base talk How much bigger would Beyonce be had she never stopped chasing the charts?

[I54X]

1 minute ago, makeme said:

A better questions would be Rihanna. Imagine if she kept doing hard post Unapologetic 

Rihanna is just larger than life. I am always amazed by how big she actually is. 

[AxelFox]

27 minutes ago, Funnyfatty said:

Her whole discography other than her newest album is doing 3.4 m only. That is the same numbers Rihanna does with her top 3 songs WFL, Umbrella and TIWYCF 

Where did you get this infromation from? Really curious

[BnPac]

1 minute ago, byzantium said:

Saying that self titled was a successful rebranding that made her a bigger star is hateful nonsense?   Y’all are toxic even to the people that like Beyoncé.  

That’s not what was the point of my post and you know it. And Toxic? Lol. You would know. And are you still pretending to like Beyoncé ?  People can see who likes awful hateful posts, you know? Ch... 

 

My point still stands 0 correlation. Beyoncé is a huge touring act because she’s recognised as an incredible live artist and by some as the best. Not because she stopped pushing sales. 

[BnPac]

6 minutes ago, I54X said:

Both Savage and Perfect and yes, she jumped on both. 

Savage was not even top 10 before the remix. You don’t even what you’re talking about. 
It jumped straight to top 5 because of that remix. And she didn’t jump on any remix, those artists asked her. 

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

Lemonade would be an even bigger era if she released it on all streaming, like, she could've occupied the top 3 on H100 with Formation, Hold Up, and Sorry like Ariana did with the TU,N era. Damn

[byzantium]

7 minutes ago, BnPac said:

That’s not what was the point of my post and you know it. And Toxic? Lol. You would know. And are you still pretending to like Beyoncé ?  People can see who likes awful hateful posts, you know? Ch... 

 

My point still stands 0 correlation. Beyoncé is a huge touring act because she’s recognised as an incredible live artist and by some as the best. Not because she stopped pushing sales. 

Again this toxic hateful nonsense.  I guess someone cannot genuinely enjoy Beyonce's music.  We are all just pretending according to you. 

You act like touring data is not public information.  Go look at the I Am tour.  It is clear that her trajectory as a performing artist was really helped by her resurgence with Self Titled. 

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by byzantium

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, Mr. Blue_Shirt said:

Lemonade would be an even bigger era if she released it on all streaming, like, she could've occupied the top 3 on H100 with Formation, Hold Up, and Sorry like Ariana did with the TU,N era. Damn

Do you really believe this? Lemonade first week streams were already extremely inflated by Tidal fraud.

[BnPac]

Just now, byzantium said:

Again this toxic hateful nonsense.  I guess someone cannot genuinely enjoy Beyonce's music.  Everyone is just pretending I guess. 

You act like touring data is not public information.  Go look at the I Am tour.  It is clear that her trajectory as a performing artist was really helped by her resurgence with Self Titled. 

 

There was nothing hateful in my post. You always try with this pathetic number.
 

IAWT had good numbers. What’s your point? And MCSWT was announced without a new album, sold out without a new album before ST was even released and went to gross 229 M. So once again, 0 correlation. 

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

....anyway people died that day like WOAH

 

 

[Jonver]

well.. she's not in the charts since 2009

[Solgayleo]

1 hour ago, Ja_making said:

Beyoncé has remained culturally relevant and become the icon she is BECAUSE she stopped chasing charts. If she continued making radio-friendly, bubblegum hits like Single Ladies and IASF, she would be irrelevant.

 

There’s a reason why she has outlasted most of her peers. Cultural currency matters more than anything. 

This exactly

[byzantium]

2 minutes ago, BnPac said:

There was nothing hateful in my post. You always try with this pathetic number.
 

IAWT had good numbers. What’s your point? And MCSWT was announced without a new album, sold out without a new album before ST was even released and went to gross 229 M. So once again, 0 correlation. 

There was nothing hateful in my original post, but that did not stop you from saying that.  I figured it is just how you communicate.  

You are right.  It had good numbers.  Then after ST and Lemonade, she has had great numbers.  There is nothing wrong with that.  

[Homebrand]

Some of the replies in this thread

 

ST and Lemonade were full fledged eras with multiple high profile (and fantastic) performances. Every song getting a video is promo (or marketing), do y’all not understand that?

 

As a couple users have mentioned, Beyonce is well surpassed radio candy  singles at this point in her career. She is also one of the most established artists of all time, do y’all really expect her to be doing traditional promo like she was in previous eras???

 

However, let’s not forget Bey also jumped on the remixes for Savage and Perfect which were obviously big songs before she jumped on them. BMS had its radio deal.  She never stopped chasing the charts this entire time.

[Trent W]

I honestly think she wouldn’t be a legend if she promoted and made music for the charts

 

Part of her charm is her mysterious side and quality music

 

Her image changed dramatically in 2013 but is one of the main reasons she is a legend now

[BnPac]

3 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Then after ST and Lemonade, she has had great numbers.  There is nothing wrong with that.  

MSCWT started and mostly happened before ST (as already explained) : 229 M

FWT happened after ST and LM : 256 M.

 

I strongly disagree and see 0 correlation but let's stop there.

[queenoftheclouds]

2 hours ago, Ja_making said:

Beyoncé has remained culturally relevant and become the icon she is BECAUSE she stopped chasing charts. If she continued making radio-friendly, bubblegum hits like Single Ladies and IASF, she would be irrelevant.

 

There’s a reason why she has outlasted most of her peers. Cultural currency matters more than anything. 

That's true. Most R&B girls from the 00s are almost gone now

[Baby Boy]

1 hour ago, Kingdom said:

Beloved cuff it is about to cross 700 million streams. 

And what’s your point?

[swissman]

32 minutes ago, I54X said:

Both Savage and Perfect and yes, she jumped on both. 

At the time of Savage (Remix)'s release, the song still hadn't outpeaked APESHIT, Sorry, or Hold Up, none of which are considered big hits by most people. If we assume the idea for the remix came three weeks before it was released, the song would've just officially entered the Top 20. It was also a charity single, and brand-wise made complete sense for both of them. Using this as some example of Beyoncé "chasing hits" is ridiculous, especially considering aside from recording/releasing it, she did absolutely nothing further to ensure its success.

 

Similarly, Perfect was recorded months before it was even named a single. Being asked to record a remix to a non-single is not "jumping on a hit". Not to mention, the timing of the remix was all Ed Sheeran, not Beyoncé.

[perpetual novice]

I think the opposite of what this thread implies is true, if Bey continued down the trend chasing path of Sasha Fierce for multiple records she wouldn't have sustained the cultural relevancy she still holds today. I always find it puzzling when Bey's success is questioned on this website because the longevity she has enjoyed is extremely rare and NONE of the artists she is constantly paired up against on here have experienced it themselves. Bey has been a successful entertainer since Michael Jackson was still releasing hit records. She has been around for a lifetime in this industry and is still a main figure in today's entertainment even for younger audiences. That is insane and you can't really improve upon that commercial performance because it's literally every artists dream scenario already.

 

Squabbling over chart peaks, first week numbers and features on other people's singles when talking about BEYONCE is crazy.

[Into The Void]

1 hour ago, BnPac said:

Like the correlation is 0. 
They just camp in all B’s threads uttering hateful nonsense.

The OBH and their made up stats of what would happen 

[byzantium]

12 minutes ago, BnPac said:

MSCWT started and mostly happened before ST (as already explained) : 229 M

FWT happened after ST and LM : 256 M.

 

I strongly disagree and see 0 correlation but let's stop there.

MSCWT had 130 shows and a number that were not sold out.  FWT had less than 50 shows and sold out instantly.   There was a considerable difference in the level of demand.  I feel like you are being dense as the swifties who only see things in terms of stats

[dumbsparce]

She'd have better Hot 100 peaks but the overall picture would be the same. Her "elusiveness" worked in her favor.

[Otter]

1 hour ago, byzantium said:

Well most of her songs post 4 have had music videos.  I’m not sure what you are trying to say.  
 

That music videos aren't going to reduce the tour attendance in response to your post

 

And to the OP in regards to MVs, following the the peak of YouTube, Lemonade singles didn't have videos released in a timely manner. Formation was unlisted until some years later, Hold Up peaked around the world in May but didn't have it's video uploaded til August. Sorry became a US only single and had a video released some weeks after the album but it had no Spotify etc until 2019...

 

 

Essentially there's a lot of self sabotage and it doesn't really swing both ways. I think the only thing to consider is that Lemonade wouldn't have had as much physical sales if the album was on Spotify etc but she could of easily of just released the singles to those platform & had her cake and eat it 

 

 

 

 

 

[liquiddiamonds]

41 minutes ago, BnPac said:

Lemonade sold around 3.2 M pure units and most of it was sold during the first year (2.6M around).
So after one year, keeping the album off streaming had the contrary effect actually. And not having the singles available was just terrible since singles’ success was so streaming-oriented. And singles’ success or at least awareness drive album’s sales. 

She banked way more money by having the project only available as a purchase than if she had sent the songs to streaming. I think the streams would have eaten the pure sales, and that was the reasoning behind 25 and 1989 also being kept off around the same era. They wanted to maximize sales. These artists knew they could afford the strategy and sell albums instead before the industry fully transitioned to streaming. I agree that she could’ve added Lemonade a year or something later to streaming giants. Although I don’t think it would have made much more difference in the end since songs from the album ended up as well known as some of her more successful singles (Sorry, Formation). 

 

47 minutes ago, BnPac said:

the streams would have been huge and people would have bought the album anyway, because it also came with the whole movie.

I disagree. There’s no need to buy anything if it’s on Spotify/AM unless you are a hive. That’s not the reasoning behind most casual listeners. At some point the movie would have been available too. 

 

50 minutes ago, BnPac said:

Other than that, the idea is not for her albums and music direction to be different. EDM would have limited her. But with the albums she released and the moves she pulled, being half as agressive or promotion oriented as before 4 would have given her at least twice as much album sales as she did after 4. However she shifted her focus, it’s ok.

I think the only time Bey showed that she didn’t cater fully to charts was by not hoping on the EDM train. It cost her a chunk of her European audience that only recently fully rekindled with her new music. Other times I think Bey did the right amount of promo for the project. She clearly wanted to focus on her showmanship, her family and her newfound creative vision for her music. We can tell the interview and promo circuit Matthew used to put her in since DC’s drained the **** out of her and she didn’t enjoy it that much. She pretty much knew social media and sharable content would have a bigger pull regarding her music than performing at BETs, VMAs, etc That promo format died around 4. She was right on the money on sticking with hype and banger songs with killer visuals to do most of the heavy lift. 

[BnPac]

Ch... I lived the MCSWT, stadiums were begging her to perform in their venues. The demand was through the roof. One is a full stadium tour and the other is an arena's tour. Of course it will have more shows. Dense? OK, then.

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by BnPac