base talk How much bigger would Beyonce be had she never stopped chasing the charts?

[magazine]

be for real

 

[wantedyoutogrow]

some of the responses... like y'all are genuinely mentally deranged i'm so sorry but I have to tell y'all that

 

OT: she'd maybe have better stats but she'll still be as big as she is

Edited October 1, 2023 by wantedyoutogrow

[byzantium]

30 minutes ago, Otter said:

You think having music videos, more singles and a few live performances online would decrease the tour revenue by 30-40% 

Well most of her songs post 4 have had music videos.  I’m not sure what you are trying to say.  
 

[Kingdom]

1 hour ago, Kuntmonster said:

She does chase the charts. Just because she doesn’t do traditional TV performance promo etc doesn’t mean she doesn’t promote the album - she has released 4 singles, remixes with hot rappers like Kendrick Lemar, has promoted it with a worldwide tour, has promoted it on social media, BMS was very radio fuelled, and so on.
 

I don’t mean to be rude but the quality just isn’t there for it to have done any better than it has  

Releasing the gift, an afrobeat album and a movie dedicated to it is not chasing the charts. Not putting lemonade on spotify for 3 years isn't chasing the chart. Barely giving performances isn't chasing the charts.

 

let us not speak on quality when taylor has songs about cats purring on her lap. A grown 33 year old woman who makes music for barney and friends. Be serious

[Solaria]

46 minutes ago, Axelios said:

She has a decently big fanbase in the US which still allow her to have good peaks in the US especially with remixes.

BMS had horrible callouts so it collapsed on radio after album release. Neither BMS nor Cuff It had good streaming longevity.

But why does it matter if it doesnt have good streaming longevity if it reached it peak position five months after its release? It was a hit regardless

[Kingdom]

56 minutes ago, Ja_making said:

Beyoncé has remained culturally relevant and become the icon she is BECAUSE she stopped chasing charts. If she continued making radio-friendly, bubblegum hits like Single Ladies and IASF, she would be irrelevant.

 

There’s a reason why she has outlasted most of her peers. Cultural currency matters more than anything. 

Very good point. Katy perry was chasing the chart and look at where she is now.

[Kingdom]

54 minutes ago, Baby Boy said:

She didn’t stop chasing them on purpose. Radio dropped her with 4 so she changed gears and focused on albums & touring. Worked well for her. She still does from time to time. BMS obviously had a huge radio deal. & every track from Lemonade was sent to radio simultaneously. 

Beloved cuff it is about to cross 700 million streams. 

[Funnyfatty]

3 minutes ago, Kingdom said:

Very good point. Katy perry was chasing the chart and look at where she is now.

She stopped chasing the charts and became a clown thats why she sold her discography now. Beyonce is still doing promo but that 50 year old woman isn’t going to run from one award show to another to make a #40 peaking song go #21 lol she knows tv promo isn’t going to help so she acts like she is above it. 
 

 

[Prodigal Self]

59 minutes ago, Ja_making said:

Beyoncé has remained culturally relevant and become the icon she is BECAUSE she stopped chasing charts. If she continued making radio-friendly, bubblegum hits like Single Ladies and IASF, she would be irrelevant.

 

There’s a reason why she has outlasted most of her peers. Cultural currency matters more than anything. 

She took em white people money she made with IASF and made Black art celebrating Black culture and we stan her for that But leave it to y'all discussing her spotify streams for the 423823908th time

[Kingdom]

1 minute ago, Funnyfatty said:

She stopped chasing the charts and became a clown thats why she sold her discography now. Beyonce is still doing promo but that 50 year old woman isn’t going to run from one award show to another to make a #40 peaking song go #21 lol she knows tv promo isn’t going to help so she acts like she is above it. 
 

 

so she acts like? you sound like you know her and you had pillow talk with her. Its getting weird 

[Funnyfatty]

1 hour ago, Ja_making said:

Beyoncé has remained culturally relevant and become the icon she is BECAUSE she stopped chasing charts. If she continued making radio-friendly, bubblegum hits like Single Ladies and IASF, she would be irrelevant.

 

There’s a reason why she has outlasted most of her peers. Cultural currency matters more than anything. 

Her whole discography other than her newest album is doing 3.4 m only. That is the same numbers Rihanna does with her top 3 songs WFL, Umbrella and TIWYCF  beyonce is touring too while Rihanna hasn’t released an album oyt for 8 years. 

[Funnyfatty]

1 minute ago, Kingdom said:

so she acts like? you sound like you know her and you had pillow talk with her. Its getting weird 

Yes i know her we just ate some pad thai together with some wine. Any other question fatty? 

[Axelios]

10 minutes ago, Love Again said:

But why does it matter if it doesnt have good streaming longevity if it reached it peak position five months after its release? It was a hit regardless

Yes? The question isn't whether it was a hit or not but whether it lacked promo.

[Hurem]

I think that she wouldn’t be half as big had she not rebranded herself back in 2013 with ST. She’d probably have better chart stats, but she wouldn’t go past being a successful pop star. After ST, Lemonade and Renaissance, she has become a full blown icon.

[Solaria]

2 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Yes? The question isn't whether it was a hit or not but whether it lacked promo.

It did lack promo though… it was an organic hit through TikTok

[Axelios]

3 minutes ago, Love Again said:

It did lack promo though… it was an organic hit through TikTok

It had good airplay excellent playlisting and remixes  

Edited October 1, 2023 by Axelios

[Solaria]

1 minute ago, Axelios said:

It had good airplay and  excellent playlisting  

Receipts?

[I54X]

I mean, she jumped not in one but two song that were on track to go #1 without the need of a Remix. I would say she does chase the charts but to each their own. 

 

I love her though and to me she does deserve to be more regarded as a vocalist.

[Kingdom]

5 minutes ago, Hurem said:

I think that she wouldn’t be half as big had she not rebranded herself back in 2013 with ST. She’d probably have better chart stats, but she wouldn’t go past being a successful pop star. After ST, Lemonade and Renaissance, she has become a full blown icon.

you are of the few people with working brain cells on this site. Love reading your comments

[Hurem]

6 minutes ago, Kingdom said:

you are of the few people with working brain cells on this site. Love reading your comments

 

[BnPac]

44 minutes ago, liquiddiamonds said:

I don’t think so and I love LOVE Bey. Having Lemonade off of Spotify boosted its pure sales, so we would have an exchange in the numbers and not an extra if it were there since its first week (same goes for other albums that were temporarily unavailable there). ST had a surprise release at a at the time weird day, but it was very in tune with trends in R&B and Hip Hop and it was a massive moment for her. Can’t think of a moment Bey felt bigger as a name, unless you’re european. 
 

I think Bey only skipped the dance music trend because that’s not what she is. That EDM craze had little to do with dance music as originated by black people (which she showcased in Rena), and she stuck with what she’s good at and passionate about and it payed off long term, because urban music came stronger than ever once EDM died down. She skipped a trend, but she was very in tune with what was popping in black circles. She just waited for white america to catch up, instead of doing dance music and get discarded by them

I don’t agree. 
Lemonade sold around 3.2 M pure units and most of it was sold during the first year (2.6M around).
So after one year, keeping the album off streaming had the contrary effect actually. And not having the singles available was just terrible since singles’ success was so streaming-oriented. And singles’ success or at least awareness drive album’s sales. 
 

It was just not a good move. 
 

Also LEM was a huge moment, the streams would have been huge and people would have bought the album anyway, because it also came with the whole movie.

 

Other than that, the idea is not for her albums and music direction to be different. EDM would have limited her. But with the albums she released and the moves she pulled, being half as agressive or promotion oriented as before 4 would have given her at least twice as much album sales as she did after 4. However she shifted her focus, it’s ok.

 

But people acting like this Beyoncé is IASF or 4´s Beyoncé in terms of pushing singles or promotion with dumb excuses like « oh her songs were on playlists... But Tidal ...remixes »is ******ed and so disingenuous. That’s Atrl for you though.

[byzantium]

1 hour ago, BnPac said:

Like the correlation is 0. 
They just camp in all B’s threads uttering hateful nonsense.

Saying that self titled was a successful rebranding that made her a bigger star is hateful nonsense?   Y’all are toxic even to the people that like Beyoncé.  

Edited October 1, 2023 by byzantium

[BnPac]

12 minutes ago, I54X said:

I mean, she jumped not in one but two song that were on track to go #1 without the need of a Remix.

Which songs are these? 
 

Ed asked her to be on Perfect. She didn’t jump on it. She didn’t ask him t be on it. 
The other song is? 

[I54X]

1 minute ago, BnPac said:

Which songs are these? 
 

Ed asked her to be on Perfect. She didn’t jump on it. She didn’t ask him t be on it. 
The other song is? 

Both Savage and Perfect and yes, she jumped on both. 

[makeme]

A better questions would be Rihanna. Imagine if she kept doing hard post Unapologetic