base talk can rihanna go on a stadium tour like Bey, taylor and pink?

[wastedpotential]

3 minutes ago, airplane said:

Taylor knows putting out makeup for her demographic wouldn't make a difference to their faces so it's understandable why she wouldn't bother with that... so she sticks to exploting her fanbase with 20+ versions of the same album

Now what the hell does this even mean 

 

And no, actually there was a thread posted today about how Taylor averages between 5 and 11 versions per album for her releases this decade. 

Speaking of a failed attempt to exploit a fanbase:

 

Spoiler

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If only said fanbase had bothered to stick around, maybe it would've worked for her 

 

Anyway, getting back on topic since you tried to derail and deflect, no, Rihanna could NOT go on a stadium tour like Beyonce, Taylor, or P!nk. I hope that is abundantly clear to you.

[Mark Rih]

30 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

I can't believe some of y'all are still arguing using 2011 touring numbers

Aren’t you the one who posted a 2016 picture 

[wastedpotential]

3 minutes ago, airplane said:

Now i don't care about celebrity money but fenty beauty is literally bringing in a billion this year after doubling in revenue and that's just one brand... talking about crash-course trajectory

Pray tell, how much do you think Taylor makes from the 90-100 million Spotify streams she gets every single day? I know you aren't well versed with songwriting credit cuts, but she does extremely well off that, on a daily basis. Rihanna does (on good days) 1/5 the same number of streams, but since she's written and produced far fewer of her songs across her entire discography, her total revenue share from each stream is probably on average 40-50% lower than Taylor's, even before considering that Taylor does 5x more per day. 

 

Next, Taylor has already sold over a million pure copies of 1989 TV (releasing on Friday). I know that's more pure sales for one album than any Rihanna album has done in a month (let alone as a pre-release), but at least 800k of those are vinyl records that were priced at $32. As the lead producer, writer, artist, and the owner of the master recording, Taylor takes a significant chunk of that revenue - on top of the thousands of pure units her other album sell every single week. 

 

Finally, Taylor is on a tour that is conservatively estimated to bring in 1.4 BILLION dollars. That number is actually based on a rather low average nightly ticket sales figure (55k, when the actual is closer to 67k), so we can expect the actual revenue take to be much bigger. Since Taylor is the biggest artist on the planet now, has songwriting on every single song played and producing credits on almost every song played, works with an in-house production and logistical management team, and partnered with the NFL for a bulk booking deal, she is again conservatively estimated to take home about 65% of the revenue from each night. This does not even begin to touch on the hundreds of millions of dollars in merch sales she's seen (perhaps you remember the hours long lines for several days before the actual shows themselves?) that she also is taking a very large cut from. 

 

There are certainly taxes to consider, but Taylor is estimated to bring home almost a billion (mostly in cash) from her activities in 2023 (let alone any future activity in 2024). Considering she is already estimated to be worth $780M before the Eras tour, that billion will indeed push her above Rihanna's current net worth figure to around 1.7B. Of course, Fenty is a highly profitable beauty company that Rihanna owns, but she doesn't get nearly as much cash out of it. She may take the majority of their post-tax, post-operating cost revenue, but I seriously doubt that they're running a 30% profit margin (what would be required for her to net a 300M payout from a $1B year). Maybe her music will do well enough this year to make it competitive, but if Taylor's 2024 looks anything like her 2023, the gap will be blown wide open. That is what I mean by a "crash-course trajectory", hope the finances weren't too complicated for you. 

[wastedpotential]

2 minutes ago, Mark Rih said:

Aren’t you the one who posted a 2016 picture 

The most recent picture available, since Rihanna hasn't bothered getting on a stage since then 

 

Taylor, however, has undertaken several one hundred million (/two hundred million/three hundred million) tours since then that we can take numbers from. 

[Mark Rih]

Just now, wastedpotential said:

The most recent picture available, since Rihanna hasn't bothered getting on a stage since then 

 

Taylor, however, has undertaken several one hundred million (/two hundred million/three hundred million) tours since then that we can take numbers from. 

I couldn’t care less about Taylor. 
 

The thread was about Rihanna touring demand in 2023. Pulling 2016 recepits is just no sense considering how many things changed since then. Hopefully the tour will actually happen and we’ll get the chance to bump this thread  

[wastedpotential]

5 minutes ago, Mark Rih said:

Hopefully the tour will actually happen and we’ll get the chance to bump this thread  

Looking forward to it 

[Maxxie]

Of course she can! She is Rihanna ffs. She has already done it, the stale old receipts of ANTI tour being empty have been proven wrong time and time again. I was at the London date myself and it was full. 

[VerdantHue]

56 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Actually Taylor's net worth was estimated by Forbes to be at $780M last year, but considering that she's in the middle of a billion dollar plus tour (to the point where you could triple Rihanna's total touring gross and it still wouldn't come close) that she's taking over a 50% cut from. Like, I don't know what to tell you girls, but Taylor is on a crash-course trajectory to surpass Rihanna's net worth, and she didn't even have to sell out and exploit her (dwindling) fanbase with shitty bargain bin makeup products to get there 

$780M but it's still not $1B, honey. A career in music is finite. Taylor hasn't even touched fashion, makeup and it's giving no longevity. Speaking of exploiting, is that why she got you buying every unnecessary, waste of resources, edition of Midnights?

Edited October 23, 2023 by VerdantHue

[istan4badgalriri]

1 minute ago, wastedpotential said:

Looking forward to it 

Lmao ok

 

that 2024 tour rumor is already spreading on Tik Tok and she hasn’t said a word yet 😭 y’all are going to be upset

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, VerdantHue said:

$780M but it's still not $1B, honey.

As I said a few posts later: 

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There are certainly taxes to consider, but Taylor is estimated to bring home almost a billion (mostly in cash) from her activities in 2023 (let alone any future activity in 2024). Considering she is already estimated to be worth $780M before the Eras tour, that billion will indeed push her above Rihanna's current net worth figure to around 1.7B. Of course, Fenty is a highly profitable beauty company that Rihanna owns, but she doesn't get nearly as much cash out of it. She may take the majority of their post-tax, post-operating cost revenue, but I seriously doubt that they're running a 30% profit margin (what would be required for her to net a 300M payout from a $1B year). Maybe her music will do well enough this year to make it competitive, but if Taylor's 2024 looks anything like her 2023, the gap will be blown wide open.

Taylor is expected to bring home a billion dollars this year alone. That money has already been made 

 

2 minutes ago, VerdantHue said:

A career in music is finite. Taylor hasn't even touched fashion, makeup and it's giving no longevity.

Oh yeah, you'd know all about a finite music career as a Rihanna fan. Luckily, Taylor is only just now peaking (and has a much stronger work effort than Rih), so I'm really not too concerned about her longevity. When that time does come, I'm sure Taylor's next non-musical venture will be in film direction or authorship, or something just as artistically meritorious as her acclaimed songwriting and music producing. At least she didn't have to resort to becoming the celebrity of the people who walk up and down the beach trying to get you to buy their cheap sunglasses, blankets, hats, seashells, or frozen desserts while you're on holiday, like Rihanna did.

 

If Rihanna does have a stadium tour, do you think she'll hire people to walk up and down the aisles to sell her various Fenty products to people in the stands waiting during the hours and hours that she's late to the start of the show? Or is that part of the delay, that she had to walk around and peddle her products herself? 

[wastedpotential]

8 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Lmao ok

 

that 2024 tour rumor is already spreading on Tik Tok and she hasn’t said a word yet 😭 y’all are going to be upset

Just like there have been rumors of a new album every year for the past 6... right? 

[Sabrina Carpenter]

i mean the ANTI Tour wouldn’t be called the EMPTi tour for no reason 

[VerdantHue]

13 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

As I said a few posts later: 

Taylor is expected to bring home a billion dollars this year alone. That money has already been made 

 

Oh yeah, you'd know all about a finite music career as a Rihanna fan. Luckily, Taylor is only just now peaking (and has a much stronger work effort than Rih), so I'm really not too concerned about her longevity. When that time does come, I'm sure Taylor's next non-musical venture will be in film direction or authorship, or something just as artistically meritorious as her acclaimed songwriting and music producing. At least she didn't have to resort to becoming the celebrity of the people who walk up and down the beach trying to get you to buy their cheap sunglasses, blankets, hats, seashells, or frozen desserts while you're on holiday, like Rihanna did.

 

If Rihanna does have a stadium tour, do you think she'll hire people to walk up and down the aisles to sell her various Fenty products to people in the stands waiting during the hours and hours that she's late to the start of the show? Or is that part of the delay, that she had to walk around and peddle her products herself? 

I am not reading all that mess but i hope you feel better after typing it hahaha. Oh and while you're reading this don't forget to celebrate Rihanna's Halftime Show entering the Guinness Book. Taylor hasn't even played the Superbowl and homegirl is American, what a shame. 

 

Edited October 23, 2023 by VerdantHue

[airplane]

46 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

There are certainly taxes to consider, but Taylor is estimated to bring home almost a billion (mostly in cash) from her activities in 2023 (let alone any future activity in 2024). Considering she is already estimated to be worth $780M before the Eras tour, that billion will indeed push her above Rihanna's current net worth figure to around 1.7B. Of course, Fenty is a highly profitable beauty company that Rihanna owns, but she doesn't get nearly as much cash out of it. She may take the majority of their post-tax, post-operating cost revenue, but I seriously doubt that they're running a 30% profit margin (what would be required for her to net a 300M payout from a $1B year). Maybe her music will do well enough this year to make it competitive, but if Taylor's 2024 looks anything like her 2023, the gap will be blown wide open. That is what I mean by a "crash-course trajectory", hope the finances weren't too complicated for you. 

Rihanna has another billion dollar company (besides fenty beauty) on top of her Puma deal which you clearly failed to consider so this essay is automatically void.

[VerdantHue]

3 minutes ago, airplane said:

Rihanna has another billion dollar company (besides fenty beauty) on top of her Puma deal which you clearly failed to consider so this essay is automatically void.

Period! Let's not forget to mention The Clara Lionel Foundation, a nonprofit organization founded in 2012 by Rihanna, that funds groundbreaking education and emergency preparedness and response programs around the world. In March 2020, the fund donated US$5 million toward COVID-19 response efforts. So Rih is also in her activist bag, Taylor could never.

Edited October 23, 2023 by VerdantHue

[istan4badgalriri]

13 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Just like there have been rumors of a new album every year for the past 6... right? 

You've been keeping up with Rihanna album news for 6 years ?

 

[airplane]

Dragging Rihanna for selling makeup and panties and turning it into a multi-billion dollar empire is a new low..

 

But it's okay though, not everyone appeals to a wide range of demographics, OR has the range to venture out so they stick to being one-dimensional and instead, capitalise on what they do best... which is putting out 20+ versions of the same album and leeching off of your fanbase. Let's hope her directorial debut goes well because last time i checked, the relentless PR campaign for that 'short film' failed miserably when the Oscars said NO

Edited October 23, 2023 by airplane

[Smarticle]

10 pages for this question

[getBusy]

Girls you’re taking this thread a little too seriously…

[WildHeart]

4 minutes ago, airplane said:

Let's hope her directorial debut goes well because last time i checked, the relentless PR campaign for that 'short film' failed miserably when the Oscars said NO

She has a massively acclaimed tour film in theaters currently which already made more money than any Rihanna tour ever so don't worry, she will do good

[GoodGuyGoneGhetto]

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

Pray tell, how much do you think Taylor makes from the 90-100 million Spotify streams she gets every single day? I know you aren't well versed with songwriting credit cuts, but she does extremely well off that, on a daily basis. Rihanna does (on good days) 1/5 the same number of streams, but since she's written and produced far fewer of her songs across her entire discography, her total revenue share from each stream is probably on average 40-50% lower than Taylor's, even before considering that Taylor does 5x more per day. 

 

Next, Taylor has already sold over a million pure copies of 1989 TV (releasing on Friday). I know that's more pure sales for one album than any Rihanna album has done in a month (let alone as a pre-release), but at least 800k of those are vinyl records that were priced at $32. As the lead producer, writer, artist, and the owner of the master recording, Taylor takes a significant chunk of that revenue - on top of the thousands of pure units her other album sell every single week. 

 

Finally, Taylor is on a tour that is conservatively estimated to bring in 1.4 BILLION dollars. That number is actually based on a rather low average nightly ticket sales figure (55k, when the actual is closer to 67k), so we can expect the actual revenue take to be much bigger. Since Taylor is the biggest artist on the planet now, has songwriting on every single song played and producing credits on almost every song played, works with an in-house production and logistical management team, and partnered with the NFL for a bulk booking deal, she is again conservatively estimated to take home about 65% of the revenue from each night. This does not even begin to touch on the hundreds of millions of dollars in merch sales she's seen (perhaps you remember the hours long lines for several days before the actual shows themselves?) that she also is taking a very large cut from. 

 

There are certainly taxes to consider, but Taylor is estimated to bring home almost a billion (mostly in cash) from her activities in 2023 (let alone any future activity in 2024). Considering she is already estimated to be worth $780M before the Eras tour, that billion will indeed push her above Rihanna's current net worth figure to around 1.7B. Of course, Fenty is a highly profitable beauty company that Rihanna owns, but she doesn't get nearly as much cash out of it. She may take the majority of their post-tax, post-operating cost revenue, but I seriously doubt that they're running a 30% profit margin (what would be required for her to net a 300M payout from a $1B year). Maybe her music will do well enough this year to make it competitive, but if Taylor's 2024 looks anything like her 2023, the gap will be blown wide open. That is what I mean by a "crash-course trajectory", hope the finances weren't too complicated for you. 

An entire thesis of a response.

It’s never that f*cking serious!

 

[Rotunda]

She can certainly sell out stadiums

 

The question is how many fans will want refunds

[Mystic Boy]

Navy VS Swifties threads never disappoint

Anyway, wasnt her team planning an arena tour after the Superbowl? Plans that finally got cancelled because of her pregnancy?

That speaks volume about their expectations on touring despite the huge hype and superbowl boost. Cant blame them though after the Anti tour fiasco

[Starshine]

Arguing about billionaires and how much money they take home oh wow. 

 

I'd put her in the same box as Drake, I think she can do $200m with her next tour with arenas + stadiums. Neither are known for performance skill, but they have the catalog of HITS.

 

[wastedpotential]

1 hour ago, VerdantHue said:

I am not reading all that mess but i hope you feel better after typing it hahaha. Oh and while you're reading this don't forget to celebrate Rihanna's Halftime Show entering the Guinness Book. Taylor hasn't even played the Superbowl and homegirl is American, what a shame. 

 

I'm glad Rihanna got that Super Bowl out of the way. Unfortunately, the career boost she received from that record-breaking audience fizzled pretty quickly, didn't it? I doubt she'll get another chance anytime soon, so I really don't think it's in your best interest to brag about the lackluster and short-lived benefits it had for her. 

 

Taylor has been asked to do the Super Bowl annually for years, and she's turned it down because her career isn't in a place where she'd need that boost. Remember how many articles were written all summer about how every stop of the Eras Tour had an equivalent economic impact to Rihanna's Super Bowl? And there were 53 US Eras dates. I'm sure Taylor will do the Super Bowl one year when she doesn't have anything better going on, but until then she's booked and busy on her global, record-shattering stadium tour. Cute for Rih to get that many to watch her performance and then choose to not engage with her catalogue after!