news Update: Biden's Palestine failure - lowest approval of term, record-low #s w/ Dems

[Breathe On Moi]

7 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Fine. Get Biden to stop being a piece of **** and then we’ll talk, otherwise that’s basically a free vote for Trump.  

well, how will you stop Trump from being a piece of **** when he’s president? I’m all ears 

[Bhabylon]

Some of you are overlooking the very real concerns of the Arab families who have witnessed Biden sign off and fund a full on genocide in Gaza  imagine being mad at people for that 

[Communion]

27 minutes ago, GardenPanty said:

I'm sorry but if you're actually voting for a 3rd party next year then you're actually an idiot. That is basically a free vote for Trump  

If I was a Democrat and found it upsetting people weren't gonna vote for me for endorsing genocide.... I simply would not endorse said genocide?  It's very sad and frightening that Biden places his religious fanaticism and Arab hatred before the need for his party to win come 2024. 

 

Progressive politicians made dozens of sacrifices to support Biden despite him well being to their right and him outwardly punching left, like saying he'd veto Medicare For All if passed. It's shocking just how much Biden loves Israel more than he lives his very own country.

Edited October 25, 2023 by Communion

[GardenPanty]

14 minutes ago, Bhabylon said:

Some of you are overlooking the very real concerns of the Arab families who have witnessed Biden sign off and fund a full on genocide in Gaza  imagine being mad at people for that 

That would've happened regardless of who is president, America will kiss Israel's ass no matter what. That's just the way it is, am I saying that it's right? No, but our country is so corrupt that we don't have any power to stop it.

 

What we can control though is who is in charge of appointing Supreme Court justices. That is the closest to change we will ever get. And if Trump gets elected next year because y'all think having a Green Party president is possible then I have no sympathy for what's to come  

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Love Again said:

I’m not from America but it really baffles me how Trump has turned the Republican Party into basically this Handmaids Tale esque extremist group. Iirc they weren’t like this when McCain and Romney were running against Obama, right?

Nah, every Republican is a fascist.. Republicans have moved to the right but also *some* Dems have moved to the left, which is more illustrative to the policy difference now between both Dems vs the GOP *and* Progressive Dems and Establishment Dems. The latter are power brokers though and have essentially spent the last 4 years breaking in the backs of progressives and breaking campaign promise after campaign promise. 

 

Foreign policy has always been the American left's biggest weakness ("give me healthcare but let me bomb you!") that has often caused infighting and tension. McCain was just as big of a war hawk as Biden and Trump, who are no different of war criminals than Obama and GWB.

 

McCain is most known for not being able to stop shouting anti-Asian slurs due to his time in Vietnam and trying to make "bomb bomb bomb Iran!" into a jingle. Romney was what led to the faux-populism of Trump. Romney literally was set to beat Obama until he got caught on camera saying half the country is just lazy poors on welfare who he finds disgusting.

 

Policy is boring, I get it, but it's also very easy to actually see how just right-wing Democrats are as a party still (and how Republicans are even further right) when looking how little support even popular progressive policy gets amongst elected Dems.

 

3x as many House Dems signed a letter demanding Biden do all he can to BLOCK a ceasefire from being declared between Israel & Palestine than the amount of House Dems who introduced a resolution making a ceasefire the position of the US.

 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Communion

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, GardenPanty said:

then I have no sympathy for what's to come 

Know who needs to be giving people sympathy? Biden, who needs the votes of Arab Americans to win.

 

 

[woohoo]

17 minutes ago, GardenPanty said:

That would've happened regardless of who is president, America will kiss Israel's ass no matter what. That's just the way it is, am I saying that it's right? No, but our country is so corrupt that we don't have any power to stop it.

 

What we can control though is who is in charge of appointing Supreme Court justices. That is the closest to change we will ever get. And if Trump gets elected next year because y'all think having a Green Party president is possible then I have no sympathy for what's to come  

Exactly America will always side with them no matter who is president. What’s happening isn’t right but if these people think sitting the election out is a good idea then we can all sit them out forever if Trump wins. Like what are people not getting, if that man wins none of this even matters. Not a single thing. It’s all done. He’s already said a Muslim travel ban on day one. Biden is 100% not my favorite so at this point I’m voting for to keep my future votes and not end up in the gay labor camp. If he dies in office so be it. 

[nostalgic]

30 minutes ago, Communion said:

Know who needs to be giving people sympathy? Biden, who needs the votes of Arab Americans to win.

 

 

"His parents put 'Biden 2020' on his birthday cake that year"...I- 

Edited October 25, 2023 by nostalgic

[Danny789]

If they(democrats) want my vote, then have an open primary with debates. Make me believe that Biden is the best candidate. 

[Gov Hooka]

22 hours ago, kimberly said:

I think y'all need some perspective... Trump literally moved the US Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, declaring the occupied Palestinian city as Israel's capital. He does not care about Palestine either.

 

This is the reality of US politics... Most if not all of the older crop, which is like 90% of congress, sucks up to Israel. Regardless of their party.

 

Voting in American elections is useless. Has always been. A two-party system with a bullsh-t "electoral college" is not a democracy. You have no choice in this country. 

 

At the end of the day, we're just going to vote blue because they will let us queers, women, and POC live in relative peace compared to the nut jobs on the other side. 

Orrrr maybe we don’t need to tacitly endorse genocide just because it makes life “relatively” more “peaceful” for us here in the US!!! 

[kimberly]

3 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

Orrrr maybe we don’t need to tacitly endorse genocide just because it makes life “relatively” more “peaceful” for us here in the US!!! 

you live in a country that was built on genocide. you are already complicit in the erasure of indigenous Americans (if you are not one yourself).

 

you can vote for whoever you want, or abstain from voting. either way, you will be enabling genocide. your taxes pay for it!

 

your individual vote means nothing as long as the US elections are privately funded by billionaires and organizations with set agendas, and politicians serve their interests, not their constituents'. 

 

so we might as well keep LGBTQ+ rights, reproductive rights (where they exist) and the illusion of democracy. this isn't hard to understand.

[Gov Hooka]

8 minutes ago, kimberly said:

you live in a country that was built on genocide. you are already complicit in the erasure of indigenous Americans (if you are not one yourself).

 

you can vote for whoever you want, or abstain from voting. either way, you will be enabling genocide. your taxes pay for it!

 

your individual vote means nothing as long as the US elections are privately funded by billionaires and organizations with set agendas, and politicians serve their interests, not their constituents'. 

 

so we might as well keep LGBTQ+ rights, reproductive rights (where they exist) and the illusion of democracy. this isn't hard to understand.

Bingo! You said a whole bunch until you got to the point, it’s an illusion of democracy. We don’t lose or gain anything by participating. I will continue to work in my local community orgs that ACTUALLY help people, 

[Monster Megamind]

I'm perfectly OK with Biden losing the election, if it means Hamasa and Hezbollah can be completely destroyed.

Edited October 25, 2023 by Monster Megamind

[Sombre]

Good. Let him suffer and be a 1-term president for funding genocide.  

[Communion]

11 hours ago, Monster Megamind said:

I'm perfectly OK with Biden losing the election

Sig worthy tbh!

[ClashAndBurn]

12 hours ago, Monster Megamind said:

I'm perfectly OK with Biden losing the election, if it means Hamasa and Hezbollah can be completely destroyed.

Neither of those things will happen. Get real. What will happen is the US will embarrass itself in a war with Iran after depleting its stockpiles by shipping everything to Ukraine.

[differentkindahigh]

Biden is not on the Ballot in New Hampsire, Marianne Williamson is

 

The DNC have WARNED her to stop campagining. 

 

Things are going to get MESSY

Edited October 26, 2023 by differentkindahigh

[She-Rah]

On 10/22/2023 at 10:55 PM, youcallingmyname said:

He’s lost my vote unfortunately

 

🤷🏽‍♂️

Same. 
 

I plan on writing in a name and just vote down ballot for my state and local nominees 

[Letemtalk]

For all those people saying "but Trump", what is the acceptable Joe Biden death you would support and be proud to vote for?

 

Here are a few reference points:

 

2,403 death toll from Pearl Harbor attack 1941
3,000 death toll from 9/11 attack
8,372 death toll from Srebrenica massacre, 1995
13,952 (including 5,434 civilians) Siege of Sarajevo, 1992-1996
20,000 Adana massacre, Armenia, 1909
43,500 Total UK civilian war dead during the Bliz, September 1940 until May 1941
50,000 Wola massacre, part of the German response to Warsaw uprising 1944
67,200 Total civilian war dead in the United Kingdom, World War II
100,000 USAF firebombings of Tokyo, 1944–1945
180,000 estimated civilian losses in the German Invasion of Poland, 1939

 

These are also possible:

200,000 potential civilian losses if 10% of Gaza population was killed.
1.2 million, potential civilian losses for 10% of Gaza population and 10% Tehran metro area if Biden supports Netanyahu in an attack on Iran too.

Edited October 27, 2023 by Letemtalk

[Attitude]

This is my first time voting as a US citizen and I don't know who I'll be voting for. All candidates are awful.

[ClashAndBurn]

 

[Communion]

Title updated to reflect new polling.

 

 

[rac7d]

On 10/24/2023 at 7:44 PM, ClashAndBurn said:

Fine. Get Biden to stop being a piece of **** and then we’ll talk, otherwise that’s basically a free vote for Trump.  

The option dont look good Biden failed so hard I’m not even sure I care to vote. We pissed off republicans so much rallying young people to vote and it was all for naught

[John Slayne]

On 10/25/2023 at 12:53 AM, Breathe On Moi said:

well, how will you stop Trump from being a piece of **** when he’s president? I’m all ears 

this guilt-tripping won't work anymore. start blaming trump voters and mainstream media for giving trump billions dollars worth of coverage. start blaming democrats (and biden) for being incapable of producing actual opposition to trumpism. don't blame progressive who refuse to vote for a candidate who isn't, you know, progressive. 

[loveisdead9582]

If the republicans could actually find a decent candidate that isn’t completely batshit crazy, I may contemplate voting for them.  As it stands, Biden isn’t great but he’s better than trump.