celeb news Guinness Book Of World Records: Best Selling Female Artists.

[eli's_rhythm]

15 hours ago, Power love said:

Whitney?  Celine?, Janet? Xtina? Toni? Hmm.
 

 

With digital singles weighted the same as albums, Janet is low on the list but still top 20 (she's around 140M with TEA). If we weight albums above singles, she'd probably rise closer/to the top 10. Whitney and Celine would displace Rihanna and Beyonce as well in the top 5 depending on the method. I don't think Xtina or Toni would even make the top 20.

Edited October 27, 2023 by eli's_rhythm

[descg]

17 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

Well, that's "record sales", which is a questionable methodology where singles sales and album sales have the exact same worth. Using that methodology, someone like Chris Brown is a "better selling" artists than Adele, Barbra Streisand, ABBA, Fleetwood Mac, Britney Spears, Prince, Frank Sinatra, etc. 

 

Take that as you will 

In what planet Chris Brown sell more singles tan Adele, ABBA, Britney or Prince? You are in a pop forum?

Edited October 27, 2023 by descg

[Chartman]

The rest of the top 10 pure sales would be 

 

#6 Celine Dion

#7 Whitney Houston

#8 Barbra Streisand 

#9 Britney Spears

#10 Adele

 

Interestingly, Chartmasters CSPC method and combining pure sales leads to the same 10 females inside the top 10. Madonna is top in both lists. Mariah and Taylor in the same position in both lists. Britney, Adele and Barbra miss the top5 in both lists.

 

They are the 10 biggest female musicians ever, we can debate their positions a little depending on the counting method.

 

[adylovestaylorandjb]

Ifpi should come with album equivalent list because fans will use this fraudulent list of adding cheap single with album to come up as best seller😂. Beyonce hasn't outsold britney rofl. Atrl won't like that though, but in heart everyone knows it's not true. I hope when Taylor surpasses madonna, they award her that best selling female artist award❤

Actual list by jan 2025 will be and top ten

Madonna

Taylor

Celine

Mariah

Whitney

Barbara

Rihanna

Britney

Adele

Beyonce

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by adylovestaylorandjb

[adylovestaylorandjb]

2 hours ago, Chartman said:

The rest of the top 10 pure sales would be 

 

#6 Celine Dion

#7 Whitney Houston

#8 Barbra Streisand 

#9 Britney Spears

#10 Adele

 

Interestingly, Chartmasters CSPC method and combining pure sales leads to the same 10 females inside the top 10. Madonna is top in both lists. Mariah and Taylor in the same position in both lists. Britney, Adele and Barbra miss the top5 in both lists.

 

They are the 10 biggest female musicians ever, we can debate their positions a little depending on the counting method.

 

Taylor has 70 million pure sales as Chinese sales are like itunes downloads. He keep them in other section but they are pure sales. 

[adylovestaylorandjb]

3 hours ago, eli's_rhythm said:

With digital singles weighted the same as albums, Janet is low on the list but still top 20 (she's around 140M with TEA). If we weight albums above singles, she'd probably rise closer/to the top 10. Whitney and Celine would displace Rihanna and Beyonce as well in the top 5 depending on the method. I don't think Xtina or Toni would even make the top 20.

Even if we use album equivalent, janet isn't top ten. Top ten in album equivalent I posted above. Only janet fans like to inflate her  numbers.  140 million is her record sales not tea ( tea is already counting tens of singles as one album). Don't mix up. 

 

She is missing top ten anyways. 

[eli's_rhythm]

31 minutes ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

Even if we use album equivalent, janet isn't top ten. Top ten in album equivalent I posted above. Only janet fans like to inflate her  numbers.  140 million is her record sales not tea ( tea is already counting tens of singles as one album). Don't mix up. 

 

She is missing top ten anyways. 

I didn’t say she was top 10…

[mons†er]

21 hours ago, Devin said:

pretty accurate, disagree with the ranking.

 

should be Madonna, Mariah, then Rih but i assume they including Rih single sales

 

edit: wait Whitney should be here too? 

I found that very odd too. 

[mons†er]

44 minutes ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

Ifpi should come with album equivalent list because fans will use this fraudulent list of adding cheap single with album to come up as best seller😂. Beyonce hasn't outsold britney rofl. Atrl won't like that though, but in heart everyone knows it's not true. I hope when Taylor surpasses madonna, they award her that best selling female artist award❤

Actual list by jan 2025 will be and top ten

Madonna

Taylor

Celine

Mariah

Whitney

Barbara

Rihanna

Britney

Adele

Beyonce

 

Girl, the Guiness Book Of World Records just said she did. 

I believe the only person who doesn't like it is you. All the other Britney stans and fans that enjoy her are very comfortable with how much she has s=old in her career. 

[FreeXone]

Whitney should be there before Beyoncé. Hell Janet and Britney too if they judging it off pure sales .

[byzantium]

5 minutes ago, FreeXone said:

Whitney should be there before Beyoncé. Hell Janet and Britney too if they judging it off pure sales .

The list is accurate.  It just equates singles sales with album sales.  Artists who peaked in the digital era (Taylor, Rihanna, Beyonce) will have an advantage in a list like this. 

[FreeXone]

2 minutes ago, byzantium said:

The list is accurate.  It just equates singles sales with album sales.  Artists who peaked in the digital era (Taylor, Rihanna, Beyonce) will have an advantage in a list like this. 

Okay makes sense.

[stevyy]

52 minutes ago, byzantium said:

The list is accurate.  It just equates singles sales with album sales.  Artists who peaked in the digital era (Taylor, Rihanna, Beyonce) will have an advantage in a list like this. 

A few years ago... the narrative was... that we cannot compare albums sales from the 80s and 90s to the 2000s and 2010s/20s... while nobody was truly addressing the fact that digital track sales outsold the peak of albums sales by almost 50% (in the USA). 

 

Like the albums sales peak was at sth like 950 million, while the digital tracks peak was at 1,3 BILLION. 

 

In conclusion: The physical era girls were albums sellers... the digital era girls were singles sellers and the streaming era girls were... idk music lenders?

 

A list like the one presented by Guinness shows how different eras cannot be compared (anymore). because every decade has been so unique in terms of how music was predominantly consumed. 

 

50s - 90s = physically

00's = digitally

10's-20s = streaming

 

How those 50 years of the physical era wasn't strong enough to compete with 10 years of digital tracks sales is beyond me. Someone like Barbra Streisand who has sold arund 200 million albums and singles in those 50 years... was surpassed by someone who needed a decade to push almost 200 million tracks sales. 

 

The fact that this it totally out of balance and that Guinness couldn't realize that speaks volumes of the agenda they wanted to push. 

 

With streaming added, Taylor Swift has sold close to 900 million records (twice of what Madonna is claimed to have sold) -> almost 5 times of the entire career of Miss Streisand. LOL. 

 

 

[Chris]

Yes ya'll can argue over number 2 and on.

 

We all know Madonna is number 1.

 

[Cruel Summer]

1 minute ago, stevyy said:

With streaming added, Taylor Swift has sold close to 900 million records (twice of what Madonna is claimed to have sold) -> almost 5 times of the entire career of Miss Streisand. LOL. 

It's probably important to note that this is only true if you count it in a literally nonsensical way (converting streams to single sales, then adding that pure figure to album sales). Even then I'm not sure how accurate it is. Regardless, nobody does that. Streams and single sales are converted to album sales when using streams at all because it's a revenue-based consumption conversion, not a contest to inflate the numbers as high as you can possibly imagine.

 

Tallying record sales as single sales plus album sales like Guinness does is a faulty way to measure success, but it's at least a longstanding industry practice that has some sort of clear meaning to people who talk about these things.

[LastKiss]

Whatever the methodology is used is outstanding that no matter what Madonna is always #1

Like she SOLD MILLIONS ON MILLIONS ON MILLIONS cause how many years have passed and she's always in first place 

[stevyy]

1 minute ago, Cruel Summer said:

It's probably important to note that this is only true if you count it in a literally nonsensical way (converting streams to single sales, then adding that pure figure to album sales). Even then I'm not sure how accurate it is. Regardless, nobody does that. Streams and single sales are converted to album sales when using streams at all because it's a revenue-based consumption conversion, not a contest to inflate the numbers as high as you can possibly imagine.

 

Tallying record sales as single sales plus album sales like Guinness does is a faulty way to measure success, but it's at least a longstanding industry practice that has some sort of clear meaning to people who talk about these things.

One could convert streams to singles sales and add that to someone's records sales... it is just as logical as what Guinness did there. 

[stevyy]

1 minute ago, LastKiss said:

Whatever the methodology is used is outstanding that no matter what Madonna is always #1

Like she SOLD MILLIONS ON MILLIONS ON MILLIONS cause how many years have passed and she's always in first place 

Technically, Taylor Swift has sold twice as much as Madonna if streaming was included. 

 

In 2024 Drake, Taylor, Beatles and Eminem will surpass 1 billion records sales sps.

[JaXXXon]

22 hours ago, byzantium said:

I don't think people will doubt the list. Rather they will question whether we should consider the sale of a single to be the same as a sale of an album when comparing the commercial success of various artists.  

The same can be said about whether counting how many times a fan listens to the album at home to the album's sold units should be the same as 4 out of 5 of these acts coming from a time when how many times a fan listened to their album at home was not counted towards their official sales. 

[Soda Pop Queen]

people are asking where so and so is when it's obvious they got passed up in total records sold. Whitney, Celine and Britney are still near the top, they just aren't in the top 5 anymore. I knew the order was changing about a decade ago when digital sales records were being set. It's not surprising if you keep up. Also, the argument of album sales vs. single sales are moot. A sale is a sale when money is being exchanged for a product. These are easily measurable and certifiable, unlike streams. 

Edited October 28, 2023 by Soda Pop Queen

[adylovestaylorandjb]

6 hours ago, mons†er said:

Girl, the Guiness Book Of World Records just said she did. 

I believe the only person who doesn't like it is you. All the other Britney stans and fans that enjoy her are very comfortable with how much she has s=old in her career. 

It is called pr. Adding singles albums makes no sense. Even record companies use album equivalents now . Gwr is just adding singles qlbums. Girls use common sense. Even ifpi report in album equivalents not record sales anymore. Common sense.  Celine isn't even mentioned and anyone with common sense knows Beyonce isn't even close to her sales. 

Edited October 28, 2023 by adylovestaylorandjb

[QueenBeyoncé]

6 hours ago, FreeXone said:

Whitney should be there before Beyoncé. Hell Janet and Britney too if they judging it off pure sales .

But none of them have sold more pure records than Beyoncé, so build a bridge and get over it, being pressed won’t change that fact 

Edited October 28, 2023 by QueenBeyoncé

[Fleahive]

12 minutes ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

But none of them have sold more pure records than Beyoncé, so build a bridge and get over it, it won’t change the fact 

This. I don't know why it's such a hard concept to grasp. It's 2023 not 2001. Y'alls faves fell off a few years into their career had one resurgence and fell off again (or died). Beyonce kept going and going and going she's bound to pass them up eventually.

Edited October 28, 2023 by Fleahive

[QueenBeyoncé]

Beyoncé has the record sales & the tour gross and not counting the millions she sold w DC

I know you gurls are fuming  

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2023 by QueenBeyoncé

[Fleahive]

Does this place have a thread to post unpopular opinions? Cause I wanna drag Celine real quick...