base talk Renaissance only 3 million daily streams, what happened??

[Zoe_]

Bey has had to fight off so many doubters simply because of fan obsession and hate. 

 

-Back in 2003, some were saying that she's no Ashanti.

-In 2006, many were saying she can't compete with Christina.

-In 2008/09, many were saying she can't compete with Gaga.

-In 2011, many were saying she can't compete with Rihanna or Adele.

-In 2013/14, many were saying she can't compete with Katy.

-In 2016/17, many were saying that she can't compete with Rihanna again.

-In her side project, flop eras, they said she was done.

-Now, in 2022/23, there are SOME Taylor stans questioning Bey's accomplishments and saying that she doesn't compare.

 

Even though Bey is doing extremely well on tour abd her album was a success, she has more haters than ever nowadays.

Edited September 27, 2023 by Zoe_

[vale9001]

18 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

lie again, Elton1234

girl renassaince was released just 14 months ago, not 18 years ago  and she's touring in these days for the album.

 

Being just the 56th most streamed album yesterday and under like Lana del Rey Ultraviolence 2014 album is good for an album without any smash hit, it's not "good for everyone". If Sza last album right now would be out of the top 50 of the most streamed daily album would mean it crashed hard after initial success and some very big hits (something reinassance doesn't have) 

Edited September 27, 2023 by vale9001

[swissman]

I was at the RWT and someone told me RENAISSANCE was her least favourite Beyoncé album. And this was in the VIP, not a cheap ticket that any ole fair-weather fan would purchase. People need to realize that though you think the album SHOULD be getting a certain amount of streaming numbers, it's not everyone's cup of tea. It's highly specific in its references to Black queer music, and a lot of people don't get it, don't vibe with that, or just want her basic, commercial, inoffensive stuff like Halo or Me, Myself and I. Not only that, but she's never once meaningfully promoted it, and I think people underestimate the power of a music video in selling people a concept, an idea, even a song.

 

Comparing her, therefore, to Harry's House (like the OP did) is pretty wild. Not only is he a newer artist (his debut album come out the same year Beyoncé was announced to make history headlining Coachella) but his album is far more placid and digestible for the masses than RENAISSANCE, not to mention the difference in promo, the bigger hit he had, the demographic he appeals to, etc. etc. etc.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by swissman

[WildHeart]

19 minutes ago, lonnie said:

They're not making as much threads/posts for Swift's white peers as they do Black artists. One has to wonder why, or is it only stans of Black artists that apparently target Taylor?

 

And I'm sure there's 10s of threads weekly where other fanbases attack Taylor as well, but I don't see the swifties as hung up about those as they are here. You can literally tell it in one of those threads too where every fanbase is saying something about Taylor and the swifties focus on fanbases of Black artists. And saying that doesn't make you "cool", certainly not on this site lol 

 

 

There are tens of more so really no need to re-write the history and make it seem like swifties only attack black artists () when everyone still remember the swifties' stan wars with Adele and Ariana fans that lasted for months and months... 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[Kimbra]

13 minutes ago, MingYouToo said:

While I agree some Swifties here do have a hate boner for Beyoncé and vice versa but its so disingenuous to watch Hive (and some Navy) here use racism as a defense card for when Swifties go after them esp with numbers.

 

Rihanna and Beyoncé are the closest peers to Taylor in todays day and age and they happen to be PoCs like-? Stop using racism as a crutch when your backlash threads against Taylor blow up in yalls faces.

 

 

You're full of it like we haven't clearly seen the anti-black misogynistic language you and you ilk use against black female artists. Even the sing-songwriter types like SZA. In any thread on here celebrating the accomplishments of any mainstream black female artists Swifties come marching in. Non of the black women occupy the same space musically as Taylor but somehow they bother y'all to the highest degree. I don't even listen to Bey, Rih or SZA but I'm a black man and I'll call out misogyny against black women.

[lonnie]

2 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

 

There are tens of more so really no need to re-write the history and make it seem like swifties only attack black artists () when everyone still remember the swifties' stan wars with Adele and Ariana fans that lasted for months and months... 

Girl linking threads from 2022  The most recent one being from three months ago like

And I haven't said they only attack Black artists. Read again.

 

Just now, Kimbra said:

You're full of it like we haven't clearly seen the anti-black misogynistic language you and you ilk use against black female artists. Even the sing-songwriter types like SZA. In any thread on here celebrating the accomplishments of any mainstream black female artists Swifties come marching in. Non of the black women occupy the same space musically as Taylor but somehow they bother y'all to the highest degree. I don't even listen to Bey, Rih or SZA but I'm a black man and I'll call out misogyny against black women.

Like that thread where SZA had surpassed some Rihanna achievement not so long ago and it was FILLED with swifties on there trying to discredit SZA. You'd think it would have been the navy and SZA stans going at it in there but the swifties were attacking SZA too, so do the SZA stans attack Taylor too? But of course we're all making this up

[Namie-Knowles]

Y'all remember the Beyonce stupid and illiterate drags back in the day or even worse on old ass ATRL where everyone was calling Black artist monkeys or worse. 

 

LMAO, this website history is crazy. Its even more crazy when you see the users who used to engage in that behavior LIKE posts talking about "Stop talking about racism" knowing 10 years ago they were getting sturdy with racism openly. Trying to act cute and silent now though. 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Namie-Knowles

[suburbannature]

As a legitimate Bey fan, it is frustrating sometimes to see people just wanting to be seen as Hive or publicly praising “Queen Bey” because it’s cool to do so. They’re sometimes even attending shows, but they’re not streaming the music. It’s all for clout. 

[WildHeart]

1 minute ago, lonnie said:

Girl linking threads from 2022  The most recent one being from three months ago like

Can you link anti-Rihanna threads by swifties from the last few months? Please and thank you. 

 

I will start and help with one

 

Oh wait-

[lonnie]

2 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Can you link anti-Rihanna threads by swifties from the last few months? Please and thank you. 

 

I will start and help with one

 

Oh wait-

You're 100% right. Swifties are victims and attack no Black artists and I am making all this up. You sure showed me with this thread you've linked.

[ScorpiosGroove]

49 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Considering how much time Cuff It was camping in TTH looks like it's someone else getting the free streams 

taylor stans of all people talking about songs camping in TTH   when i say least self aware people ever…

[WildHeart]

12 minutes ago, lonnie said:

You're 100% right. Swifties are victims and attack no Black artists and I am making all this up. You sure showed me with this thread you've linked.

Nah, Swifties are not victims and they fight with any other fanbase regardless of their fave's race, white or black. 

 

Adele fans were literally asking in multiple +10 page threads about why swifties were pressed at Adele after countless back and fourth threads between swifties and them. So were other fanbases with white faves. 

 

So claiming that swifties specially target black artists is just in bad faith and you are indeed making this up. 

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[BnPac]

10 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

As a legitimate Bey fan, it is frustrating sometimes to see people just wanting to be seen as Hive or publicly praising “Queen Bey” because it’s cool to do so. They’re sometimes even attending shows, but they’re not streaming the music. It’s all for clout. 

Hmmm no one is wasting between 500€-1000€ to watch Beyoncé perform out of clout. They're either big stans, rich people who can pay for enjoyment or people who want to see THE Beyoncé live. Pretty much like all big artists. 

Moreover, her whole catalog certainly pulls more individual listeners than her whole tour had. 

 

And to think something almost free not being done is a proof of clout chasing as opposed to something being paid for doesn't seem logical to me. 

 

Lastly, 3M more than a year later is good. I don't understand why some want to pretend it isn't. 

[Blue Rose]

30 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

Being just the 56th most streamed album yesterday

Good for RENAISSANCE. This is actually amazing to any sane person 

[Yuanyu]

1 hour ago, Bears01 said:

Eminem’s album came out 2 years before and has over 30 songs, it damn well better have more streams 

 

OT: @Axelios your sick and weird obsession continues. These numbers seem to be fine all things considered 

I actually think it's pretty unlikely, but come on you're comparing Renaissance to an unpromoted album by an 50 year old artist without a live performance

[Blue Rose]

46 minutes ago, MingYouToo said:

its so disingenuous to watch Hive (and some Navy) here use racism as a defense card

This is a problem that can be easily fixed. Swifties just need to stop being racist and throwing micro aggressions. Like just few posts before yours swifties were laughing at the mere mention of an education. This is only a thing because they saw users with Beyoncé avatars so they immediately throw in their uneducated drags.
Also when a swiftie is being racist, you guys need to call them out instead of coming for everyone that rebukes said racists. 
There are only 3 fanbases that have been labeled as racist by literally everyone on atrl. You guys need to remember that it’s not only the Beyhive that sees your racist posts, everyone does. So you can’t deny that Swifties don’t have a racial bias.

[Anti-Hero]

All the impact is just smoke. No one wants to listen to an album with no personal touch, to an album with 100000 writers. 

[swissman]

48 minutes ago, on the line said:

The music just was very niche and all my white friends who usually go lady gaga over Beyonce didn't mention RennFest once online or IRL. This album just didn't connect with the GP.

 

I did LOVE "Summer Renaissance" (probably bc it uses borrowed, familiar beats) for a couple weeks but it burned out quickly unlike the actual Renaissance that inspired a movement.

Is this sample shade on perhaps the best use of a sample from the entire decade so far?

 

The "borrowed, familiar beat" is literally only in the first seven seconds, after which the beat is interpolated and made new (RENAISSANCE=rebirth). The song expertly outlines the point of the album which was to bring back old, sometimes highly specific and under-appreciated references and re-energize them, make them new again, and point to the forward-and-backward focus she presents in the album: looking at the past as a source of inspiration and claim on culture, while providing a new path forward. The bridge between Donna's Chorus and Beyoncé's is also another example of that, seamlessly going from one melody to another, like a quotation of reference, not an attempt to just give an easy "familiar" moment for public appeal.

[Anti-Hero]

6 hours ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

22B streams on Spotify is hardly extremely poor which more than any female from her generation and more than some girls who came after her 

& Spotify is not the only place where ppl consume music 

Spotify is more reliable than Tidal

[Brooklyn Baby]

1 minute ago, Anti-Hero said:

All the impact is just smoke. No one wants to listen to an album with no personal touch, to an album with 100000 writers. 

Come up with something else babe this drag is getting stale

[swissman]

5 minutes ago, Anti-Hero said:

All the impact is just smoke. No one wants to listen to an album with no personal touch, to an album with 100000 writers. 

what a hilarious take... no personal touch?

 

setting aside the fact that it's impossible to create an album so cohesive and so continuously seamless and conceptually sound if you simply got tracks from 100000 different writers and put them together without a creative visionary at the helm who is literally working on each and every song from writing to instrumental to vocal production, which of those 100000 is the neice of Uncle Johnny?

 

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by swissman

[fememeist]

This is why Bey threads with Taylor stans always gets the most interactions because it’s the same cycle of micro aggressions. It will never stop until bans take effect. 

[Anti-Hero]

Just now, swissman said:

what a hilarious take... no personal touch?

 

setting aside the fact that it's impossible to create an album so cohesive and so continuously seamless and conceptually sound if you simply got tracks from 100000 different writers and put them together without a creative visionary at the helm who is literally working on each and every song from writing to instrumental to vocal production, which of those 100000 is the nice of Uncle Johnny?

How can it be so personal when it was written by dozen writers? Make it make sense

[Anti-Hero]

5 hours ago, Love Again said:

@Axelios why are you even on this website if Taylor is the only artist you ever speak positively about? You talk SO much **** about every single female artist and call them beneath Taylor, not worthy, flops, don't have the same reach, are not relevant. You are literally never positive about anybody other than Taylor. 

 

 

not @Love Again acting like you are not dragging taylor every single day 

[OrgVisual]

Beyonce's music has been about "arts not the charts" for a long time. It's not the kind of music that you would hear in a mall, or coffee shops, or train station (which plays a big part in Spotify's streams). But she delivered 3 back-to-back classics that will stay in music history

 

Even the most impactful album of all time (Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On") wasn't very successful commercially, but it has proven its legacy after 50 years

Edited September 27, 2023 by Sept