kexin Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 the ANTI album withstood the test of time compared to 2016. rihanna can fill stadiums easily if she announced a tour now.
airplane Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Axelios said: Anti didn't sell as much as either Lover or Reputation. And 1989 obliterates it like it obliterates all of Rihanna discography ANTI had moved more units in the US and Globally than both albums towards the end of last decade. The situation is different now though since Taylor puts out an album every two business days
Feanor Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, lonnie said: And the navy is doing just that in turn too? So what's the problem Feanor? If the navy weren't supposed to be offended by the "photographic" evidence from years ago, why are the swifties upset that we're doing the same thing? Once again, who is claiming to be upset or for there to be a problem? The only one here who is trying to push the narrative that anyone is upset or a victim… is you. The Navy is welcome to respond back, just like anyone else, and that's what we are doing here. 1
lonnie Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Devin said: Not Taylor having 3-5k crowds in 20-22k venues. I see why they fuming now. She had it ROUGH. She scaled back to only two countries with her next tour and didn't go back to some of those cities for YEARS. It would make sense if we had gotten about their case with Taylor not being able to get 4K people in cities with millions then and they were being vindictive but we never did and they're literally mad over nothing 6 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Thankfully she was only 3 albums in, recovered and sold 160k tickets in the same city this year. Why didn't Rihanna's touring power got bigger in the same way that she could sell 15k arenas with her 8 albums catalogue during her last tour? Changed from 10K to 15K after you were proven WRONG and Rih in fact had no show with less than 10K in attendance? Just as I thought Edited October 23, 2023 by lonnie 2
Axelios Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, lonnie said: I see all those dates with over 10K sold ArtistoftheDecade, I think you might need some glasses Those dates aren't anywhere like this: March 6 Brussels Belgium Forest National Tom Dice 4,622 / 4,622 $219,212 March 7 Rotterdam Netherlands Sportpaleis van Ahoy 4,799 / 4,799 $248,314 March 9 Oslo Norway Oslo Spektrum — 8,650 / 8,650 $815,246 March 12 Oberhausen Germany König Pilsener Arena Martin & James 6,082 / 6,082 $370,028 March 15 Milan Italy Mediolanum Forum Emma Marrone 3,421 / 5,585 $153,303 March 17 Paris France Zénith de Paris — 3,598 / 8,500 $201,781 March 19 Madrid Spain Palacio de los Deportes The Bright 3,962 / 3,962 $251,864 March 22 Birmingham England LG Arena Martin & James 9,339 / 9,339 $508,854 March 25 Belfast Northern Ireland Odyssey Arena Ryan Sheridan 8,058 / 8,058 $379,001 March 27 Dublin Ireland The O2 8,681 / 8,681 $419,806 March 29 Manchester England Manchester Evening News Arena Martin & James 10,488 / 11,622 $580,558 March 30 London The O2 Arena 15,265 / 15,681 $891,152 That lady was playing in Paris with a population of over 2 million and not even half of the 8K capacity date came. Like please let's be realistic here Why not compare to Rihanna first tours? Unlike Rihanna Taylor has steadily grown as a touring artist. Rihanna first tour equivalent to Fearless world tour was limited to North American theaters while Taylor had already grossed $66.5 million. It took Rihanna 5 albums to catch up to Fearless And none of her tours grossed close to 1989 let alone Reputation 2
Axelios Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, airplane said: ANTI had moved more units in the US and Globally than both albums towards the end of last decade. The situation is different now though since Taylor puts out an album every two business days No it didn't. Also Rihanna used to release albums yearly and yet her albums always suffered from poor longevity while Taylor albums always had outstanding longevity even before the streaming era so it's not surprising that Lover would keep obliterating Anti in recent years. Anyway, does Rihanna has any album close to 1989 in terms of success ? Her albums before Anti performed even more poorly 1
CristianGarcia Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 In this climate she can do 200-250 million. So a formation tour sized success which is great. Especially with 2 albums dropping before she tours. Nobody said she needed to do Taylor’s and Beyoncé current numbers to pull a stadium tour.. so idky the comparisons in here 1
CristianGarcia Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, Axelios said: No it didn't. Also Rihanna used to release albums yearly and yet her albums always suffered from poor longevity while Taylor albums always had outstanding longevity even before the streaming era so it's not surprising that Lover would keep obliterating Anti in recent years. Anyway, does Rihanna has any album close to 1989 in terms of success ? Her albums before Anti performed even more poorly But why compare her to Taylor? The question was if she could do a stadium tour not a “Taylor sized” tour….. 1
lonnie Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Feanor said: Once again, who is claiming to be upset or for there to be a problem? The only one here who is trying to push the narrative that anyone is upset or a victim… is you. The Navy is welcome to respond back, just like anyone else, and that's what we are doing here. This is literally gaslighting lol. Several other fanbases have voiced their opinions as well but suddenly we targeted swifties, is that what you're saying? 6 minutes ago, Axelios said: Why not compare to Rihanna first tours? Unlike Rihanna Taylor has steadily grown as a touring artist. Rihanna first tour equivalent to Fearless world tour was limited to North American theaters while Taylor had already grossed $66.5 million. It took Rihanna 5 albums to catch up to Fearless And none of her tours grossed close to 1989 let alone Reputation It's not like I used Taylor's first era. She was 5 years into her career with those dates I posted. I have no problems swifties finding a Rih tour 5+ years in her career unable to bring in even 4K people Edited October 23, 2023 by lonnie 1
Archetype Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 When she was actually recording and releasing music, no. Now that she is retired, yes. The problem is Rihanna, she herself is not actually capable of going on a stadium tour. She could barely even get through her arena tours and every performance was half assed. 1 1
Axelios Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, lonnie said: This is literally gaslighting lol. Several other fanbases have voiced their opinions as well but suddenly we targeted swifties, is that what you're saying? It's not like I used Taylor's first era. She was 5 years into her career with those dates I posted. I have no problems swifties finding a Rih tour 5+ years in her careers unable to bring in even 4K people Maybe that's because Rihanna was spamming albums during these 5 years. To think that even with 8 albums she still couldn't do half of Taylor numbers with her 5th album tour 1
WildHeart Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, airplane said: ANTI had moved more units in the US and Globally than both albums towards the end of last decade. It would be embarrassing if Anti in 4 years didn't sell more than what Reputation sold in 2 years or Lover sold in 6 months. As their total years difference get closer, we can see the real picture that both Reputation and Lover are bigger albums than Anti, just like they are bigger than 6/7 other Rihanna albums. Thankfully Rihanna's GGGB makes her have at least one album bigger Lover, Taylor’s 5th biggest album 12 minutes ago, lonnie said: Changed from 10K to 15K after you were proven WRONG and Rih in fact had no show with less than 10K in attendance? Sorry, the last time my fave played in venues as small as those was almost as long ago as Rihanna’s last relevant release so i can't easily tell the difference Edited October 23, 2023 by Artistofthedecade 2 1
Axelios Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, CristianGarcia said: But why compare her to Taylor? The question was if she could do a stadium tour not a “Taylor sized” tour….. I'm not comparing her to anything just responding to someone saying Rihanna used to be bigger which is false.
airplane Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Axelios said: No it didn't. Also Rihanna used to release albums yearly and yet her albums always suffered from poor longevity while Taylor albums always had outstanding longevity even before the streaming era so it's not surprising that Lover would keep obliterating Anti in recent years. Anyway, does Rihanna has any album close to 1989 in terms of success ? Her albums before Anti performed even more poorly I'm not lying. you can compare certifications for anti vs reputation and lover prior to 2020 and find out that i am right... ANTI literally outsold + has multiple 8X-9X Platinum hits, something Taylor hasn't achieved on an album since 2014... Yes, it is indeed not surprising why Lover would keep obliterating anti since Taylor has released 300 songs this decade alone LOL... it would be a shame if that forgotten panned album from 2019 didn't finally get the boost it desperately needed... and we all know why Taylor had to downgrade from stadiums to arenas for the lover fest... her career was in shambles. 2
Feanor Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, lonnie said: This is literally gaslighting lol. Several other fanbases have voiced their opinions as well but suddenly we targeted swifties, is that what you're saying? Once again, who is feeling targeted? You are really trying to push this narrative that Swifties feel victimized, when no such claim has ever been made. Several other fanbase have disagreed or agreed with the OP's question, including Swifties on both sides. And we are now here having a perfectly normal argument. No one is playing victim, no one is gaslighting, no is being targeted. People voiced their opinions, others disagreed, and that's why there's a back-and-forth now. This is literally how it regularly goes on ATRL (since the 2000s). 1
lonnie Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, Axelios said: Maybe that's because Rihanna was spamming albums during these 5 years. To think that even with 8 albums she still couldn't do half of Taylor numbers with her 5th album tour So Rihanna had never had a problem pulling 4K+ crowds 5 years+ into her career is what you're saying? Thank you 3 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Sorry, the last time my fave played in venues as small as those was almost as long ago as Rihanna’s last relevant release so i can't easily tell the difference A funny way to admitting you were wrong but I'll take it. Next time fact check before pulling numbers sweets
WildHeart Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, lonnie said: Next time fact check before pulling numbers sweets Sorry, let me ask my question again with more accurate numbers this time. Why was Rihanna struggling to sell out 15k capacity arenas with 8 albums catalogue and a decade old career during her last tour? Edited October 23, 2023 by Artistofthedecade 1
Axelios Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, airplane said: I'm not lying. you can compare certifications for anti vs reputation and lover prior to 2020 and find out that i am right... ANTI literally outsold + has multiple 8X-9X Platinum hits, something Taylor hasn't achieved on an album since 2014... Yes, it is indeed not surprising why Lover would keep obliterating anti since Taylor has released 300 songs this decade alone LOL... it would be a shame if that forgotten panned album from 2019 didn't finally get the boost it desperately needed... and we all know why Taylor had to downgrade from stadiums to arenas for the lover fest... her career was in shambles. Certifications don't give the full picture. Lover and Reputation pure sales + streams were always much higher than Anti launch aligned. Taylor never downgraded from stadiums, she was planning to do 360° stadiums + festivals You should thank Taylor for giving Rihanna her biggest streaming hit instead of lying about her career. 2 1
airplane Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Axelios said: Certifications don't give the full picture. Lover and Reputation pure sales + streams were always much higher than Anti launch aligned. Taylor never downgraded from stadiums, she was planning to do 360° stadiums + festivals You should thank Taylor for giving Rihanna her biggest streaming hit instead of lying about her career. Taylor needs to thank Rihanna for singing the biggest hit of her career in Europe and also her highest certified hit in the US since 2014... before that, she was totally irrelevant in the continent. Edited October 23, 2023 by airplane
Feanor Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, airplane said: I'm not lying. you can compare certifications for anti vs reputation and lover prior to 2020 and find out that i am right... ANTI literally outsold + has multiple 8X-9X Platinum hits, something Taylor hasn't achieved on an album since 2014... Yes, it is indeed not surprising why Lover would keep obliterating anti since Taylor has released 300 songs this decade alone LOL... it would be a shame if that forgotten panned album from 2019 didn't finally get the boost it desperately needed... and we all know why Taylor had to downgrade from stadiums to arenas for the lover fest... her career was in shambles. Which downgrade was that? Cause the only venues Taylor had planned on doing for Lover Fest were stadiums and festivals. Can you show me where the arenas were? And mind you, you describing this as a "career in shambles"… … while singing the highest of praises for this: Can you please explain to me why Taylor's career was collapsing while she was the most consumed artist globally, but Rihanna being outdone by multiple artists left and right doesn't qualify for, at the very least, the same description? 6
Axelios Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, airplane said: Taylor needs to thank Rihanna for giving her the biggest hit of her career in Europe and also her highest certified hit in the US since 2014... before that, she was totally irrelevant in the continent. Unlike Rihanna Taylor has several streaming hits (Spotify + Youtube) much bigger than TIWYCF. Rihanna repeatedly failed to have one though even her career saving single Work failed to achieve these numbers Maybe her next lead single will manage to do it though her massively promoted comeback single LMU performance doesn't inspire much confidence... 1 3
wowsignal14 Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 if she sells her tickets for 30$ then sure! 1 2
lonnie Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Feanor said: Once again, who is feeling targeted? You are really trying to push this narrative that Swifties feel victimized, when no such claim has ever been made. Several other fanbase have disagreed or agreed with the OP's question, including Swifties on both sides. And we are now here having a perfectly normal argument. No one is playing victim, no one is gaslighting, no is being targeted. People voiced their opinions, others disagreed, and that's why there's a back-and-forth now. This is literally how it regularly goes on ATRL (since the 2000s). It's baffling that you don't seem to get it Just because swifties get into arguments for no reason doesn't mean everyone else does/likes to. What's not clicking? 5 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Sorry You're forgiven
lonnie Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Feanor said: Which downgrade was that? Cause the only venues Taylor had planned on doing for Lover Fest were stadiums and festivals. Can you show me where the arenas were? And mind you, you describing this as a "career in shambles"… … while singing the highest of praises for this: Can you please explain to me why Taylor's career was collapsing while she was the most consumed artist globally, but Rihanna being outdone by multiple artists left and right doesn't qualify for, at the very least, the same description? I'm supposed to believe 21 pilots were bigger than Rih in 2016, is that it Feanor? And I may be wrong but I don't believe IFPI had integrated streaming then, had they?
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