poll Did Taylor and Gaga directly contribute to what happened to Katy?

[KMO]

2 hours ago, Mr. Stratus said:

Being 30+ and Putting an album out full of mall fodder is literally a streaming and longevity poison  but the swish swish sample is still being used 

It was simply marketed poorly. Sonically it was a continuation of her journey, CTTR was very different to everything else conceptually and thematically and misrepresented the album, and her styling didn’t fit the image of the “brand” of Katy Perry.

[Vespertine]

Bad music bad haircut bad attitude 

[AmericanIdol]

Yes, I think Taylor Swift attacking her had a HUGE impact in Katy's career

[thismoment]

Nobody gives a **** about Gaga since like 2011 so I doubt it 

[Archetype]

4 hours ago, Marry The Gods said:

This. I also don't think this is necessarily thread worthy. Gaga and Katy are two grown woman who put their past behind and came forward to support one another. They're not men in their 20s and 30s kiking about flop sales and chart positions. 

 

 

Exactly, same can be said about Taylor and Katy's relationship.  They're all on good terms and supportive of one another.  It's always the fans that take things out of context and blow up rumors to insane levels that make news.  Our faves are either busy working or at home being hermits.  They don't care about what their fans are fighting about online.

[BANKS]

6 hours ago, chosensparkles said:

No, Katy just never had a real fanbase. She always relied on her looks and the hits Max and Dr Luke were crafting with her. When all that disappeared, the rest followed

agreed. Katy’s music was never the same after she stopped working with Luke. (even tho i hate to admit it.)

 

leading up to the release of Witness, i’d say Katy, Gaga and Taylor had an equal amount of star power. the pop stans highly anticipated KP4 but she fumbled the bag. the drastic image change, the music not hitting, and the lack of genuine fan connection all contributed.

[BANKS]

5 hours ago, Mr. Stratus said:

Being 30+ and Putting an album out full of mall fodder is literally a streaming and longevity poison  but the swish swish sample is still being used 

it’s so crazy reading the lyrics of Swish Swish post-flop 

[Beyonnaise]

The year is 2053. President Swift has finished her second term in office. Fenty Spacecrafts mogul Rihanna retires to her Mars estate at 75 to record a thought-cast about her humble beginnings as a onetime popstar in the 2000s. X Æ A-12 Musk announces his eighth divorce, this time to his weeklong ex-wife AI popstar Tatianna, whose likeness is promptly deleted from existence.

 

A young twink somewhere in the outskirts of what was once known as Manhattan before The Devastation is assigned a research project about 2010s pop culture. He telepathically instructs his iChip to cognitively display archival information about onetime stars from the monoculture era. He comes across a dusty old text-based website where a small, saggy group of analog computer users type out words expressing thoughts about former human popstars, known as "ATRL." He observes a conversation titled: "Witness flopped and ended Katy. Why?" Confused, he sees that a tense, pages-long conversation about a piece of music flopping on the former Billboard charts in 2017 is still ongoing, despite an answer being conclusively reached by historians many decades ago.

Edited October 24, 2023 by Beyonnaise

[Maroonx]

LOL no. Just go and listen to her songs and make the decision for yourself x

[TROJAN]

8 hours ago, Punky Rooster said:

Gaga no as she was over as a pop star well before Katy declined, but Taylor’s fans and their hate campaign definitely had a part in it.

She just had a sold out stadium tour last year and every single one of her albums has had at least 1 Multi-Platinum Top 5 hit, to this day.

[TROJAN]

2 hours ago, thismoment said:

Nobody gives a **** about Gaga since like 2011 so I doubt it 

 

1 minute ago, TROJAN said:

She just had a sold out stadium tour last year and every single one of her albums has had at least 1 Multi-Platinum Top 5 hit, to this day.

This is the reality, @thismoment

[Ron Ng]

8 hours ago, Punky Rooster said:

Gaga no as she was over as a pop star well before Katy declined, but Taylor’s fans and their hate campaign definitely had a part in it.

This. Gaga's career as a pop star was over in 2013, 4 years before Katy's fail

[UnusualBoy]

Nope, only Katy's to blame for her downfall.

[Sannie]

No, Katy's own poor decisions at the beginning of her career are what did her in. She and her team focused too heavily on commercial success and not enough on garnering a fanbase or facilitating legacy creation. Her career was always reliant on having a hit song and being pretty because she failed to do those two things, so when she stopped getting hits and began to age, she fell. She did not have anything to fall back on like critical success or a reputation for being a good performer.

 

7 hours ago, Take Me Apart said:

Gaga was just as irrelevant as Katy during the Witness era if not more, she had just come out of the Joanne era which was her biggest and most disappointing flop. When she regained enough momentum to be considered relevant Katy was already done. 

Joanne sold more than Katy's album, the tour was sold out, and she did the Superbowl. Gaga was in the midst of a career renaissance that culminated in the force that was ASIB. You people really do not live outside of ATRL.  

Edited October 24, 2023 by Sannie

[dawnettakins]

Gurl what 

 

Also, the absolute deranged delusion some of y'all on this site have acting like Gaga is over or something when she's still as A-List as it comes. 

 

Literally worms for brains 

Edited October 24, 2023 by dawnettakins

[AvadaKedavra]

Taylor helped a little  and the huge 1989 backlash she got in 2015 was her karma for it.
The way Katy had to be the one apologizing and not Taylor is sick.
I love Taylor so much but that was inexcusable. She's such an  entitled woman.
There's a chance she's goin to hell in the afterlife with zeena lavey FOR all the things she did to katy 

I dont believe the dancers thing

1. Taylor was bitter for the John mayer situation
2. Katy was america's sweetheart. Taylor knew this and to be the Top-Of-The Tops she needed Katy to go away. Bad Blood was perfect for it. Then she took her crown 

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Katy and Gaga was a more complicated situation. They both clearly disliked each othe
They were cordial but was a lot of jealousy from both sides. They matured a lot and they probably feel like they have more in common now. 
 

Edited October 24, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[Mystic Boy]

22 hours ago, TROJAN said:

She just had a sold out stadium tour last year and every single one of her albums has had at least 1 Multi-Platinum Top 5 hit, to this day.

 

21 hours ago, Sannie said:

No, Katy's own poor decisions at the beginning of her career are what did her in. She and her team focused too heavily on commercial success and not enough on garnering a fanbase or facilitating legacy creation. Her career was always reliant on having a hit song and being pretty because she failed to do those two things, so when she stopped getting hits and began to age, she fell. She did not have anything to fall back on like critical success or a reputation for being a good performer.

 

Joanne sold more than Katy's album, the tour was sold out, and she did the Superbowl. Gaga was in the midst of a career renaissance that culminated in the force that was ASIB. You people really do not live outside of ATRL.  

The denial they live in is one for the books

Their brain totally erased what happened to Gaga in 2018

[Rihinvention]

I actually do think Katy lost a lot of female fans after Bad Blood, particularly amongst young, American girls who loved her in 2010-2014.

 

Taylor is simply too powerful amongst that demographic, which contributed to Katy losing them as loyal fans during Witness.