news Update: Biden's Palestine failure - lowest approval of term, record-low #s w/ Dems

[kimberly]

I think y'all need some perspective... Trump literally moved the US Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, declaring the occupied Palestinian city as Israel's capital. He does not care about Palestine either.

 

This is the reality of US politics... Most if not all of the older crop, which is like 90% of congress, sucks up to Israel. Regardless of their party.

 

Voting in American elections is useless. Has always been. A two-party system with a bullsh-t "electoral college" is not a democracy. You have no choice in this country. 

 

At the end of the day, we're just going to vote blue because they will let us queers, women, and POC live in relative peace compared to the nut jobs on the other side. 

[Cruel Summer]

16 minutes ago, Communion said:

Some people reasonably don't see screams of "fight for the future of our democracy" as meaningful when Biden has committed himself to denying the Palestinian people their right to democracy. 

Not to mention that it's the "literal future of our democracy" and the most important election of our lifetimes and the last stand against fascism every single time. EVERY single time. It's always either compliance with the Democratic Party's choice, or threats that we're somehow responsible for the creation of a world where we're probably second or third on the chopping block. No matter what that candidate's views and policy stances and actions and words have been, we MUST comply or face oblivion. It's like a broken propaganda record at this point. And of course they tell us to go vote for the Republicans when we voice any dissent, missing the point entirely.

[St. Charles]

It’s fine if people don’t vote for Biden but it is what it is. Hopefully they are right and the party changes its approach. But we all know what the outcome is going to be. Just don’t pretend to be shocked this time please.

[AMIT]

elections are a farse and y'all votes are meaningless 

[Communion]

 

 

[woohoo]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

This simply doesn't work as a taunting technique, as seen by 2016, where Hillary Clinton lost solely due to the mass decision by tens of thousands of low-income black voters within the Rust Belt to simply stay home, because concerns over her hawkish record, poor enthusiasm, and anti-progressive record was met with taunts of "well who else do you have?". "You can't just NOT vote!" is a useless taunt in a reality where.... plenty of people don't lol.

 

Another fate waiting for Biden that befell Hillary: It's not just voters - it's volunteers.

 

Politically activated people are more likely to be ideologically invested in things like foreign policy like Biden's militarism over Palestine or broken policy promises like failed student debt relief. While this might not break the average voter, such failures completely demoralize the young activist, volunteer base who donate weeks of their life to get the average normie voter registered to vote, to their polling location on election day, etc.. Such young progressive grassroots organizations who donated months of their lives were how Biden was able to win states like Arizona and Georgia. 

 

Why would a bleeding heart progressive now donate their time, sweat and tears to Biden, the Butcher of Gaza?

Then we can all enjoy the trump family’s America for decades to come together. I simply am tired of telling people. If they didnt learn from 2016 then it’s what this country deserves. There has never been an actual threat to democracy until Trump. I mean he literally tried to stay in power in 2021. I hate what’s happening in Palestine, but if they want to burn our own country down over Biden’s response then so be it. If Biden is elected at least we’ll have the chance for someone better In 2028. If not well…Trump 20forever

[monologueNacafe]

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[ZeroSuitBritney]

So excited to vote 3rd party next year and I will try to convince as many people as possible too 

[GhostBox]

11 hours ago, Communion said:

 

 

Cool. They can settle for Trump who literally just said he’s gonna implement his Muslim ban on day 1 again and refuse anyone who doenst follow the Christian religion. 🤷 that’s the choices Biden or Trump. No one else can win or will win. Time to get over it. 
 

 

[differentkindahigh]

Whether these freaks here admit it or not, there is still a Democratic Primary 

[spree]

Can someone explain why if Trump wins there won’t be elections in 2028? I keep seeing this but how??

[Cruel Summer]

2 hours ago, GhostBox said:

Cool. They can settle for Trump who literally just said he’s gonna implement his Muslim ban on day 1 again and refuse anyone who doenst follow the Christian religion. 🤷 that’s the choices Biden or Trump. No one else can win or will win. Time to get over it. 
 

 

It honestly seems like you’re just refusing to admit that this is the problem and that Democrats can choose to do something else, to have a primary, to put forward someone better, to get a better platform, to actually make the right moves to win more elections and enact greater change! “Time to get over it” is the exact opposite of the correct response to that kind of situation. The binary of false choice propped up in service of the two major parties is a lie in the first place, and we all know it, and complacency with it is why it’s still allowed to continue.

[Gottasadae]

2 hours ago, spree said:

Can someone explain why if Trump wins there won’t be elections in 2028? I keep seeing this but how??

He literally tried to overturn 2020 election, convinced his uneducated base that it was rigged and stolen from him via mail in ballots and then he basically blessed the Capitol insurrection. He's an idiot that can do whatever it takes to stay in power to feed his enormous Ego 

[spree]

20 minutes ago, Gottasadae said:

He literally tried to overturn 2020 election, convinced his uneducated base that it was rigged and stolen from him via mail in ballots and then he basically blessed the Capitol insurrection. He's an idiot that can do whatever it takes to stay in power to feed his enormous Ego 

Yes I get all that, but how would he actually stop elections from happening? 

[Gottasadae]

1 hour ago, spree said:

Yes I get all that, but how would he actually stop elections from happening? 

I doubt he'll stop election but he can easily do a lot of damage to voting system so after his term, it will help to install some of his devoted puppet  

[GhostBox]

2 hours ago, spree said:

Yes I get all that, but how would he actually stop elections from happening? 

I mean Trump was pushing a plan for his admin to go get peoples ballots and voting machines in important counties they were losing  in 2020 and say it was all fraud. He wanted to stop the 2020 election 💀 

 

the difference now is in some of these states his flunkies are in positions of power to help now. 

[ClashAndBurn]

6 hours ago, GhostBox said:

Cool. They can settle for Trump who literally just said he’s gonna implement his Muslim ban on day 1 again and refuse anyone who doenst follow the Christian religion. 🤷 that’s the choices Biden or Trump. No one else can win or will win. Time to get over it. 
 

 

Functionally, Biden hasn't governed any differently through any global issue than Trump would have. The only divergence is there aren't mean tweets on Xitter.

 

In any event, Trump presidency would only serve to inflict pain on otherwise comfortable liberals that have empowered Biden and Obama to be war criminals and have refused to hold them accountable. Which would be a fraction of what they've inflicted on the Global South. Given that Biden has achieved absolutely nothing domestically, but is instigating a decline in international stability by urging Zelenskyy to throw more Ukrainians into the meat grinder for a flop counteroffensive that yielded no results and is cheerleading the largest ethnic cleansing in the Levant since the Nakba... liberals deserve Trump at this point.

[Gottasadae]

11 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Functionally, Biden hasn't governed any differently through any global issue than Trump would have. The only divergence is there aren't mean tweets on Xitter.

 

In any event, Trump presidency would only serve to inflict pain on otherwise comfortable liberals that have empowered Biden and Obama to be war criminals and have refused to hold them accountable. Which would be a fraction of what they've inflicted on the Global South. Given that Biden has achieved absolutely nothing domestically, but is instigating a decline in international stability by urging Zelenskyy to throw more Ukrainians into the meat grinder for a flop counteroffensive that yielded no results and is cheerleading the largest ethnic cleansing in the Levant since the Nakba... liberals deserve Trump at this point.

At least check your facts and bring some receipts when you worshiping your devil "master"  Another bunch of nonsense that serving Tucker propaganda realness 

 

[John Slayne]

well here comes Trump 2024... terrible for everyone but seems inevitable unless Democrats wake up and decide to run someone progressive. Biden has been underwhelming at best

[John Slayne]

7 hours ago, GhostBox said:

Cool. They can settle for Trump who literally just said he’s gonna implement his Muslim ban on day 1 again and refuse anyone who doenst follow the Christian religion. 🤷 that’s the choices Biden or Trump. No one else can win or will win. Time to get over it. 
 

 

maybe Democrats need to stop being entitled to votes on the basis of not being Republicans and get over the fact that some people will refuse to vote for them if they continue to go against them. Democrats baiting and blackmailing minorities is not ok and if it costs them the election that's their own fault, not the fault of marginalised groups that deserve better.

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Gottasadae said:

At least check your facts and bring some receipts when you worshiping your devil "master"  Another bunch of nonsense that serving Tucker propaganda realness 

 

I don't even watch Tuckums, but go off.

 

Maybe you should be more worried about Genocide Joe's impending flop at the polls next year. He's doing everything he can to alienate voters with his own actions.

[Solaria]

I’m not from America but it really baffles me how Trump has turned the Republican Party into basically this Handmaids Tale esque extremist group. Iirc they weren’t like this when McCain and Romney were running against Obama, right?

[GardenPanty]

I'm sorry but if you're actually voting for a 3rd party next year then you're actually an idiot. That is basically a free vote for Trump  

[If U Seek Amy]

4 hours ago, spree said:

Yes I get all that, but how would he actually stop elections from happening? 

I understand why this is confusing to an outsider. Let me try to explain as best as possible. 

 

So first of all, many claim it will be the end of democracy and many claim this has gone on forever. First, it has not been something that is commonplace in politics until recently in about 2016. The claims of the end of democracy only began around 2016 and beyond, at least in mass and in most of our lifetimes for those still alive following the cold war, when Trump ran and won. I am 30 but many are young and have only paid attention to politics since Trump vs Biden or Trump vs Hilary so that is all they know and thus it seems like it has gone on forever to them even though they've barely been alive (even I am still very young). There are legitimate concerns I will detail below about US democracy being posed that are more than fear mongering. 

 

So I saw you responded to the above comment, but I will try to elaborate upon it a little more. So first of all not only did Trump try to convince the courts and the public that the election was rigged, he considered trying to command the military to take over the country under martial law and deal with the situation that way. Generals have even said they made informal plans with one another what they will do if he attempted to while still in charge for a brief period before Biden took over. Thankfully that never was needed but the fact Trump and his team even considered such tactics and that it could have happened would be a literal coup d'état and a likely civil war would have ensued. Thankfully, military leaders seem poised to not listen to any President who attempts to do that without legitimate concern and they were ready to ignore Trump. 

 

Otherwise, Trump can't literally himself just stop elections. Like he doesn't have the power as does no President. Trump instead (as we can still see today in many) spread doubt in democracy and the entire system for many to try and reinstate himself somehow. And if enough people doubt the system as legitimate and wish to that could be the end of the US or at least a huge revolution in something like civil war or who knows what. Democracy operates because most people in the country generally believe in it even if they don't like it because it is better to be for it to be more civil and reasonably safe for it's citizens than just complete and utter anarchy. And he was especially doing this with no legitimate evidence other than BS claims the courts all threw out

 

Looking forward to 2024 if Trump wins we honestly probably WONT see the end of democracy. But like the details noted above, there are legitimate concerns. He will likely use the platform to further spread more discord in the US and about democracy. He will likely tarnish our relationships again with other countries. He is even MORE pro Israel than Biden and will do far worse. He will divide the US more and cause more tension between people and their family/friends/loved ones, whatever else like he did last time due to being so polarizing. You will likely see more religion instituted into the system and far more government control on things like women's rights, LBGT rights, and so on. Soooo much damaging. Even if he doesn't fully destroy democracy, he will set us back tremendously almost certainly and does pose actual concerns due to his rhetoric and chaotic actions. 

 

While right now I don't think anyone really wants to defend Biden, if you remove emotional thoughts and words due to his recent blunders and people's feelings over his Israel/Hamas handling, his mediocrity is still keeping us way better off. Even if just not spewing hateful and chaos from his mouth 24/7 like Trump. But at the very least he has helped nominally with some student loan debt relief, his admin does help give more protections to minorities than Trump's did, they aren't actively pursuing putting the US into some Jesus dominated bible country state like Trump will, they did pass the biggest infrastructure bill ever even if it was still not nearly enough, they have made a lot of progress on climate (though he has done some negative things against this though, but with issues with Saudi Arabia now a huge gas supplier and prices so high with the Russia/Ukraine conflict they have to get more gas from somewhere to help lower costs so it sucks until we can fully transition and seems hypocritical, but you have to be realistic we cant just transition in a day), huge job growth/low unemployment, did raise the federal minimum wage (even though its still too low), forced taxes on corporations that were paying 0, and more. Like while he has done not NEARLY enough you can't say he has done NOTHING. And it is better than what we will get with Trump  People here love to say Biden is the same as Trump and while there are some ways yes, it is a gross over simplification of the 2

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

5 minutes ago, GardenPanty said:

I'm sorry but if you're actually voting for a 3rd party next year then you're actually an idiot. That is basically a free vote for Trump  

Fine. Get Biden to stop being a piece of **** and then we’ll talk, otherwise that’s basically a free vote for Trump.