poll Invasion of Privacy vs Pink Friday; bigger era?

[Big Bad Wolf]

4 minutes ago, KOMH said:

Pink Friday bombed internationally. It only managed to amass a measly 3 certifications after 14 years and its chart positions & WOC outside the US are absolutely tragic for being a supposedly big album 

 

Certifications and sales for Pink Friday

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Australia (ARIA)[131]	Platinum	70,000^
United Kingdom (BPI)[132]	Platinum	282,000[89]
United States (RIAA)[133]	3× Platinum	3,000,000‡
^ Shipments figures based on certification alone. ‡ Sales+streaming figures based on certification alone.

 

Weekly charts for Pink Friday 

Chart (2010–2012)	Peak position
Australian Albums (ARIA)[107]	19
Australian Urban Albums (ARIA)[108]	5
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[109]	81
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)[110]	100
Canadian Albums (Billboard)[111]	8
French Albums (SNEP)[112]	116
Irish Albums (IRMA)[113]	17
South Korean Albums (Gaon)[114]	110
New Zealand Albums (RMNZ)[115]	15
Scottish Albums (OCC)[116]	22
Spanish Albums (PROMUSICAE)[117]	94
UK Albums (OCC)[118]	16
UK R&B Albums (OCC)[119]	4
US Billboard 200[120]	1
US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard)[121]	1

 

 

IOP is bigger in every way possible

Local. Not enough power.

[trainsskyscrapers]

Which one is still charting?   "Moment 4 Life" artistically surpasses anything from IOP by a country MILE, but IOP also charted every record, and Cardi got 2 #1s as a lead artist in her maiden run of 5 singles. Impressive. 

 

I'm also disappointed an album with Kanye, Eminem, Rihanna, Drake, Will.I.Am, AND Lil' Wayne is not really selling enough to chart right now because the artist who made it has become so unlikeable.

[Aethereal]

1 hour ago, KOMH said:

Pink Friday bombed internationally. It only managed to amass a measly 3 certifications after 14 years and its chart positions & WOC outside the US are absolutely tragic for being a supposedly big album 

 

Certifications and sales for Pink Friday

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Australia (ARIA)[131]	Platinum	70,000^
United Kingdom (BPI)[132]	Platinum	282,000[89]
United States (RIAA)[133]	3× Platinum	3,000,000‡
^ Shipments figures based on certification alone. ‡ Sales+streaming figures based on certification alone.

 

Weekly charts for Pink Friday 

Chart (2010–2012)	Peak position
Australian Albums (ARIA)[107]	19
Australian Urban Albums (ARIA)[108]	5
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[109]	81
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)[110]	100
Canadian Albums (Billboard)[111]	8
French Albums (SNEP)[112]	116
Irish Albums (IRMA)[113]	17
South Korean Albums (Gaon)[114]	110
New Zealand Albums (RMNZ)[115]	15
Scottish Albums (OCC)[116]	22
Spanish Albums (PROMUSICAE)[117]	94
UK Albums (OCC)[118]	16
UK R&B Albums (OCC)[119]	4
US Billboard 200[120]	1
US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard)[121]	1

 

 

IOP is bigger in every way possible

Female rap never made it out of America except for Lauren. Pink Friday sold 600-700K album pure sales and roughly 2M digital single sales (mostly from that pop song), that probably gives Nicki the edge. 

 

Considering the gap in US is not massive maybe international units might change the scenario. I voted for Cardi in the end though. 

 

Edited October 7, 2023 by Aristotle

[Stepfon]

38 minutes ago, KOMH said:

Pink Friday bombed internationally. It only managed to amass a measly 3 certifications after 14 years and its chart positions & WOC outside the US are absolutely tragic for being a supposedly big album 

 

Certifications and sales for Pink Friday

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Australia (ARIA)[131]	Platinum	70,000^
United Kingdom (BPI)[132]	Platinum	282,000[89]
United States (RIAA)[133]	3× Platinum	3,000,000‡
^ Shipments figures based on certification alone. ‡ Sales+streaming figures based on certification alone.

 

Weekly charts for Pink Friday 

Chart (2010–2012)	Peak position
Australian Albums (ARIA)[107]	19
Australian Urban Albums (ARIA)[108]	5
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[109]	81
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)[110]	100
Canadian Albums (Billboard)[111]	8
French Albums (SNEP)[112]	116
Irish Albums (IRMA)[113]	17
South Korean Albums (Gaon)[114]	110
New Zealand Albums (RMNZ)[115]	15
Scottish Albums (OCC)[116]	22
Spanish Albums (PROMUSICAE)[117]	94
UK Albums (OCC)[118]	16
UK R&B Albums (OCC)[119]	4
US Billboard 200[120]	1
US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard)[121]	1

 

 

IOP is bigger in every way possible

Now, wait.

 

I never bothered to look up the certifications of Pink Friday but, well, the receipts tell it all.

 

 

[Jacobdaniel]

those of you saying IOP...were you even alive during the PF era? 

[PinkLamborghini]

Pink Friday. Queen was EVERYWHERE! 

[GagaChina]

the grammy one won

[VioletsandRoses]

4 hours ago, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said:

ANTI isn’t Rihanna’s second biggest era in the U.S. 

Yes it is, it’ll also be her biggest album in about 2 years or so since it’s charting regularly unlike the other two. It’s at 5.5m units while Loud is around 4m max since it was carried 3x platinum in 2018 and doesn’t chart. Needed Me and Work are bigger than OG and S&M in the states and LOTB will be bigger than WMN if not already. KIB also did better than Man Down, California King Bed, Raining Men or Cheers. Plus the album tracks are bigger too. WW is another story though. 
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Pink Friday will definitely be at more than 5.8m units that IOP according to CM. It’s at 3m pure sales (2.1m in the US and 400k in the UK alone) plus great streaming and digital sales. It’s also outstreaming it on Spotify. 988k vs 1.03m and one is a streaming era album  

 

[Homebrand]

IoP stats are inflated because of streaming. PF would be obliterating those numbers if it was released in 2018. We're comparing apples and oranges here, I can't tell if there a lot of younger members or not because Nicki at her debut was much more culturally huge than Cardi at hers, and it ain't close  

[Mr. Mendes]

Pink Friday was undoubtably bigger and any argument otherwise is just a bit delusional. But IOP was better so not a total Cardi L. 

[needs]

Y'all just make threads like these to belittle Nicki and it's so corny.

Edited October 8, 2023 by needs

[Cryptique]

Invasion Of Privacy obviously

 

She had 3 No.1s that Era

 

SMASHES Bodak Yellow, I Like It and Girls Like You

[Cryptique]

8 hours ago, KOMH said:

Pink Friday bombed internationally. It only managed to amass a measly 3 certifications after 14 years and its chart positions & WOC outside the US are absolutely tragic for being a supposedly big album 

 

Certifications and sales for Pink Friday

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Australia (ARIA)[131]	Platinum	70,000^
United Kingdom (BPI)[132]	Platinum	282,000[89]
United States (RIAA)[133]	3× Platinum	3,000,000‡
^ Shipments figures based on certification alone. ‡ Sales+streaming figures based on certification alone.

 

Weekly charts for Pink Friday 

Chart (2010–2012)	Peak position
Australian Albums (ARIA)[107]	19
Australian Urban Albums (ARIA)[108]	5
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[109]	81
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)[110]	100
Canadian Albums (Billboard)[111]	8
French Albums (SNEP)[112]	116
Irish Albums (IRMA)[113]	17
South Korean Albums (Gaon)[114]	110
New Zealand Albums (RMNZ)[115]	15
Scottish Albums (OCC)[116]	22
Spanish Albums (PROMUSICAE)[117]	94
UK Albums (OCC)[118]	16
UK R&B Albums (OCC)[119]	4
US Billboard 200[120]	1
US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard)[121]	1

 

 

IOP is bigger in every way possible

not ARTPOP doing better globally than this I 

[Junipero]

10 hours ago, Anvarie said:

Pink Friday is bigger, more iconic, and memorable

 

Cardi is already forgotten low key 

I don't think Cardi is forgotten, but then again I never really cared much for her music.

I don't think she is forgotten because many Redditors bring her up when it comes to celebrity conversations how she is a "bad role model" or how she "ruined music."

The truth is though that only the target demographic is the one talking about her, so If someone dislikes her music, it is probably because they belong to the demographic of music consumers(aka the "it generation").

To be invited to the VMA's perhaps shows she still has some relevancy. I think the "fame" she has now has to due with her being scandalous and not the music(throwing microphones, the titanic submarine video reply, etc...)

[Prodigal Self]

9 hours ago, KOMH said:

Pink Friday bombed internationally. It only managed to amass a measly 3 certifications after 14 years and its chart positions & WOC outside the US are absolutely tragic for being a supposedly big album 

 

Certifications and sales for Pink Friday

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Australia (ARIA)[131]	Platinum	70,000^
United Kingdom (BPI)[132]	Platinum	282,000[89]
United States (RIAA)[133]	3× Platinum	3,000,000‡
^ Shipments figures based on certification alone. ‡ Sales+streaming figures based on certification alone.

 

Weekly charts for Pink Friday 

Chart (2010–2012)	Peak position
Australian Albums (ARIA)[107]	19
Australian Urban Albums (ARIA)[108]	5
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[109]	81
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)[110]	100
Canadian Albums (Billboard)[111]	8
French Albums (SNEP)[112]	116
Irish Albums (IRMA)[113]	17
South Korean Albums (Gaon)[114]	110
New Zealand Albums (RMNZ)[115]	15
Scottish Albums (OCC)[116]	22
Spanish Albums (PROMUSICAE)[117]	94
UK Albums (OCC)[118]	16
UK R&B Albums (OCC)[119]	4
US Billboard 200[120]	1
US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard)[121]	1

 

 

IOP is bigger in every way possible

[Blackout2006]

15 hours ago, abelfenty said:

By whom? The Barbz?

I'm not even a Barbz but it's just that I hear much more of the album in terms of its singles, performances, moments, and such stuff when I'm on social media which is a medium in which people discuss things

[Theshigo Washidu]

Pink Friday.

Nicki was everywhere getting back to back hits.

 

Bodak Yellow is the only popular song that came out of Cardi's first era.

[Theshigo Washidu]

7 hours ago, Homebrand said:

IoP stats are inflated because of streaming. PF would be obliterating those numbers if it was released in 2018. We're comparing apples and oranges here, I can't tell if there a lot of younger members or not because Nicki at her debut was much more culturally huge than Cardi at hers, and it ain't close  

Not only are some of these people young, they just hate Nicki therefore they'll vote against her even though she wins here.

[HEAVYONIT]

It’s very evident that many people commenting in here were not alive to experience the MOMENT Pink Friday was, even if IOP had higher numbers. It literally broke down the doors to a new generation of female rap being mainstream.

[thatsmydemi]

I'm confused. Why is everyone saying Nicki was everywhere as if Cardi wasn't everywhere also and getting even bigger hits?  

 

Pink Friday was really local compared to IOP. Like this is PF's biggest hit vs IOP's:

 

Nicki

Australia (ARIA)[109]	6× Platinum	420,000^
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[110]	Gold	45,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[111]	Gold	150,000‡
Japan (RIAJ)[112]	Gold	100,000*
New Zealand (RMNZ)[113]	Platinum	15,000*
Norway (IFPI Norway)[114]	2× Platinum	20,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[115]	2× Platinum	1,200,000‡
United States (RIAA)[8]	Diamond	10,000,000‡

 

 

 

Cardi

Argentina (CAPIF)[186]	Gold
Australia (ARIA)[187]	4× Platinum	280,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[188]	Platinum	30,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[189]	Gold	20,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[190]	Diamond	800,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[191]	Platinum	90,000‡
France (SNEP)[192]	Diamond	333,333‡
Germany (BVMI)[193]	Platinum	400,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[194]	2× Platinum	100,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[195]	Platinum	30,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[196]	Platinum	60,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[197]	3× Platinum	60,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[198]	2× Platinum	20,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[199]	2× Platinum	80,000‡
Switzerland (IFPI Switzerland)[200]	2× Platinum	40,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[201]	2× Platinum	1,200,000‡
United States (RIAA)[202]	11× Platinum	11,000,000‡

[HEAVYONIT]

11 minutes ago, thatsmydemi said:

I'm confused. Why is everyone saying Nicki was everywhere as if Cardi wasn't everywhere also and getting even bigger hits?  

 

Pink Friday was really local compared to IOP. Like this is PF's biggest hit vs IOP's:

 

Nicki

Australia (ARIA)[109]	6× Platinum	420,000^
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[110]	Gold	45,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[111]	Gold	150,000‡
Japan (RIAJ)[112]	Gold	100,000*
New Zealand (RMNZ)[113]	Platinum	15,000*
Norway (IFPI Norway)[114]	2× Platinum	20,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[115]	2× Platinum	1,200,000‡
United States (RIAA)[8]	Diamond	10,000,000‡

 

 

 

Cardi

Argentina (CAPIF)[186]	Gold
Australia (ARIA)[187]	4× Platinum	280,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[188]	Platinum	30,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[189]	Gold	20,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[190]	Diamond	800,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[191]	Platinum	90,000‡
France (SNEP)[192]	Diamond	333,333‡
Germany (BVMI)[193]	Platinum	400,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[194]	2× Platinum	100,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[195]	Platinum	30,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[196]	Platinum	60,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[197]	3× Platinum	60,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[198]	2× Platinum	20,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[199]	2× Platinum	80,000‡
Switzerland (IFPI Switzerland)[200]	2× Platinum	40,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[201]	2× Platinum	1,200,000‡
United States (RIAA)[202]	11× Platinum	11,000,000‡

PF walked so IOP could run, that’s the point…plus PF is extremely under-certified, alongside the rest of Nicki’s albums. By the time IOP dropped, female rap was already mainstream. When PF dropped it wasn’t, and it opened those doors. Not everything in these discussions is always numbers-based.

Edited October 8, 2023 by Black Jesus

[HEAVYONIT]

8 hours ago, Homebrand said:

IoP stats are inflated because of streaming. PF would be obliterating those numbers if it was released in 2018. 

This is an extremely huge point people are conveniently leaving out of this discussion to fit their narrative; how the streaming era has inflated RIAA certifications like never before, and if you’re just gonna use RIAA-certifications as your main argument, you have to acknowledge that as well.

[Maroonx]

IOP was bigger, but Nicki's career is everlasting, unlike Cardi's atm x

[Blaziken]

18 hours ago, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said:

IOP.
 

• Bigger Singles

 

• Bigger Album Units

 

• Bigger Streams

 

• More Acclaimed

 

• More Awards Won, including a GRAMMY. 

 

That’s a mere fact and you’re lying if you say otherwise. 
 

That said…

 

”Super Bass” is arguably more famous than any IOP single but it had an 8 year head start. 
 

 

It’s been 5 years and none of the IOP singles are getting the recurrent streams or sale of Super Bass

 

Didn’t BY come out during the streaming eta but is getting out streamed by pre streaming single, Super Bass

[DamianSolo]

Culturally, as I never really concern myself with numbers, I'll say Pink Friday. That era was truly a special moment in pop culture, being as impactful and memorable as it was. So many of the singles she was releasing were just all great songs that I remember getting a significant amount of play on the radio. It was an exciting time, with Nicki having a very prominent placement in pop culture.