GhostBox Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, GhostBox said: You either take gradualism or nothing which is what the other side is offering. You all can dislike this all you want. Facts are facts. 🤷 time to get over it. 2
GhostBox Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Just now, slik said: I don't like Biden's handling of Gaza/Israel and I believe Palestine should be Free - but if the two choices are Biden and Trump in 2024 I would still vote Biden, because if Trump gets back in office the ramifications would be devastating. Exactly. 2 1
Bhabylon Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 When Biden loses because he lost the Arab American votes he needed to win, he’ll be the only one to blame 1
Thor Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 9 hours ago, Anthinos said: I don't live in the USA so I don't know how good or bad Joe Biden really is but from the outside he is doing an okay or even good job. I don't understand why so many Americans hate him. I also don't understand how anyone can vote for the Republicans. They are so far to the right it's scary. Plus you have a conservative majority in the SC. I also don't understand the leftists who refuse to vote for the Democrats because of the Israel/Palestine conflict. You do realize that the alternative would be much worse for Palestinians? The left needs to stop with this political puritanism. I hope the Democrats win again. If Trump wins... it would be a disaster for the entire western world, for progressive movements, minorities and democracy. Good. May the entire Western world BURN for supporting Palestinian genocide. 6 2 4
GraceRandolph Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 “Better than Trump” won’t motivate people to stand in line for hours to vote for him a second time. Turnout for him is going to collapse.
Elusive Chanteuse Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 I mean I guess but Bush was re-elected with his low approval ratings as well. Republicans are pretty unified on their support of Israel. 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted October 28, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted October 28, 2023 Reminder that Biden only beat Trump by 45,000 votes across three states despite Trump being in the hot seat of the presidency while the economy was garbage and the pandemic was at its worst. 1
Delirious Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Like some of y'all are really dumb and it shows. If Trump wins, the first thing he is gonna do is deport and ban all immigrants and finish that Mexican wall for real now. And impose restrictions on every other religion, race and gender apart from christianity, white people & men. And ban abortion. Don't be so selfish and think bigger & smarter. 3 1
She-Rah Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 On 10/26/2023 at 7:42 PM, John Slayne said: don't blame progressive who refuse to vote for a candidate who isn't, you know, progressive. This! How do Biden supporters expect us progressive to vote AGAIN for him when he has been an awful president with antiquated political views (republican disguised as a democrat) we need someone younger and fresh! No more corpses playing with our future. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Delirious said: Like some of y'all are really dumb and it shows. If Trump wins, the first thing he is gonna do is deport and ban all immigrants and finish that Mexican wall for real now. And impose restrictions on every other religion, race and gender apart from christianity, white people & men. And ban abortion. Don't be so selfish and think bigger & smarter. Nah. Liberals deserve the pain and suffering a second Trump term will cause at this point. They’ve made their bed by fully backing Biden, who is a genocide-denying terrorist. This is entirely on you and the evil occupation you have perpetuated. 4 3
Delirious Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Nah. Liberals deserve the pain and suffering a second Trump term will cause at this point. They’ve made their bed by fully backing Biden, who is a genocide-denying terrorist. This is entirely on you and the evil occupation you have perpetuated. You sound evil. 3 3
ClashAndBurn Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, Delirious said: You sound evil. That would be you and every other Islamophobic genocide denier like you and Joe Biden. 6 1
Delirious Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 19 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: That would be you and every other Islamophobic genocide denier like you and Joe Biden. Says the person who's openly admits that they're happy when American minorities get all their rights stripped away from them.
Delirious Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Literally so scary how there are people who think like @ClashAndBurn 1
ClashAndBurn Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Delirious said: Says the person who's openly admits that they're happy when American minorities get all their rights stripped away from them. Didn’t say the thought made me happy, but Joe Biden being president has been a massive moral failure for liberalism. The Democratic Party deserves to die, and the world would be a better place if that man got Shinzo Abe’d. You have no room to talk considering you’ve tried to incite hateful discussions about Muslims. You should have been permabanned for your rampant Islamophobic ZTP violations a long time ago; no clue why they let you stay and continue spreading your bile. 4 minutes ago, Delirious said: Literally so scary how there are people who think like @ClashAndBurn It’s scary how there are Islamophobic bigots who think like you. 4
monologueNacafe Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Not going back and forth with bootlicking Biden Stans. I said what I said. 4
Bosque Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 7 hours ago, Elusive Chanteuse said: I mean I guess but Bush was re-elected with his low approval ratings as well. Republicans are pretty unified on their support of Israel. Yeah idk why people think this is some kind of read on Biden when Republicans are much, much more empathetic about supporting Israel 2
Delirious Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Didn’t say the thought made me happy, but Joe Biden being president has been a massive moral failure for liberalism. The Democratic Party deserves to die, and the world would be a better place if that man got Shinzo Abe’d. You have no room to talk considering you’ve tried to incite hateful discussions about Muslims. You should have been permabanned for your rampant Islamophobic ZTP violations a long time ago; no clue why they let you stay and continue spreading your bile. It’s scary how there are Islamophobic bigots who think like you. Permabanned? LOL Also I am ex Muslim. YOU have no room to talk. It's absolutely hilarious how NON MUSLIMS dictate how exmuslims should use their free speech. It still baffles me how ATRL of all places is like this. Stop trying to silence us. Edited October 28, 2023 by Delirious 2
If U Seek Amy Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 15 hours ago, Communion said: It becomes clear how Americans are so easily propagandized to side with Israel when people can co-sign a post and it receive multiple likes despite said post revealing that the member who made it doesn't understand how statistics works. Not clear how statistics works? I suppose that is one way to frame it to fulfill an agenda. That poll is confirmation bias from a farther left poster on Twitter if you review his profile that fits your narrative because you know most won't read the details of how it was conducted and how flawed the data is. The numbers within the poll and details I provided are a correct analysis. This poll is being posted in bad faith. It is framing that Democratic support for Biden has fallen. Maybe it has maybe it hasn't. I can't say for sure and am not claiming it is or isn't correct. But I can say that poll is framing it as if those numbers are accurately reflecting how Democratic support for Biden has fallen similar from one month to another. The poll data indicates clearly that depending who answers the phone from one set to another it can vary widely. It is not the same people suddenly dropping support from the prior polls. It has an extremely small sample size, it does not ensure an array of demographics besides anyone age 18+ across multiple states, the poll details note the framing of questions can alter perceptions and answers, there are numerous problems with it, plus it is just one instance of a single poll. That is literally against proper accurate statistical analysis and scientific method. It is not necessarily wrong. But you cannot cite it as if that singular example is an accurate number for how all of the US feels from 1000 people randomly called I also am anti-Israel government. I just also believe in being objective with data and making sure people fully understand what they read to understand the pitfalls of the data they read
If U Seek Amy Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 10 hours ago, Bloo said: Reminder that Biden only beat Trump by 45,000 votes across three states despite Trump being in the hot seat of the presidency while the economy was garbage and the pandemic was at its worst. This is not accurate. Biden can lose Nevada, Georgia, and Arizona and still win if he gets all the pretty safe blue states + Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. He won Michigan by about 154K votes, Pennsylvania by about 82K votes, and Wisconsin by about 21K votes. Wisconsin fits into that but the other 2 do not and PA, WI, and MI have all shifted blue + we have abortion on the ballots/issues now. Plus, even if you kick out Wisconsin Biden still has reasonable chances to instead take Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina (tho particularly doubtful on this one), Arizona, and Georgia. I would definitely rather be Biden Obama won re-election without 40% approval rating and often getting African American approval ratings in the 50s. I am not saying that Biden is going to necessarily win. It is VERY on the fence and I can really see it going either way. But many things can happen between now and 2024 election season and the numbers don't mean a ton
ClashAndBurn Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, If U Seek Amy said: This is not accurate. Biden can lose Nevada, Georgia, and Arizona and still win if he gets all the pretty safe blue states + Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. He won Michigan by about 154K votes, Pennsylvania by about 82K votes, and Wisconsin by about 21K votes. Wisconsin fits into that but the other 2 do not and PA, WI, and MI have all shifted blue + we have abortion on the ballots/issues now. Plus, even if you kick out Wisconsin Biden still has reasonable chances to instead take Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina (tho particularly doubtful on this one), Arizona, and Georgia. I would definitely rather be Biden Obama won re-election without 40% approval rating and often getting African American approval ratings in the 50s. I am not saying that Biden is going to necessarily win. It is VERY on the fence and I can really see it going either way. But many things can happen between now and 2024 election season and the numbers don't mean a ton Biden is on pace toward losing Michigan with his current track record of supporting genocide against the families of the residents of Dearborn. He should be extremely nervous rn, given he's the least popular president since Jimmy Carter.
If U Seek Amy Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 11 hours ago, Elusive Chanteuse said: I mean I guess but Bush was re-elected with his low approval ratings as well. Republicans are pretty unified on their support of Israel. This. So many Presidents have awful approval and get re-elected. Look at Congress too. People put FAR too much weight into approval ratings. If you read every poll they have numerous issues and after every election season pollsters even analyze their own polls and what went wrong/right. Already so many on ATRL keep posting polls with very flawed data to support their talking points that is biased data in their favor with many flaws They just hope no one goes in and reads the details on how it was collected/analyzed. I of course would rather Biden than Trump. But I personally am not particularly in favor of Biden of Trump and am not looking at it through that lens. I am also not genocidal because I simply don't think Biden is as screwed as some think he is (for some reason thinking Biden wins = I want genocide to some?). I just find analyzing political statistics and data interesting and it is clear how some people are just pushing an agenda or for their ego to be right or something and not actually analyzing/posting data in good faith
ClashAndBurn Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 11 hours ago, Elusive Chanteuse said: I mean I guess but Bush was re-elected with his low approval ratings as well. Republicans are pretty unified on their support of Israel. Low approval.......? He had an average of 55% approval in 2004. Biden's approval is about 20 points lower
If U Seek Amy Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Just now, ClashAndBurn said: Biden is on pace toward losing Michigan with his current track record of supporting genocide against the families of the residents of Dearborn. He should be extremely nervous rn, given he's the least popular president since Jimmy Carter. I do agree he should be nervous. He did not win by a large margin. Again, though like previous posts, approval ratings don't mean much and haven't meant much for most Presidents in awhile. Many have won re-election with approvals very similar though a bit higher than Jimmy Carter. That is not good evidence. And Dearborn, Michigan only has a population of about 108K. And census data shows only about 54K of those people are going to be concerned about that if at all. I think it is notable but it is not a slam dunk some think it is. And supporting Israel may net him even more voters possibly as Israel by US citizens is still widely more popular (mostly because of their own ignorance but still)
If U Seek Amy Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) Approval of Biden’s Handling of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is Growing (morningconsult.com) I am not endorsing this poll as accurate, and it is up to you to read and analyze it. But I am posting it to indicate that while many post that Democrats have flatlined on Biden because of what they post, not all data and people indicate this. It even shows Democrats growing in support not falling. You can really cherry pick whatever and saying someone "doesn't know statistics" because you don't like that they called you out doesn't make you right Because it has to be said: No this is not a pro-Israel post. I am anti-Israeli government. This is just about approval numbers Edited October 28, 2023 by If U Seek Amy
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