base talk can rihanna go on a stadium tour like Bey, taylor and pink?

[Kimbra]

What is this thread?

[WildHeart]

Me when Rihanna gets her first 200M grossing tour 

3 minutes ago, lonnie said:

You're forgiven

[Feanor]

1 minute ago, lonnie said:

It's baffling that you don't seem to get it

Just because swifties get into arguments for no reason doesn't mean everyone else does/likes to. What's not clicking?

But no Swiftie got into an argument. All I see on the first pages is someone answering the OP's question with a picture they brought up as a support of their opinion, and then a member of the Navy engaged them on that opinion with a counter-point. So by the looks of it, both the Swifties and Navy like to argue, no need to exclude your own.

 

[Axelios]

3 minutes ago, lonnie said:

I'm supposed to believe 21 pilots were bigger than Rih in 2016, is that it Feanor? And I may be wrong but I don't believe IFPI had integrated streaming then, had they?

 

The "what's included in the chart?" section seems pretty clear. Both audio and video streams were included in the artist chart (they weren't on the album one). 21 pilots was more globally consumed than Rihanna in 2019 maybe that will open you eyes about the reality of Rihanna "global success".

Edited October 23, 2023 by Axelios

[americanlife]

She can MAYBE do baseball stadiums or mid-size stadiums in certain areas of the US. Otherwise, it's arenas for ha.

[lonnie]

2 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Me when Rihanna gets her first 200M grossing tour 

Strange way to admit an obsession to an artist you apparently don't like but okay

 

 

2 minutes ago, Feanor said:

But no Swiftie got into an argument. All I see on the first pages is someone answering the OP's question with a picture they brought up as a support of their opinion, and then a member of the Navy engaged them on that opinion with a counter-point. So by the looks of it, both the Swifties and Navy like to argue, no need to exclude your own.

 

So why is it that it's only one fanbase that's engaged in a back and forth with the navy Feanor. Do you have an explanation for that?

 

 

2 minutes ago, Axelios said:

The "what's included in the chart?" section seems pretty clear. Both audio and video streams were included in the artist chart (they weren't on the album). 21 pilots was more globally consumed than Rihanna in 2019 maybe that will open you eyes about the reality of Rihanna "global success".

You're out of your damn mind if you think 21 ******* pilots are bigger than Rih lol

 

[airplane]

11 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Unlike Rihanna Taylor has several streaming hits (Spotify + Youtube)

The streaming hits being blank space and shake it off from 2014…

Edited October 23, 2023 by airplane

[Feanor]

6 minutes ago, lonnie said:

I'm supposed to believe 21 pilots were bigger than Rih in 2016, is that it Feanor? And I may be wrong but I don't believe IFPI had integrated streaming then, had they?

 

Yes, you are supposed to believe this, as this is an official global chart ranking by an organization widely recognized by the industry at large.

 

And you'd also be wrong in believing that streaming was excluded, as its inclusion is not only explicitly stated in the 2nd picture I posted, but was also iterated by IFPI when they launched this chart all the way back in 2014: 

 

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IFPI publish a global recording artists chart to accurately capture the popularity of artists across streaming channels, alongside digital and physical album and singles sales. The first chart was published in January 2014.

The independently verified chart includes sales of albums — across digital, CD and vinyl formats; singles, both downloaded and physical; on-demand streams and music videos. It includes all the music of each artist featured, not just one track or album. It uses track and album equivalents to combine measurements of downloads, physical sales and streams.

 

[Axelios]

Just now, airplane said:

The streaming hits being blank space and shake it off from 2014…

And still bigger streaming hits than anything Rihanna ever released before or after 

[Axelios]

2 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Strange way to admit an obsession to an artist you apparently don't like but okay

 

 

So why is it that it's only one fanbase that's engaged in a back and forth with the navy Feanor. Do you have an explanation for that?

 

 

You're out of your damn mind if you think 21 ******* pilots are bigger than Rih lol

 

You are not supposed to believe anything it's just a fact. I'm personally not surprised given how local Anti was.

[airplane]

1 minute ago, Axelios said:

And still bigger streaming hits than anything Rihanna ever released before or after 

consistency is key… unfortunately, taylor hasn’t been a consistent hitmaker while Rihanna has been obliterating her in that department (as demonstrated by Taylor’s biggest hit in Europe belonging to Rihanna)

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

consistency is key… unfortunately, taylor hasn’t been a consistent hitmaker while Rihanna has been obliterating her in that department (as demonstrated by Taylor’s biggest hit in Europe belonging to Rihanna)

The only thing Rihanna is consistent at is failing to outperform Taylor 5th biggest album. She consistently sold less with all her 8 albums except once in 2007 

Edited October 23, 2023 by Axelios

[Feanor]

1 minute ago, lonnie said:

Strange way to admit an obsession to an artist you apparently don't like but okay

 

So why is it that it's only one fanbase that's engaged in a back and forth with the navy Feanor. Do you have an explanation for that?

3 hours ago, FENTY. said:

That was like 7 years ago + Brexit. Taylor was giving away free tickets to fill out some reputation dates in Ireland and look at her now 

I think the fact that Taylor was brought as a counter-point to a Swiftie answering the OP's question with their own opinion & reasoning might have something to do with it, just a guess…

 

 

 

1 minute ago, lonnie said:

You're out of your damn mind if you think 21 ******* pilots are bigger than Rih lol

 

*were

 

That chart is for 2016 only. And yes, 21 Pilots were indeed bigger than Rihanna that year. That is literally a fact from an official chart by the only official and recognized third party source for global stats. No one is being out of their minds by sharing legitimate global chart rankings.

 

[Finkypop]

8 minutes ago, airplane said:

The streaming hits being blank space and shake it off from 2014…

Anti-Hero and Cruel Summer are right there, with many more from each of her recent albums since that year. You thought you ate?

 

 
 

OT: Sadly no 

 

Edited October 23, 2023 by Finkypop

[lonnie]

1 minute ago, Feanor said:

Yes, you are supposed to believe this, as this is an official global chart ranking by an organization widely recognized by the industry at large.

 

And you'd also be wrong in believing that streaming was excluded, as its inclusion is not only explicitly stated in the 2nd picture I posted, but was also iterated by IFPI when they launched this chart all the way back in 2014: 

 

 

Yes, I know they include streams NOW. I'm asking if they did then.  But you're right Anti is a flop era, seven years and still charting how could anyone think otherwise

 

 

3 minutes ago, Axelios said:

You are not supposed to believe anything it's just a fact. I'm personally not surprised given how local Anti was.

I could say that Taylor has far more local albums but you already know this, no?

 

 

 

[Axelios]

Just now, lonnie said:

Yes, I know they include streams NOW. I'm asking if they did then.  But you're right Anti is a flop era, seven years and still charting how could anyone think otherwise

 

 

I could say that Taylor has far more local albums but you already know this, no?

 

 

 

Only Taylor country albums were more local but thankfully they were also massively more successful than Anti in the US.

[WildHeart]

Blurryface - 6,556,647,173

Anti - 6,287,022,347

 

And they had better pure sales too (unsurprisingly) so it is not shocking that they were indeed bigger than Rihanna in 2016 

[lonnie]

1 minute ago, Feanor said:

 

 

 

*were

 

That chart is for 2016 only. And yes, 21 Pilots were indeed bigger than Rihanna that year. That is literally a fact from an official chart by the only official and recognized third party source for global stats. No one is being out of their minds by sharing legitimate global chart rankings.

 

And I'm sure Anti has since then outdone that twenty one pilots album and thus making that list redundant? If Anti sold less units than some of the albums that outdid it then, and has since surpassed them, how is that measure relevant? It's not like they're tracking cumulative units, just the performance of the albums that had enough units to get into the top ten in the respective years they did, no?

 

 

5 minutes ago, Feanor said:

I think the fact that Taylor was brought as a counter-point to a Swiftie answering the OP's question with their own opinion & reasoning might have something to do with it, just a guess…

You do realize you can't counter if there wasn't an attack in the first place, no?

 

 

3 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Only Taylor country albums were more local but thankfully they were also massively more successful than Anti in the US.

Shania Twain and Garth Brooks had some very global albums that were more country than the pop-py stuff that Taylor had. And your whole point was how "local" Anti was with the focus being outside the U.S. Let's stick to that and don't deflect. 

 

 

 

[Feanor]

1 minute ago, lonnie said:

Yes, I know they include streams NOW. I'm asking if they did then.  But you're right Anti is a flop era, seven years and still charting how could anyone think otherwise

You asked and you got a reply with cited quotations. That is what you wanted.

 

[lonnie]

1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Blurryface - 6,556,647,173

Anti - 6,287,022,347

 

And they had better pure sales too (unsurprisingly) so it is not shocking that they were indeed bigger than Rihanna in 2016 

And their last album. How is that doing since they're so much bigger than Rihanna and (unsurprisingly) sell more pure than Rih does?

 

[lonnie]

1 minute ago, Feanor said:

You asked and you got a reply with cited quotations. That is what you wanted.

 

The cited quotation was from 2016? I'm pretty sure their statement (that you quoted) is relatively recent and that most tracking entities they get their figures from hadn't started incorporating streams in units in the 2014 referenced in that quote lol. Whatever the case might be Anti was a successful era and an IFPI list you post from 2016 isn't going to change that.

 

 

[Feanor]

1 minute ago, lonnie said:

And I'm sure Anti has since then outdone that twenty one pilots album and thus making that list redundant? If Anti sold less units than some of the albums that outdid it then, and has since surpassed them, how is that measure relevant? It's not like they're tracking cumulative units, just the performance of the albums that had enough units to get into the top ten in the respective years they did, no?

 

That measure is relevant, because a Navy member explicitly claimed Taylor's career in 2019 to be "in shambles".

I didn't bring up IFPI in order to paint 'ANTI' as a flop. I merely used it to question your fellow Navy's logic as to why Taylor was "in shambles" while being the #1 artist in the world, whereas Rihanna didn't manage that same feat when she was last active musically, but that Navy member would not extend the same description he had for Taylor to Rihanna.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, lonnie said:

 

You do realize you can't counter if there wasn't an attack in the first place, no?

I think this is where we need to agree to disagree, cause to me there was no attack. The OP asked a question and a Swiftie replied with their reasoning being that picture. All of that is perfectly within the framework provided by the OP. You even had the good sis GoodGuyGoneGhetto counter that opinion without needing to bring up Taylor, and you don't see anyone argue over their post. 

 

[lonnie]

2 minutes ago, Feanor said:

I think this is where we need to agree to disagree, cause to me there was no attack. The OP asked a question and a Swiftie replied with their reasoning being that picture. All of that is perfectly within the framework provided by the OP. You even had the good sis GoodGuyGoneGhetto counter that opinion without needing to bring up Taylor, and you don't see anyone argue over their post. 

We don't need to agree to disagree on anything really. It's really clear that the swifties were spoiling for a fight and got one. That post (picture together with the commentary) was a dig that got the reaction that the swifties wanted and here we are arguing for pages and pages just like swifties like. I genuinely believe that y'all love to argue, because how else are y'all going to brag about your fave's successes, I might have a bit more respect for y'all if you'd admit to that than argue over the semantics of what's considered within the framework of the discussion. Swifties saw an opportunity to take a dig and did so and got the same argument thrown back to them. But let's not act like that picture wasn't and isn't commonly used as a dig

 

[kishi]

Yes, she can

[Feanor]

2 minutes ago, lonnie said:

We don't need to agree to disagree on anything really. It's really clear that the swifties were spoiling for a fight and got one. That post (picture together with the commentary) was a dig that got the reaction that the swifties wanted and here we are arguing for pages and pages just like swifties like. I genuinely believe that y'all love to argue, because how else are y'all going to brag about your fave's successes, I might have a bit more respect for y'all if you'd admit to that than argue over the semantics of what's considered within the framework of the discussion. Swifties saw an opportunity to take a dig and did so and got the same argument thrown back to them. But let's not act like that picture wasn't and isn't commonly used as a dig

You think it's semantics, I think that Swiftie just replied to the question of OP.

So I guess we just perceive the severity of the situation differently. Especially because just two posts below the one with the picture, someone from another fanbase pointed out the same thing, about how Rihanna had her struggles with the stadium dates at her last tour, and no one split hairs over that post. So I don't see that picture being a dig in this scenario when 1. it's suitable to the question the thread raises and 2. the point that the image represents or even the images themselves have been shared by members of other (1) fanbases (2) too.