GhostBox Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 33 minutes ago, luckythisway said: Almost all of my friends who were drinking the “Settle for Biden” kool aid in 2020 have all switched on him, and are planning to vote for the other party regardless of the nominee. Maybe hope isn’t lost on our generation Well they can have fun with trump then 😂 4 2
Breathe On Moi Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 38 minutes ago, luckythisway said: Almost all of my friends who were drinking the “Settle for Biden” kool aid in 2020 have all switched on him, and are planning to vote for the other party regardless of the nominee. Maybe hope isn’t lost on our generation and just like that Joe just lost some imaginary votes 11
luckythisway Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Breathe On Moi said: and just like that Joe just lost some imaginary votes Wake up & smell the coffee grandpa. He’s over 1
youcallingmyname Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 He’s lost my vote unfortunately 🤷🏽♂️ 2
If U Seek Amy Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 7 hours ago, HEAVYONIT said: As I said, the election is 1 year out. Don’t look too far into these numbers right now. Right. People cherry pick whatever polls they want to fit their narrative and it samples at most a few thousand people and think it's over. These pollster twitters post so many of these polls constantly and they vary often. One day Biden is winning, one day Trump is winning. In 2021 and 2022 we had pollsters saying Republicans were going to sweep Congress in 2022 and they barely took the house and didn't even get the Senate. It's a year away, relax. Your confirmation bias polls may or may not come true, but are not good evidence of anything until polls are strongly consistently one way or the other. Also, I get why the current conflict is at the forefront of everyone's mind. But people act like the ONLY reason people are voting in 2024 is based on Biden's handling of this conflict because they are angry and fired up online. And like it or not most Americans are pro-Israel. Maybe not online which skews younger, but regardless of your opinion on the conflict Americans are pro-Israel and younger people tend to be the lower end of those that vote. Most Americans beyond nominal news information do not even keep up with most issues, let alone this. They just like feeling happy and comfortable. Israel/Hamas is not going to suddenly make most voters just flip or not vote. Especially most likely in a year from now. By then some new things will be at the front of everyone's minds most likely. And to be honest. Even if you despise Joe Biden (let's be real he's not great) and his handling of this entire conflict. Even if you think he is actively genocidal. When you do the math if you let Trump win you will not only have someone pro-israel still in power, you will likely be having a lot more problems than that. Go ahead, vote Trump or simply not vote and let Trump win. But no one is going to want to hear it from you when he wins and him and Republicans take away so many more rights and do so many more vile things than Biden/Democrats will do. I get why people are rightfully pissed with Biden and Democrats for a variety of reasons frequently discussed. But your actions are honestly going to only make things far worse for even more innocent people by acting this way honestly. Its okay to want better but still settle with the lessor 2 evils in the mean time until more can be done 8 2
woohoo Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 If Trump wins again it’s over for us. We will be forced to follow new laws based on the Bible, trump will become a dictator only to be replaced by one of his sons when he’s gone. I hope women like staying pregnant and making sandwiches, that’s what they’ll be reduced too. As for us gays, we’ll be lucky if they let us have any rights at all. Biden is not the best candidate at all, but I REFUSE to live under religious laws. And you need to google Project 2025, it’s absolutely sickening the plans the GOP has for this country. 6
LadyDiana Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Jaded. said: This is the ONLY reason I'm reluctantly voting again for Biden in 2024, nonetheless though imo Biden is a terrible president and people should feel free to speak freely if they agree. Elections should not be based on voting for the lesser of two evils and terrible candidates over and over again but here we are in America. I understand your frustration. It sucks. I guess no sane person wants to be a politician, cuz it's such a shitty thing to do. It's a sad thing that a great country like usa finds itself in a state it is right now. 1
bad guy Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 8 hours ago, HEAVYONIT said: As I said, the election is 1 year out. Don’t look too far into these numbers right now. Numbers or not, in a year from now Biden will probably be in worse condition. I went back to watch the 2020 debates and it’s actually crazy how much he’s declined mentally and physically in just four years. If he’s elected again there’s no doubt in my mind he’s dying before his term is done He should step aside like presidents past and let someone younger (not Kamala) takeover. 1 1
LadyDiana Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 7 hours ago, bad guy said: He should step aside like presidents past and let someone younger (not Kamala) takeover. This is it, everyone knows he should step aside and who should NOT take his place, but who would actually be a better ELECTABLE candidate, that no one knows.
Kimbra Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) Young people don't even vote for politicians that specifically pander to them (Bernie) who cares what they think. Edited October 23, 2023 by Kimbra 3
monologueNacafe Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 14 hours ago, LadyDiana said: I understand your frustration. It sucks. I guess no sane person wants to be a politician, cuz it's such a shitty thing to do. It's a sad thing that a great country like usa finds itself in a state it is right now. this country has never been great and its current state is nothing new 2
Pheromosa Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 Biden sucks BUT ANYTHING is better than a republican 1
Gottasadae Posted October 23, 2023 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, GhostBox said: Well they can have fun with trump then 😂 Exactly, many folks just don't get it, that 3d party vote - it's a clear path for another 4 years with trump madness As independent, I have many issues with Biden too but I will vote for him just to prevent trump's re-election Whatever choice you will made in 24, remember that all your rights at stake with great possibility to be wiped out. Edited October 23, 2023 by Gottasadae 4
Bosque Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 I guess it would help his approval ratings if Russia stopped engaging in their pointless war/genocide 1
LadyDiana Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 7 hours ago, monologueNacafe said: this country has never been great and its current state is nothing new Now now, let us not overreact. USA has it's moments, great ones. No country is perfect, there was always war, genocide or slavery at some point in history, at least for europe. No one is perfect, but we evolve
jadeabove Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 We need an alternative to that old fart, for sure.
Delirious Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 You guys are so annoying tho. If you're not gonna vote for Biden then who are you gonna vote for? No-one? Well trump is gonna win then lol. Have fun And yes, it is this black and white 4 1
woohoo Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 I can’t believe some people are that dense. It’s not voting for Biden, it’s voting for the literal future of our democracy to keep having elections. If Trump wins that’s it, there won’t be elections in 2028. It’s done. And if you think this is bad now, just wait. I’ll gladly deal with inflation and gas prices and two wars over the other option. 3
Communion Posted October 24, 2023 Author Posted October 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, woohoo said: I can’t believe some people are that dense. It’s not voting for Biden, it’s voting for the literal future of our democracy to keep having elections. If Trump wins that’s it, there won’t be elections in 2028. It’s done. And if you think this is bad now, just wait. I’ll gladly deal with inflation and gas prices and two wars over the other option. Some people reasonably don't see screams of "fight for the future of our democracy" as meaningful when Biden has committed himself to denying the Palestinian people their right to democracy.
If U Seek Amy Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, woohoo said: I can’t believe some people are that dense. It’s not voting for Biden, it’s voting for the literal future of our democracy to keep having elections. If Trump wins that’s it, there won’t be elections in 2028. It’s done. And if you think this is bad now, just wait. I’ll gladly deal with inflation and gas prices and two wars over the other option. Right. Come 2024 if Trump ends up beating Biden I will lose pity for any soul who sat home/voted for Trump and what may happen to them as they are knowingly complicit in what will come even if it is willful ignorance. You don't have to like Biden. But please do the bare minimum at least to make the best of a bad situation when we have no other choice please. And then after try to find ways to help further better the world if possible no matter how small how you see fit and fight for better options after. But let's not have bad things happen and just give up because we are upset. A vote for him is not an endorsement of him 5
woohoo Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Communion said: Some people reasonably don't see screams of "fight for the future of our democracy" as meaningful when Biden has committed himself to denying the Palestinian people their right to democracy. Then vote for trump 1
Communion Posted October 24, 2023 Author Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, woohoo said: Then vote for trump This simply doesn't work as a taunting technique, as seen by 2016, where Hillary Clinton lost solely due to the mass decision by tens of thousands of low-income black voters within the Rust Belt to simply stay home, because concerns over her hawkish record, poor enthusiasm, and anti-progressive record was met with taunts of "well who else do you have?". "You can't just NOT vote!" is a useless taunt in a reality where.... plenty of people don't lol. Another fate waiting for Biden that befell Hillary: It's not just voters - it's volunteers. Politically activated people are more likely to be ideologically invested in things like foreign policy like Biden's militarism over Palestine or broken policy promises like failed student debt relief. While this might not break the average voter, such failures completely demoralize the young activist, volunteer base who donate weeks of their life to get the average normie voter registered to vote, to their polling location on election day, etc.. Such young progressive grassroots organizations who donated months of their lives were how Biden was able to win states like Arizona and Georgia. Why would a bleeding heart progressive now donate their time, sweat and tears to Biden, the Butcher of Gaza? Edited October 24, 2023 by Communion 1
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