoundly flawed on so many levels. And the fact that a singles artist like Rihanna is #2 makes it even worse.

Edited October 30, 2023 by Samsara

[thequeenofpopmadonna]

3 hours ago, Samsara said:

Celine released more albums and sold more of them than Mariah. In fact, she’s never had a studio album sell for less than 1 million in the US alone. Mariah has 2 non-platinum studio albums in the US. This ranking is profoundly flawed on so many levels. And the fact that a singles artist like Rihanna is #2 makes it even worse.

Agree on this

[Blackout2006]

 

It's the mid-off battle on this thread between the record sales and ChartMasters methodology for me- 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Blackout2006

[Blackout2006]

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Edited November 1, 2023 by Blackout2006

[Blackout2006]

Rather than combining all these factors with clearly unequal weights, artists should just be divided on best-selling pure and digital artists or something

[Johnny Jacobs]

A certain fanbase can stand to see rihanna and beyonce there. It's hilarious 

[Erotic]

Legends 

[Blackout2006]

On 10/28/2023 at 11:02 AM, QueenBeyoncé said:

We do KNOW FOR A FACT Beyoncé outsold all you mention and being delulu won’t change it stay mad hun

 

"outsold-" In what sense? The sense of cumulatively adding factors that are not of equal weight?  If we take Britney for instance, the only lead Beyonce has over her is in digital single sales and that's obviously because Britney debuted years before the boom of digital sales in music. The methodology of record sales is not as viable as it seems. 

[swissman]

1 hour ago, Blackout2006 said:

"outsold-" In what sense? The sense of cumulatively adding factors that are not of equal weight?  If we take Britney for instance, the only lead Beyonce has over her is in digital single sales and that's obviously because Britney debuted years before the boom of digital sales in music. The methodology of record sales is not as viable as it seems. 

Couldn't we conversely say that if Britney debuted years before the boom of digital sales (which along with illegal downloads, helped to squash physical album sales), that Britney's lead is at least partially because Beyoncé debuted into an era of slowed down album sales?

 

Physical album sales were at their peak around 1999/2000, and by the time 2003 came along according to this chart, in the US they went from 938 million in 1999 to 746 million in 2003, and by the time 2008 came along (Beyoncé's best selling era), they were less than half the amount of 2003 with 368 million.

 

Thus, it would stand to reason that if Beyoncé's first three albums were all released in the album sales peak, she would probably AT LEAST have sold 125% more albums.

 

And it's not as if Britney didn't release three entire albums between 2003-2008, as many as she released between 1999-2002 where she might have been able to gain more singles sales, though I understand they were not the years of her commercial peak as well as dealing with things that prevented her from fully promoting some of these eras.

 

This isn't meant to shade or diminish Britney, just to further the idea that comparing artists in this way is always going to come up with certain factors for and against them.

 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by swissman

[Sannie]

On 10/28/2023 at 1:27 PM, Arcadius said:

If anything I'm more shocked Taylor isn't #2 at this rate.

Oh, Taylor will make it to #1 eventually. She is the only female artist still able to push albums, and with her streaming advantage it will not be hard for her.

 

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This list makes sense. But are they including Bey's sales with Destiny's Child, because there is no way she is on this list as a soloist.

[kayliah]

Rihanna is not an albums artists. No one cares for her albums or her body of work, we just listen to her hits. Taylor on the other hand is more of an albumsperson. Her albums are amazing with a few duds sometimes. I luv me some Rihann for sure but artistically I respect Taylor swift more as a musician, songwriter and lately she is becoming a legendary entertainer like Beyonce, the Rep and Eras Tour sealed the deal for me.

[Pheromosa]

34 minutes ago, kayliah said:

Rihanna is not an albums artists. No one cares for her albums or her body of work, we just listen to her hits. Taylor on the other hand is more of an albumsperson. Her albums are amazing with a few duds sometimes. I luv me some Rihann for sure but artistically I respect Taylor swift more as a musician, songwriter and lately she is becoming a legendary entertainer like Beyonce, the Rep and Eras Tour sealed the deal for me.

MTE

if I had brain damage